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Re: One-hit wonders?
« Reply #45 on: Wed 05 Jan 2022 15:44 »
I am referring to Manchester City v Luton 1982-83 for Challinor

A few more gap fillers
16 Shaw - was replaced for Bradford City v Lincoln 1984-85 late on by Norman Glover (28)
and was ref replaced after 80 mins at Preston v Blackpool 76-77 which led to Graham Kelly stepping in as a line

17 David Hutchinson - Liverpool v Arsenal 1988-89 title decider

18 David S Hutchinson - Highgate United v Enfield Amateur Cup 66-67 Tony Allden killed by lightning

Yes, I was thinking of Man City v Luton for Arnold Challinor. Luton scored with 5 minutes to go to send Man City down and keep Luton up, and the Luton manager rushed on to the pitch at the end, resplendent in a cream suit. It's on YouTube of course.

OK with 17 and 18 Hutchinson & Hutchinson, but 16 Don Shaw was not the game I had in mind. Both Don and Michael Lowe refereed giant-killing games in the FA Cup, as with Buksch and Turner, but which games were they? 

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Re: One-hit wonders?
« Reply #46 on: Wed 05 Jan 2022 16:07 »
8th May 1983 at Lincoln City
Doncaster Belles 3, St. Helens 2
Officials - Arthur Challinor (Rotherham) F.L. Ref
Reg C. Jackson (Grantham) F.L. Line & S.L. Ref
Grahame H. Lyner (Gainsborough) later a F.L. line
attacked by a "fan" at Huddersfield v Oldham 19th April 1988
and was stretchered off in the 66th minute

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Re: One-hit wonders?
« Reply #47 on: Wed 05 Jan 2022 16:39 »
I am referring to Manchester City v Luton 1982-83 for Challinor

A few more gap fillers
16 Shaw - was replaced for Bradford City v Lincoln 1984-85 late on by Norman Glover (28)
and was ref replaced after 80 mins at Preston v Blackpool 76-77 which led to Graham Kelly stepping in as a line

17 David Hutchinson - Liverpool v Arsenal 1988-89 title decider

18 David S Hutchinson - Highgate United v Enfield Amateur Cup 66-67 Tony Allden killed by lightning

Yes, I was thinking of Man City v Luton for Arnold Challinor. Luton scored with 5 minutes to go to send Man City down and keep Luton up, and the Luton manager rushed on to the pitch at the end, resplendent in a cream suit. It's on YouTube of course.

OK with 17 and 18 Hutchinson & Hutchinson, but 16 Don Shaw was not the game I had in mind. Both Don and Michael Lowe refereed giant-killing games in the FA Cup, as with Buksch and Turner, but which games were they?

Another Man City defeat , this time by Halifax ?
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Re: One-hit wonders?
« Reply #48 on: Thu 06 Jan 2022 08:51 »
I am referring to Manchester City v Luton 1982-83 for Challinor

A few more gap fillers
16 Shaw - was replaced for Bradford City v Lincoln 1984-85 late on by Norman Glover (28)
and was ref replaced after 80 mins at Preston v Blackpool 76-77 which led to Graham Kelly stepping in as a line

17 David Hutchinson - Liverpool v Arsenal 1988-89 title decider

18 David S Hutchinson - Highgate United v Enfield Amateur Cup 66-67 Tony Allden killed by lightning

Yes, I was thinking of Man City v Luton for Arnold Challinor. Luton scored with 5 minutes to go to send Man City down and keep Luton up, and the Luton manager rushed on to the pitch at the end, resplendent in a cream suit. It's on YouTube of course.

OK with 17 and 18 Hutchinson & Hutchinson, but 16 Don Shaw was not the game I had in mind. Both Don and Michael Lowe refereed giant-killing games in the FA Cup, as with Buksch and Turner, but which games were they?

Another Man City defeat , this time by Halifax ?

Yes, good shot of the heavyweight referee at the start of the TV coverage of the game (Halifax v Man City 1980, 2:00)

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Re: One-hit wonders?
« Reply #49 on: Sat 08 Jan 2022 10:38 »
Thanks for all these answers. I can see just three for which answers have not yet been provided on this thread, and I am now providing the years which should enable answers to be provided. A full list will be published shortly.

7. Mike Dean (2012) - others for the 'master' will be accepted!
25. Kevin Breen (1992)
30. Roy Capey (1970)

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Re: One-hit wonders?
« Reply #50 on: Sat 08 Jan 2022 13:35 »
7. Mike Dean (2012) - allowing Newcastle's second goal v Manchester United and Alex Ferguson's half time tirade
25. Kevin Breen (1992) - Wrexham upset of Arsenal in F.A. Cup
30. Roy Capey (1970) - allowing Alan Hudson's stanchion shot as a goal for Chelsea v Ipswich

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Re: One-hit wonders?
« Reply #51 on: Sat 08 Jan 2022 13:43 »
Perhaps JT would care to tidy things up by posting details of the three missing answers (correctly submitted privately) to my questions:

f) Robert Hoyzer
i) Jim Callaghan
j) Michael Malbranc

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Re: One-hit wonders?
« Reply #52 on: Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:33 »
7. Mike Dean (2012) - allowing Newcastle's second goal v Manchester United and Alex Ferguson's half time tirade
25. Kevin Breen (1992) - Wrexham upset of Arsenal in F.A. Cup
30. Roy Capey (1970) - allowing Alan Hudson's stanchion shot as a goal for Chelsea v Ipswich

There are so many Mike Dean moments, but no, that is not the game I was thinking of. Think end-of-season 2011/12

I had forgotten that I have had no response yet for Don Shaw (1985). Any offers?

