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Re: Sat 16th – Thu 21st JAN 2021
« Reply #15 on: Wed 13 Jan 2021 16:21 »
I have a feeling that Riley wants to test Tierney for a possible promotion on June. It's not a secret that UEFA is interested in domestic performances apart from the International ones. I know that Tierney had no appointment in Europe this season but that doesn't mean anything.

Just curious Edy why it doesn't mean anything, would it be common for this to occur in other countries? I'm just used to seeing all of the English FIFA referees regularly appointed.

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Re: Sat 16th – Thu 21st JAN 2021
« Reply #16 on: Wed 13 Jan 2021 18:59 »
I have a feeling that Riley wants to test Tierney for a possible promotion on June. It's not a secret that UEFA is interested in domestic performances apart from the International ones. I know that Tierney had no appointment in Europe this season but that doesn't mean anything.

edy, I recall that the reason Alan Wiley never made F.I.F.A. 15 years or so ago was due to age.  I seem to recall there was an age limit of 39.  Does that still apply?

Pawson will be 42 in March I believe and Tierney was 40 on Christmas Day.  As has been mentioned, Kavanagh is several years younger - 36 I think.
Once appointed to the International List, is there an age (official or otherwise) when a referee would not be promoted to the Elite Group?
Taylor was 38/39 and Oliver 32/33 if I'm not mistaken and both had been F.I.F.A. for some 4 or 5 years before reaching Elite.

With that in mind, is Kavanagh perhaps the only realistic prospect of the present group to make Elite?




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Re: Sat 16th – Thu 21st JAN 2021
« Reply #17 on: Wed 13 Jan 2021 20:00 »
I have a feeling that Riley wants to test Tierney for a possible promotion on June. It's not a secret that UEFA is interested in domestic performances apart from the International ones. I know that Tierney had no appointment in Europe this season but that doesn't mean anything.

edy, I recall that the reason Alan Wiley never made F.I.F.A. 15 years or so ago was due to age.  I seem to recall there was an age limit of 39.  Does that still apply?

Pawson will be 42 in March I believe and Tierney was 40 on Christmas Day.  As has been mentioned, Kavanagh is several years younger - 36 I think.
Once appointed to the International List, is there an age (official or otherwise) when a referee would not be promoted to the Elite Group?
Taylor was 38/39 and Oliver 32/33 if I'm not mistaken and both had been F.I.F.A. for some 4 or 5 years before reaching Elite.

With that in mind, is Kavanagh perhaps the only realistic prospect of the present group to make Elite?





Not sure about other promotions but they don't promote to the elite group over age 40 because of the time needed to develop on the elite group ahead of major tournaments.
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Re: Sat 16th – Thu 21st JAN 2021
« Reply #18 on: Wed 13 Jan 2021 20:15 »
It would be nice for Rob Jones to get a run of prem games

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Re: Sat 16th – Thu 21st JAN 2021
« Reply #19 on: Wed 13 Jan 2021 20:50 »
The Leeds v Southampton game on 20th Jan is not taking place as Southampton's FA Cup 3rd round match with Shrewsbury has been rescheduled for Tuesday 19th.  Wonder if Simon Hooper will get that appointment or if Graham Scott will get the fixture as he was originally named as the referee and Hooper would maybe get West Ham vs West Brom instead

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Re: Sat 16th – Thu 21st JAN 2021
« Reply #20 on: Wed 13 Jan 2021 21:40 »
I have a feeling that Riley wants to test Tierney for a possible promotion on June. It's not a secret that UEFA is interested in domestic performances apart from the International ones. I know that Tierney had no appointment in Europe this season but that doesn't mean anything.

edy, I recall that the reason Alan Wiley never made F.I.F.A. 15 years or so ago was due to age.  I seem to recall there was an age limit of 39.  Does that still apply?

Pawson will be 42 in March I believe and Tierney was 40 on Christmas Day.  As has been mentioned, Kavanagh is several years younger - 36 I think.
Once appointed to the International List, is there an age (official or otherwise) when a referee would not be promoted to the Elite Group?
Taylor was 38/39 and Oliver 32/33 if I'm not mistaken and both had been F.I.F.A. for some 4 or 5 years before reaching Elite.

