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General Discussion / Re: promoted refs
« Last post by Affy_Moose on Today at 03:29 pm »
If it helps, I have a spreadsheet of the number of games officiated by every referee in the PL since 1992? Easy to deduce from that when officials first/last officiated.

Also have red/yellow cards as well for each season.

Is this accurate in terms of refs replacing other refs etc.?

I'm not sure what this means?  The total number of referee appointments is greater than the number of matches played (by a small margin).  I assume the disparity is from abandonment, or referee injuries during games.

The data was all pulled from PremierLeague.com  I haven't updated it for this season yet, as I only have need of the data for complete seasons.

I'll tidy it up and put it onto a shared Google Sheets file
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General Discussion / Re: M ATKINSON - Man U v Arsenal
« Last post by Microscopist on Today at 03:24 pm »
In the Leicester City v Manchester City game in September Mr Tierney didn't consider it necessary to stop play when Ederson had a tooth removed on the pitch by an opponent's studs - in that case the resultant play only resulted in a corner.  I suppose he used the discretionary "Subbuteo supplement" that means once someone has touched the ball, however slightly, anything goes.
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I Spy Old Refs! / Re: Division 1 Appointments 1947-48 - Analysis
« Last post by ajb95 on Today at 01:03 pm »
It must have been hard though when the vast majority of the teams were all up north?
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PAR 2021/22 / Re: PAR Weeks 16 & 17
« Last post by GingerReferee on Today at 01:01 pm »
Leicester v Tottenham, 19:30 - Brooks; Marriner; Mason

You think a newly promoted 2nd match will be a big top 6 clash?

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PAR 2021/22 / Re: PAR Weeks 16 & 17
« Last post by anje-roo on Today at 12:42 pm »
Friday 10th December 2021

Brentford v Watford, 20:00 - Tierney; Hooper; Scott

Saturday 11th December 2021

Arsenal v Southampton, 15:00 - Bankes; Ward; Hooper
Chelsea v Leeds, 15:00 - Kavanagh; Linington; Friend
Liverpool v Aston Villa, 15:00 - Attwell; Donohue; Mason
Manchester City v Wolves, 12:30 - Taylor; Atkinson; Gillett
Norwich v Manchester United, 17:30 - England; Marriner; Tierney

Sunday 12th December 2021

Brighton v Tottenham, 14:00 - Scott; Gillett; Oliver
Burnley v West Ham, 14:00 - Pawson; Taylor; Kavanagh
Crystal Palace v Everton, 16:30 - Dean; Coote; Mason
Leicester v Newcastle, 14:00 - Marriner; Moss; Bankes

EFL PAR (all games 11/12, 15:00 KO unless otherwise stated)

Championship:

Huddersfield v Coventry (12.30) - Langford
Preston v Barnsley - Harrington
West Brom v Reading - Madley, A

League One:

Accrington v Bolton - Welch
MK Dons v Oxford - Huxtable
Wycombe v AFC Wimbledon - Hair

League Two:

Barrow v Swindon - Oldham, S
Mansfield v Salford - Young
Walsall v Colchester - Breakspear


The Randomiser:

Please predict an official who will be an answer to the following questions

1. A referee who will caution a goalkeeper - nobody

2. A referee who will oversee a 0-0 draw - Scott

3. A referee who will award more than 30 fouls - Mather


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Tuesday 14th December 2021

Brentford v Manchester United, 19:30 - Coote; Tierney; Gillett
Manchester City v Leeds, 20:00 - Friend; Salisbury; Dean
Norwich v Aston Villa, 19:30 - Moss; Kavanagh; Bankes

Wednesday 15th December 2021

Arsenal v West Ham, 20:00 - Madley; Atkinson; Coote
Brighton v Wolves, 19:30 - Gillett; Harrington; Marriner
Burnley v Watford, 19:30 - JOnes; Hooper; Brooks
Crystal Palace v Southampton, 19:30 - Oliver; TIerney; Moss

Thursday 16th December 2021

Chelsea v Everton, 19:45 - Atkinson; Harrington; Madley
Leicester v Tottenham, 19:30 - Brooks; Marriner; Mason
Liverpool v Newcastle, 20:00 - Hooper; Friend; Scott
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General Discussion / Re: Darren Cann on the TV!
« Last post by Whistleblower on Today at 11:06 am »
There has been a category 'International Referees and Umpires' which has kept coming up for the final prize-winning round. However it came up again (and was not chosen) just 2-3 days before Darren made his one and only appearance on the show. Also, Darren missed out on a jackpot of 12,500 which was won the previous night with a pointless answer on Ashes cricket in the 21st century. Mrs AT and I usually play the final round at home and I think I might get a pointless answer on Refs and Umpires if/when it is finally chosen. London Underground is another!