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Re: One-hit wonders?
« Reply #53 on: Sat 08 Jan 2022 18:00 »
Is Mike Dean the Man City - QPR game when Aguero scored in stoppage time to win the league?
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Re: One-hit wonders?
« Reply #54 on: Sat 08 Jan 2022 19:21 »
Don Shaw (1985). Any offers?

York v Arsenal F.A. Cup
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Re: One-hit wonders?
« Reply #55 on: Sat 08 Jan 2022 19:28 »
Hoyzer - German football betting scandal 2004-5

Callaghan - Celtic v Rangers Cup Final 1969 and subsequent 8 week suspension in  Sept/ Oct following Rangers complaints

Malbranc - 1997-98 TSV Munich v Karlsruhe - latter equalised in 88th minute. Malbranc had whistled just before the goal but allowed it to stand.
DFB scheduled a replay but FIFA overturned their verdict as it had been a factual decision.
Malbranc stated the DFB President had asked him to make a false statement to avoid trouble with FIFA and resignated as a DFB referee.
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Re: One-hit wonders?
« Reply #56 on: Sat 08 Jan 2022 19:59 »
The match for which Hoyzer is most remembered was a cup match in August 2004, when he awarded two highly suspicious penalties to the home side, Paderborn against Hamburg, sending off a Hamburg player for dissent at the second. Regionalliga Paderborm duly won. He continued to referee at his normal level of 2. Bundesliga and Reginalliga for some three monthys. As mauricelapin stated, he was sentenced to 2 years plus in jail and banned from football for life. The latter punishment was subsequently amanded tyo a ban from refereeing, but not from football and he was involved with some clubs in the Berlin area, though he did not seemto stay long at any of the more important6 ones.

Jim Callaghan was a FIFA official, who as JT states,was suspended by the SFA following a League Cup match (not the Cup Final) in 1969.His offence was failure to punish Celtic's John Hughes, previously booked, for a kick at an opponent. Scottish football has the misfortune to be saddled with two big and powerful clubs, divided on sectarian lines. Callaghan, a Catholic, was reputed to favour Celtic in some of his decisions, while Protestant/Masonic referees were alleged by Celtic sources to lean over backwards for Rangers. The rest of Scottish football probably felt, with some justification, that they were on the wrong end of decisions whichever of the Old Firm they played. Matters are perhaps a little less fraught these days, but accusations continue to be made about some current referees - the two clubs have more than their share of moronic supporters.

Michael Malbranc had refereed in the Bundesliga for 7 years, though the fact that he had only done 64 games shows that he was not one of the top officials and he was 44 at the time of his resignation, so just three ye4ars short of retirement age.
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Re: One-hit wonders?
« Reply #57 on: Mon 10 Jan 2022 09:26 »
I think we've got them all buttoned up now. The correct answers are as follows:

1. Derek Nippard (Christchurch), Ipswich v Arsenal, 1978
2. Alf Buksh (Dollis Hill), Sutton v Coventry, 1989
3. Phil Richards (Preston), LCF, Leicester v Tranmere, 2000
4. Rudolf Kreitlein (West Germany), England v Argentina, 1966
5. Kelvin Morton (Bury St Edmunds), Palace v Brighton, 1989
6. Paul Alcock (Redhill), Sheffield Wednesday v Arsenal, 1998
7. Mike Dean (Wirral), Man City v QPR, 2012 (other memorable moments accepted!)
8. Eric Jennings (Stourbridge), Chelsea v Leeds, 1970   
9. Denis Turner (Cannock), Hereford v Newcastle, 1972
10. Ron Warnke (Coventry) Charlton v Huddersfield (7-6), 1957
11. Colin Fallon (Blackpool), York v Southampton, 1971
12. Eddie Hughes (Weston-super-Mare), Palace v Fulham, 1978
13. Peter Willis (Meadowfield), Everton v Man Utd, 1985
14. Percy Harper (Stourbridge) (*), Newcastle v Arsenal, 1932 (leading to the current diagonal system of officiating)
15. Ray Tinkler (Boston), Leeds v WBA, 1971
16. Don Shaw (Sandbach) York v Arsenal, 1985
17. David Hutchinson (Abingdon), Liverpool v Arsenal, 1989
18. David S Hutchinson (Chipping Camden), Highgate v Enfield, 1967
19. Ray Lewis (Great Bookham), Liverpool v Nottingham Forest, 1989
20. Tommy Dawes (Norwich), Coventry v Everton, 1970
21. Derek Webb (Sale), Coventry v Palace, 1980
22. John Hilditch Stoke) (+), Man Utd v Sheffield Wednesday, 1993
23. Darren Drysdale (Lincs), Ipswich v Northampton, 2021
24. Michael Lowe (Sheffield), Halifax v Man City, 1980
25. Kevin Breen (Liverpool), Wrexham v Arsenal, 1992
26. Roger Milford (Bristol), Tottenham v Nottingham Forest, 1991
27. Tofik Bahramov (Azer), England v West Germany, 1966
28. Norman Glover (Chorley), Bradford City v Lincoln, 1985
29. Arnold Challinor (Rotherham), Man City v Luton, 1983
30. Roy Capey (Crewe), Chelsea v Ipswich, 1970

Well done to all who took part. Most of the above can be viewed on YouTube or I will be happy to provide further details on individual answers if you like.

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Re: One-hit wonders?
« Reply #58 on: Tue 11 Jan 2022 19:59 »
As a very young York fan listening to Radio 2 I believe on the commentary, it was a great penalty decision 😆

And the link to the 1987 Cup Final?
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Re: One-hit wonders?
« Reply #59 on: Tue 11 Jan 2022 22:14 »
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