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QF 'cull"?
« on: Mon 06 Jul 2026 09:21 »
If, as in previous WCs, those referees from countries left in are amongst those sent home.
This will mean at least 5 very strong European refs will be on their way home (2 Eng, 2 Fra, 1 Port)
Not sure if sane will apply to VAR as Gillet has looked very good and could easily be used in the top half of the draw
"Winners' with their team going out include Makkelie, who must be on for 1 more game

Early money on Marcianak doing ENGNOR which I would be more than happy with. To be fair any of the UEFA guys would be welcome
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Re: QF 'cull"?
« Reply #1 on: Mon 06 Jul 2026 10:19 »
With the Englishmen and Frenchmen heading home, who do we think could take the final?

I know a lot of us thought 1 of them 4 would get it, but now it seems as though the baton is still running around and still out there to be claimed..
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« Reply #2 on: Mon 06 Jul 2026 10:49 »
Has it been confirmed that the referees from the nations still in the tournament at the QF stage will be going home ?

In the 2022 World Cup, the three quarter finals referees were from nations that were still in the tournament. There was also one each in the quarter finals back in 2018 and 2014.
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« Reply #3 on: Mon 06 Jul 2026 11:06 »
I hope not: certainly for AT and MO but also quite happy to have either French ref for England games
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Re: QF 'cull"?
« Reply #4 on: Mon 06 Jul 2026 11:24 »
Doubt it will be a European referee on the final after Marciniak did it last time.
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« Reply #5 on: Mon 06 Jul 2026 12:09 »
I’m pretty sure Tantashev is already on the plane back to Uzbekistan…
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« Reply #6 on: Mon 06 Jul 2026 12:33 »
Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 06 Jul 2026 12:09
I’m pretty sure Tantashev is already on the plane back to Uzbekistan…

When a referee, such as Tantashev, has a performance that sends them home or hinders their progress in the rest of the tournament, you do have to feel for their assistants, who usually don't put a foot wrong.

It's like a chain of command. Referees essentially require their country to perform poorly to get further, and assistants require their referee to perform well to get further.

Some of these assistants may only get one or two shots at getting closer to the final, and if their referee can't put in a good performance, they are let down big time.
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« Reply #7 on: Mon 06 Jul 2026 12:41 »
I’ve never understood the “sent home” thing.  If I was running the show, I would want to keep ALL my top officials on hand, so as to keep all options open, as match results cannot be predicted with certainty.

Also, if I was a match official at one of these tournaments (as the teenage me often dreamed!)  even if my performances had been such that my services were no longer required, I would want to stay on and support my higher-placed colleagues, and watch the remaining games.

They should all be invited to the Final - culling Trump’s army of security personnel by about 10% should provide enough seats!
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« Reply #8 on: Mon 06 Jul 2026 14:54 »
Quote from: Claretman on Mon 06 Jul 2026 11:24
Doubt it will be a European referee on the final after Marciniak did it last time.

There were two back to back European referees in 2010 and 2014.
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« Reply #9 on: Mon 06 Jul 2026 14:57 »
Quote from: HChip on Mon 06 Jul 2026 10:19
With the Englishmen and Frenchmen heading home, who do we think could take the final?

I know a lot of us thought 1 of them 4 would get it, but now it seems as though the baton is still running around and still out there to be claimed..

I would say Barton (presuming tomorrow goes well), Valenzuala and  Vincic are all officials who have performed very well so far and don't come from a participating country and so could get the final regardless.

Outside shot could be Faghani who despite being 'sacrificed' on a near-impossible game seemed to come out more or less unscathed, although he did miss two KMIs.
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« Reply #10 on: Mon 06 Jul 2026 19:25 »
Quote from: HChip on Mon 06 Jul 2026 12:33
Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 06 Jul 2026 12:09
I’m pretty sure Tantashev is already on the plane back to Uzbekistan…

When a referee, such as Tantashev, has a performance that sends them home or hinders their progress in the rest of the tournament, you do have to feel for their assistants, who usually don't put a foot wrong.

It's like a chain of command. Referees essentially require their country to perform poorly to get further, and assistants require their referee to perform well to get further.

Some of these assistants may only get one or two shots at getting closer to the final, and if their referee can't put in a good performance, they are let down big time.