With that in mind, is Kavanagh perhaps the only realistic prospect of the present group to make Elite?

Tierney is still 2nd Group. So obviously a promotion to 1st is the next step.

UEFA tends to promote referees under 40 to the Elite Group. The only exception was Del Cerro Grande who was promoted at 42.

As for Kavanagh, I agree. He is the only realistic chance for the Elite Group. But my question is: after him, who?
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Re: Sat 16th – Thu 21st JAN 2021
« Reply #21 on: Wed 13 Jan 2021 22:19 »
I have a feeling that Riley wants to test Tierney for a possible promotion on June. It's not a secret that UEFA is interested in domestic performances apart from the International ones. I know that Tierney had no appointment in Europe this season but that doesn't mean anything.

edy, I recall that the reason Alan Wiley never made F.I.F.A. 15 years or so ago was due to age.  I seem to recall there was an age limit of 39.  Does that still apply?

Pawson will be 42 in March I believe and Tierney was 40 on Christmas Day.  As has been mentioned, Kavanagh is several years younger - 36 I think.
Once appointed to the International List, is there an age (official or otherwise) when a referee would not be promoted to the Elite Group?
Taylor was 38/39 and Oliver 32/33 if I'm not mistaken and both had been F.I.F.A. for some 4 or 5 years before reaching Elite.

With that in mind, is Kavanagh perhaps the only realistic prospect of the present group to make Elite?

Tierney is still 2nd Group. So obviously a promotion to 1st is the next step.

UEFA tends to promote referees under 40 to the Elite Group. The only exception was Del Cerro Grande who was promoted at 42.

As for Kavanagh, I agree. He is the only realistic chance for the Elite Group. But my question is: after him, who?

The other factor is that we only have one Fifa spot left.... and with England and Jones the most likely candidates... it’s a coin toss and we could end up with the likes of Tierney or Pawson “blocking” a decent official getting a white badge before they can get to challenge elite.
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Re: Sat 16th – Thu 21st JAN 2021
« Reply #22 on: Wed 13 Jan 2021 22:55 »
I would be very surprised if the FA Cup Final  ( if we are back to relative normality by then and they choose someone who has not had the honour before ) goes to anyone else but Craig Pawson. Mind you, that appointment has certainly thrown up many surprises in the past.

Moss in 2015 comes to mind for example, thought it would have been clattenburg at the time however he was appointed a year later.
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Re: Sat 16th – Thu 21st JAN 2021
« Reply #23 on: Thu 14 Jan 2021 08:09 »
I have a feeling that Riley wants to test Tierney for a possible promotion on June. It's not a secret that UEFA is interested in domestic performances apart from the International ones. I know that Tierney had no appointment in Europe this season but that doesn't mean anything.

edy, I recall that the reason Alan Wiley never made F.I.F.A. 15 years or so ago was due to age.  I seem to recall there was an age limit of 39.  Does that still apply?

Pawson will be 42 in March I believe and Tierney was 40 on Christmas Day.  As has been mentioned, Kavanagh is several years younger - 36 I think.
Once appointed to the International List, is there an age (official or otherwise) when a referee would not be promoted to the Elite Group?
Taylor was 38/39 and Oliver 32/33 if I'm not mistaken and both had been F.I.F.A. for some 4 or 5 years before reaching Elite.

With that in mind, is Kavanagh perhaps the only realistic prospect of the present group to make Elite?

Tierney is still 2nd Group. So obviously a promotion to 1st is the next step.

UEFA tends to promote referees under 40 to the Elite Group. The only exception was Del Cerro Grande who was promoted at 42.

As for Kavanagh, I agree. He is the only realistic chance for the Elite Group. But my question is: after him, who?

The other factor is that we only have one Fifa spot left.... and with England and Jones the most likely candidates... it’s a coin toss and we could end up with the likes of Tierney or Pawson “blocking” a decent official getting a white badge before they can get to challenge elite.

