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General Discussion / Re: M Oliver Aston Villa v Brighton & Hove
« Last post by ajb95 on Today at 08:16 am »
I hadn't seen the penalty incident until RefWatch this morning.  However, it does seem to fit into the point I have made repeatedly about players 'buying' penalties.  There was perhaps minimal contact but the Aston Villa player, after a brief pause, proceeded to throw himself theatrically to the ground as if picked off by the sniper in the crowd.  I felt that Oliver 'bought' it which is not encouraging from someone at his level.  The replays were inconclusive on the possible faint contact, but acted as a good audition for the British Olympic diving squad.

I was very reassured by Dermot Gallagher saying he didn't think it was a penalty.  He made the very important point that not all contact is a foul/penalty, and that in relation to the Lamptey dismissal, not every foul is a card.  I would have still been happier if the card had been produced for the obvious playacting of the Aston Villa player in a deliberate attempt to deceive the referee to get a late point.

Talking of simulation, we saw an even worse example in the Leeds-Arsenal game.  The Arsenal player was very foolish in confronting the opponent with his head, but the contact was, at worst, minimal and in my view more unsportsmanlike than violent, although he gave the referee a decision to make.  But hey, them's the rules.  What was inexcusable is the reaction of the Leeds player who reacted as if he had been hit with an axe.  Again, a deliberate attempt to deceive the referee which went unpunished.  Until the game gets to grips with this ludicrous simulation there is no hope for it.  (After the red card I switched off in despair!)

Since Peter Walton appears to be the only referee who is asked to make comments during a live match (on BT as I don't think Sky have similar) have you ever heard him point this out to the commentary team or studio pundits when they ask his opinion on various decisions?

Nope!
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Hiw did they decide that the Liverpool "handball" was not handball given that although the defender's arm was by his side when the ball was played he actually moved it away from his body into the path of the ball?
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Why is there no discussion on why he didn't give a penalty for the clear shirt pull on Martial? How do we know from his angle that he even saw the shirt pull and if not then surely it is not correct to say it is not a clear and obvious error and it should warrant a pitch side review?
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General Discussion / Re: M Oliver Aston Villa v Brighton & Hove
« Last post by bruntyboy on Mon 23 Nov 2020 23:56 »
I hadn't seen the penalty incident until RefWatch this morning.  However, it does seem to fit into the point I have made repeatedly about players 'buying' penalties.  There was perhaps minimal contact but the Aston Villa player, after a brief pause, proceeded to throw himself theatrically to the ground as if picked off by the sniper in the crowd.  I felt that Oliver 'bought' it which is not encouraging from someone at his level.  The replays were inconclusive on the possible faint contact, but acted as a good audition for the British Olympic diving squad.

I was very reassured by Dermot Gallagher saying he didn't think it was a penalty.  He made the very important point that not all contact is a foul/penalty, and that in relation to the Lamptey dismissal, not every foul is a card.  I would have still been happier if the card had been produced for the obvious playacting of the Aston Villa player in a deliberate attempt to deceive the referee to get a late point.

Talking of simulation, we saw an even worse example in the Leeds-Arsenal game.  The Arsenal player was very foolish in confronting the opponent with his head, but the contact was, at worst, minimal and in my view more unsportsmanlike than violent, although he gave the referee a decision to make.  But hey, them's the rules.  What was inexcusable is the reaction of the Leeds player who reacted as if he had been hit with an axe.  Again, a deliberate attempt to deceive the referee which went unpunished.  Until the game gets to grips with this ludicrous simulation there is no hope for it.  (After the red card I switched off in despair!)

Since Peter Walton appears to be the only referee who is asked to make comments during a live match (on BT as I don't think Sky have similar) have you ever heard him point this out to the commentary team or studio pundits when they ask his opinion on various decisions?
 
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General Discussion / Re: M Oliver Aston Villa v Brighton & Hove
« Last post by bruntyboy on Mon 23 Nov 2020 23:50 »
" What was inexcusable is the reaction of the Leeds player who reacted as if he had been hit with an axe.  Again, a deliberate attempt to deceive the referee which went unpunished.  Until the game gets to grips with this ludicrous simulation there is no hope for it.  "

LateTackle's words are correct.  I'll avoid dodgy analogies and incorrectly quoting Law, but 100% support this.

Video technology is having an "interesting" impact on the game through VAR.  Video technology could eradicate this ludicrous simulation if there was the will to do so.  The truth, however, is that if the circumstances had been reversed, the Arsenal player would have done exactly what the Leeds player did do.

Its really up to the teams, players, managers, etc.  Do they want to get it out of the game or not?

They didn't help themselves when they didn't punish Lamela for his similar playacting against Martial earlier this season. 
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Select Group 2 / Re: Fri 27th NOV Wed 2nd DEC 2020
« Last post by Whistleblower on Mon 23 Nov 2020 22:16 »
Donohue certainly impressing somebody. I have heard that SG1 may not be a million miles away for him.
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Football League - L1 & L2 / Re: Fri 20th Tue 24th NOV 2020
« Last post by MartinB on Mon 23 Nov 2020 21:53 »
Im sure Ipswich fans will be elated at Robinson visiting again....

Most have given up caring who it is giving dubious penalties against them whilst ignoring clear penalties at the other end.
Opponents have to get into the Ipswich penalty area for a penalty to be given. Isn't going to happen on Saturday

It only took Tim Robinson a couple of minutes to prove for that to be incorrect.
we were all shocked as think you will find it is the 1st penalty we have had since Liverpool at home in January. We.just dont get into the opponents penalty area
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Football League - L1 & L2 / Re: Fri 20th Tue 24th NOV 2020
« Last post by TVOS on Mon 23 Nov 2020 21:32 »
Another red card for Alan Young....

His first of the season...
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I Spy Old Refs! / Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Last post by LUFC_statistics on Mon 23 Nov 2020 20:59 »
Welcome to the forum LUFC_statistics ;D

Thank you
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General Discussion / Re: UEFA Referees Documentary
« Last post by bmb on Mon 23 Nov 2020 20:31 »
Hategan comes across as a really nice guy. Highly intelligent as well.  Wonder if he will go back to being a doctor post retirement? Very difficult listening to him talking about the day his Mum died. I've said before what immense courage he showed that day to carry on with that game. His Mum would have been so proud of him, even more than usual.

Enjoyed listening to Rocchi

Had to giggle at the first words we hear from Michael Oliver were "it's absolutely freezing" - Man up, you're supposed to be a hardy northerner!!
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