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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #330 on: Fri 28 Jun 2019 00:22 »
I’m basing it on the VAR application of law so far this tournament.

If everyone else gets utterly unwarranted penalties - I want them to be given tonight as well

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I think most penalties given for handball at this World Cup would be considered 'correct' by the lawmakers - for the reasons pointed out, I would also say the officials were correct not to give a penalty in this case.

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #331 on: Fri 28 Jun 2019 00:36 »
Another ridiculous handball decision in Netherlands-Japan - it's going to kill the game if you can blast the ball against a player a yard away and get a penalty

Which has been shown to be totally and utterly inconsistent in decision making just now in the first quarter final.

But because it was a situation with an England player handling the ball as above - nary a peep as the VAR makes sure the bigger nation is “looked after” by “switching it off and on again”

Nonsense !

" .... it is not usually an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm:

       directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot)"

Why did that not apply in the Champions League final?

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #332 on: Fri 28 Jun 2019 09:49 »
Another ridiculous handball decision in Netherlands-Japan - it's going to kill the game if you can blast the ball against a player a yard away and get a penalty

Which has been shown to be totally and utterly inconsistent in decision making just now in the first quarter final.

But because it was a situation with an England player handling the ball as above - nary a peep as the VAR makes sure the bigger nation is “looked after” by “switching it off and on again”

Nonsense !

" .... it is not usually an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm:

       directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot)"

Why did that not apply in the Champions League final?

Wasn't the Champions League Final "last year's" Laws ?

(Not that I can remember anything about that match,)

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #333 on: Fri 28 Jun 2019 11:31 »
Telegraph reports that the referee's performance on Sunday was officially regarded as 'good' - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-cup/2019/06/24/referee-england-game-twice-overruled-var-advice-prevent-cameroon/

Ridiculous if true!

She will probably be awarded the Final such is the bizarre nature of International Assessments and Appointments

I think you could be right. She has been retained in the pool of 11 for the final stages - see appointments  ;D

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« Reply #334 on: Fri 28 Jun 2019 22:02 »
Telegraph reports that the referee's performance on Sunday was officially regarded as 'good' - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-cup/2019/06/24/referee-england-game-twice-overruled-var-advice-prevent-cameroon/

Ridiculous if true!

She will probably be awarded the Final such is the bizarre nature of International Assessments and Appointments

I think you could be right. She has been retained in the pool of 11 for the final stages - see appointments  ;D

Delighted she’s been retained. Managed to protect the integrity of the sport ultimately - despite the utter abhorrence of VAR trying to stick their oar in when it’s not wanted or warranted to undermine her control totally.

Tonight was interesting - late France penalty claim that would have been given in any other game so far on insistence from the Vidiots doesn’t even get reviewed.

So much for FIFA’s supposed “consistency and integrity of VAR”

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #335 on: Fri 28 Jun 2019 23:40 »
Sam Matterface (ITV/Talksport commentator) has reported that the Premier League will be introduced a 3D system for offsides next season, whihc is more accurate than the 2D system previously used in England.

I am reasonably optimistic that we will see a positive implementation of VAR in the Premier League - I think there have been indications that they have learnt from the use of the system elsewhere and devised an effective approach. We will have to wait and see of course!
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #336 on: Tue 02 Jul 2019 22:02 »
Two crucial VAR incidents in tonight's semi-final. Decision to disallow the England goal was correct - just - but I could not see any contact leading to the England penalty, despite the numerous replays. Sad that England couldn't profit from the penalty but, on balance, the better side won.
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #337 on: Tue 02 Jul 2019 22:13 »
Tend to agree AT.  I wasn't convinced of the contact either for the penalty.  The England goal was correctly ruled out for offside. 

Interesting that the commentator said the 2nd YC should have been a straight Red which was my reaction.  Not that it made any difference although I suppose it could have done had it been a 1st YC.

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« Reply #338 on: Tue 02 Jul 2019 22:13 »
Why was the American defender not sent off in the incident leading up to the penalty? Not dogso?
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« Reply #339 on: Tue 02 Jul 2019 22:29 »
Two crucial VAR incidents in tonight's semi-final. Decision to disallow the England goal was correct - just - but I could not see any contact leading to the England penalty, despite the numerous replays. Sad that England couldn't profit from the penalty but, on balance, the better side won.
Thought both decisions were correct tbh offside by a toenail , and pk for touching her standing foot . That aside I was very impressed with the Brazilian referee.

Neville was clearly less impressed and commented specifically on the Brazilian referee's 'lack of control'. I had mixed views. Most decisions were correct and the 2nd yellow leading to the red was also correct although the ref appeared to have to be told that it was a 2nd yellow. And she was supremely fit throughout. However I had the underlying feeling that at times she was being led rather than in control, and those staring eyes .... scary! Another sad semi-final ending for an England team, but Neville and his players have plenty to be proud of and they have done much to promote the women's game in this country, with the home Euros to follow, and this can only be a good thing.   

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« Reply #340 on: Tue 02 Jul 2019 22:36 »
Phil Neville, in his post match interview, said he thought the referee had not had control of the match all night. I fear this must be the disappointment talking because I thought Ms Alves Batista was impressive and had very good control. I particularly liked her way of inter-reacting with the players. It was also most gratifying to comment to Mrs W about my appreciation of the grace and charm of the referee; hitherto that has been Mrs W's prerogative.

I really don't like these "inch" offside decisions because I don't think that's the original point of having an offside rule but technically it was correct and if VAR is going to hone things down to such fine margins then I think it's a pity. Just my view but it's a shame to see a great move and a well taken goal ruled out by a margin which can have given hardly any material advantage to the attacker.

As to the penalty. It took me about six views of slow motion to see the very slight contact but I think it was a correct decision. So perhaps that is an argument for VAR marginal decisions after all.

The better team won I thought, but the Lionesses can be very proud of what they have achieved
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #341 on: Tue 02 Jul 2019 22:58 »
Why was the American defender not sent off in the incident leading up to the penalty? Not dogso?

Exactly. Wasn't this a similar scenario to the example of a cross being played into the box and the attacker is pushed by the defender before being able to head the ball?

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #342 on: Tue 02 Jul 2019 23:11 »
How long will it be until the law is changed and offsides are only given within the 18 yard line to the goal line?

Also unless there is SFP involved I'd like penalties not to be given if. like DOGSO, players are not heading towards the goal when fouled - just a direct free kick.

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« Reply #343 on: Tue 02 Jul 2019 23:21 »
I think the penalty was going too microscopic, with the referee having to look at lots of different replays from different angles. I don't expect such situations to be given as penalties in the Premier League next season.
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #344 on: Wed 03 Jul 2019 08:12 »
How long will it be until the law is changed and offsides are only given within the 18 yard line to the goal line?

Also unless there is SFP involved I'd like penalties not to be given if. like DOGSO, players are not heading towards the goal when fouled - just a direct free kick.

The offside law change you suggest was tested on a London league in the 1970s and was discarded after less than a season, although I cannot think why.