When/if they are ready for the FIFA list I think Tierney should be removed, Pawson IMO has had a very good international career and will continue to I'm sure for his remaining 3/4/5 years on the list. Tierney has had 1 EL group game, no nations league matches and is still in the second group without any games this season so to get to a similar level as even Pawson will take some time and at his age I wonder how interested UEFA will be in progressing him in this manner. The same could be said of Atwell but he is two years younger so maybe has some more hope but I'm not so sure UEFA have much interest in him either given his appointments.

Tierney and Atwell are used regularly as VARs but with the new video referee list with FIFA I don't believe they need to be FIFA referees to act as VARs in international games.
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Re: Sat 16th – Thu 21st JAN 2021
« Reply #24 on: Thu 14 Jan 2021 11:48 »
I would be very surprised if the FA Cup Final  ( if we are back to relative normality by then and they choose someone who has not had the honour before ) goes to anyone else but Craig Pawson. Mind you, that appointment has certainly thrown up many surprises in the past.

Moss in 2015 comes to mind for example, thought it would have been clattenburg at the time however he was appointed a year later.



Yes, that was one of the biggest surprises, unless one had an inkling of the 'politics' which were already being played out in the FA.

Going back many years, the appointment of Derek Nippard in 1978 ( the year of Ipswich's triumph I cannot resist pointing out ! ) was a very major surprise as most people assumed the honour was going to John Gow who was in his last season and was not disbarred by geography.

The appointments of Roger Milford and Jeff Winter raised some eyebrows at the time.

Now it appears it is far harder for a SG1 referee not to be appointed to the Final than to be so.
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Re: Sat 16th – Thu 21st JAN 2021
« Reply #25 on: Thu 14 Jan 2021 11:58 »
It's an interesting point about whether Tierney and Attwell should make room for Jones and England. I think removing Tierney and Attwell is very hard on them but it does seem fairly clear that neither of them is going to have much of an international career.

Other nations seem to find talent at a very young age and nurture it into a FIFA badge at about the age of 30. However, this can backfire as was the case with Attwell's first incarnation into FIFA. I think certain influential people saw in Attwell much more potential than there actually was.

Who is there in England, already in their mid 20s, and really impressing people? I don't know their ages but the names I have heard spoken of very well are Doughty, Edwards and Donohue.

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« Reply #26 on: Thu 14 Jan 2021 12:12 »
Poss more prem games for Jones and England?

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« Reply #27 on: Thu 14 Jan 2021 12:43 »
It's an interesting point about whether Tierney and Attwell should make room for Jones and England. I think removing Tierney and Attwell is very hard on them but it does seem fairly clear that neither of them is going to have much of an international career.

Other nations seem to find talent at a very young age and nurture it into a FIFA badge at about the age of 30. However, this can backfire as was the case with Attwell's first incarnation into FIFA. I think certain influential people saw in Attwell much more potential than there actually was.

Who is there in England, already in their mid 20s, and really impressing people? I don't know their ages but the names I have heard spoken of very well are Doughty, Edwards and Donohue.

I think for me, UEFA clearly see Tierney and Attwell as VAR officials. With this now being a separate section on the list, and not exclusively for FIFA refs, it would make sense to remove their badge to allow Jones and England to step up if they see both as future international referees.

In terms of beyond that, I think the names you have mentioned are a good shout. Speedie and Barrot both got an FA Cup 3rd round tie which must be a good sign. Also Will Finnie had a decent game at the weekend in my opinion in what was a very challenging game to officiate. Maybe he’s one to watch?

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« Reply #28 on: Thu 14 Jan 2021 13:38 »
I saw Will Finnie at Gresty Road in what must have been one of his first games on the list and I thought he had a good game. Looked just like a schoolboy alongside adults, but his control of the game was good.

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« Reply #29 on: Thu 14 Jan 2021 13:42 »
Aston Villa v Everton now off due to Covid issues (BBC).