I believe our interests may coincide AT, apart from watching quiz shows with our better halves which is something which rarely happens in the Whistleblower household with the occasional exception of Only Connect. I too tend to catch the final round of Pointless before the 6pm News. My best chance of a pointless answer would also be Refs and Umpires ( well only the former actually ) and the London Underground and perhaps, possibly, nineteenth century literature.
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PAR 2021/22 / Re: PAR Weeks 16 & 17
« Last post by Critics on Today at 10:53 am »
PAR Week 16:

Premier League PAR

Please predict the referee, fourth official and VAR for each match

Friday 10th December 2021

Brentford v Watford, 20:00 - Hooper, Dean, Marriner

Saturday 11th December 2021

Arsenal v Southampton, 15:00 - Bankes, M Salisbury, A Madley
Chelsea v Leeds, 15:00 - Moss, Whitestone, Mason
Liverpool v Aston Villa, 15:00 - Taylor, Brooks, Kavanagh
Manchester City v Wolves, 12:30 - Attwell, Jones, Tierney
Norwich v Manchester United, 17:30 - Marriner, Coote, England


Sunday 12th December 2021

Brighton v Tottenham, 14:00 - England, Attwell, Gillett
Burnley v West Ham, 14:00 - Atkinson, Jones, Tierney
Crystal Palace v Everton, 16:30 - A Madley, M Salisbury, Pawson
Leicester v Newcastle, 14:00 - Oliver, Harrington, Attwell

EFL PAR (all games 11/12, 15:00 KO unless otherwise stated)

Please precit the referee for the following games

Championship:

Huddersfield v Coventry (12.30) - Robert Jones
Preston v Barnsley - Leigh Doughty
West Brom v Reading - Oliver Langford

League One:

Accrington v Bolton - Rebecca Welch
MK Dons v Oxford - Brett Huxtable
Wycombe v AFC Wimbledon - Benjamin Speedie

League Two:

Barrow v Swindon - Scott Oldham
Mansfield v Salford - Neil Hair
Walsall v Colchester - Anthony Backhouse


The Randomiser:

Please predict an official who will be an answer to the following questions

1. A referee who will caution a goalkeeper - Michael Oliver

2. A referee who will oversee a 0-0 draw - Darren England

3. A referee who will award more than 30 fouls - Stuart Attwell


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PAR Week 16:

Premier League PAR

Please predict the referee, fourth official and VAR for each match

Tuesday 15th December 2021

Brentford v Manchester United, 19:30 - Coote, Marriner, Moss
Manchester City v Leeds, 20:00 - Dean, A Madley, Gillett
Norwich v Aston Villa, 19:30 - Harrington, Taylor, Tierney

Wednesday 16th December 2021

Arsenal v West Ham, 20:00 - Tierney, Hooper, Gillett
Brighton v Wolves, 19:30 - Jones, Attwell, Mason
Burnley v Watford, 19:30 - Kavanagh, M Salisbury, Marriner
Crystal Palace v Southampton, 19:30 - Brooks, Atkinson, Oliver

Thursday 17th December 2021

Chelsea v Everton, 19:45 - Oliver, Hooper, England
Leicester v Tottenham, 19:30 - Pawson, Marriner, Attwell
Liverpool v Newcastle, 20:00 - Friend, Harrington, Moss
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Foreign League Appointments / Re: NBI season 2021/22
« Last post by edy on Today at 10:23 am »
Greek SL MD12

AEK - Panathinaikos 05/12 (18:30 CET)

R: Tamas Bognar
AR: Balazs Buzas, Theodoros Georgiou

VAR: Katalin Kulcsar
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General Discussion / Re: Darren Cann on the TV!
« Last post by Acme Thunderer on Today at 09:59 am »
There has been a category 'International Referees and Umpires' which has kept coming up for the final prize-winning round. However it came up again (and was not chosen) just 2-3 days before Darren made his one and only appearance on the show. Also, Darren missed out on a jackpot of 12,500 which was won the previous night with a pointless answer on Ashes cricket in the 21st century. Mrs AT and I usually play the final round at home and I think I might get a pointless answer on Refs and Umpires if/when it is finally chosen. London Underground is another!
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General Discussion / Re: M ATKINSON - Man U v Arsenal
« Last post by Ref Watcher on Today at 09:40 am »
Martin Atkinson clearly saw that De Gea was on the ground with his back to play before Smith Rowe took his shot.  He moved his whistle to his mouth but opted not to blow it until after the ball went in the net (when there was actually no need to blow it all) presumably in line with the wait-and-see VAR protocols.  We are told time and again that player safety must be our number one priority.  Martin Atkinson had had no chance to assess how serious the injury was.  On a safety-first principle he should have stopped play immediately.  Safety must override VAR protocols.

Now, consider a slightly different scenario.  If De Gea had been seriously injured, or at least pretended to be, and was immediately substituted, would VAR have decided that Martin Atkinson was wrong to have allowed play to continue and that the goal should be disallowed?  And if not, what is the point in waiting to blow the whistle until the ball is in the net?
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