Without hearing any comms I felt all of his team could have helped him at various points. Win as a team, lose as a team. One could argue that ARs got HW the 2010 final (amongst other things going his way).

Think Makkelie is a strong possibility for ENGNOR, though I’m also of the opinion he’s rated on here a bit higher than by those with power. I think the game suits his more laid back style than the intensity of Marciniak.
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« Reply #11 on: Mon 06 Jul 2026 20:28 »
Marciniak hasn't had a R32 or R16 so has to get a QF. ENG vs NOR would seem sensible.

I suspect UEFA will keep at least Oliver and Turpin around in case England or France get eliminated in the QF to be used in a SF.

Would be surprised if UEFA get the final appointment this time round. CONCACAF haven't had a final for a long time, and with it being there, I'd bet on one of them. That means Barton, Elfath, Ramos or Martinez. I think Elfath is out of contention because of his fitness, and his mistakes in the last 2 matches. Barton might be considered too volatile for a final, and Martinez is probably lowest in the pecking order, so I think Ramos is favourite. If not him, then I suspect it'll go to CONMEBOL with Abatti maybe a favourite, but then a Brazilian got the opener.
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« Reply #12 on: Mon 06 Jul 2026 21:36 »
The opener and the final have been done by the same ref before, never mind the same confederation. Of course a Brazilian would be out if Argentina are finalists.

To my knowledge no one has ever done Euros and WC final so Letexier unlikely?
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« Reply #13 on: Mon 06 Jul 2026 21:47 »
Quote from: dtrv2 on Mon 06 Jul 2026 20:28
Marciniak hasn't had a R32 or R16 so has to get a QF. ENG vs NOR would seem sensible.

I suspect UEFA will keep at least Oliver and Turpin around in case England or France get eliminated in the QF to be used in a SF.

Would be surprised if UEFA get the final appointment this time round. CONCACAF haven't had a final for a long time, and with it being there, I'd bet on one of them. That means Barton, Elfath, Ramos or Martinez. I think Elfath is out of contention because of his fitness, and his mistakes in the last 2 matches. Barton might be considered too volatile for a final, and Martinez is probably lowest in the pecking order, so I think Ramos is favourite. If not him, then I suspect it'll go to CONMEBOL with Abatti maybe a favourite, but then a Brazilian got the opener.

Can’t really disagree with this take.  Disappointed in Elfath, unusual to see a referee at this level that is clearly less fit than the rest.  I’d like to see Barton with the final of it does indeed go to Concacaf.  You missed Penso from the list of Concacaf refs, would be the first time the same referee handled consecutive women’s and men’s World Cup Finals… now that would be a statement from FIFA.  Although the final is unlikely I think we will see Penso with another match before the end of the tournament.
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« Reply #14 on: Tue 07 Jul 2026 00:57 »
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Quote from: dtrv2 on Mon 06 Jul 2026 20:28
Marciniak hasn't had a R32 or R16 so has to get a QF. ENG vs NOR would seem sensible.

I suspect UEFA will keep at least Oliver and Turpin around in case England or France get eliminated in the QF to be used in a SF.

Would be surprised if UEFA get the final appointment this time round. CONCACAF haven't had a final for a long time, and with it being there, I'd bet on one of them. That means Barton, Elfath, Ramos or Martinez. I think Elfath is out of contention because of his fitness, and his mistakes in the last 2 matches. Barton might be considered too volatile for a final, and Martinez is probably lowest in the pecking order, so I think Ramos is favourite. If not him, then I suspect it'll go to CONMEBOL with Abatti maybe a favourite, but then a Brazilian got the opener.

Can’t really disagree with this take.  Disappointed in Elfath, unusual to see a referee at this level that is clearly less fit than the rest.  I’d like to see Barton with the final of it does indeed go to Concacaf.  You missed Penso from the list of Concacaf refs, would be the first time the same referee handled consecutive women’s and men’s World Cup Finals… now that would be a statement from FIFA.  Although the final is unlikely I think we will see Penso with another match before the end of the tournament.

Yeah, I left Penso out because much like if the final was to go to an English referee, it would almost certainly go to Oliver, if the US were to get it, Elfath is their number 1. And of course her performance in the final match wasn't great which puts Ramos, Barton and probably Martinez ahead of her.
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