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Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
« Reply #15 on: Mon 05 Sep 2022 20:48 »
On WWCQ with Rebecca Welch on Tuesday, then AR in opening roung of WSL matches

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Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
« Reply #16 on: Mon 05 Sep 2022 21:15 »
These are the first appointments since Liverpool V Newcastle game so don't think we can read too much into that.

Good that Bramal has another game.

I guess the PGMO might struggle to justify punishing Madley too heavily as it seems to be their general directive that they largely expect referees to go with the VAR when an intervention is made.

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Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
« Reply #17 on: Tue 06 Sep 2022 07:37 »
How happy is Missy bmb right now!!

Thank you appointments peeps

Can you have Coote instead?
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Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
« Reply #18 on: Tue 06 Sep 2022 09:11 »
Why is Bramall doing another game?
My view is that the first dozen games of the season are critical to the way the season pans out, team's confidence, self belief etc. They are critical in how the season develops and so the best experienced referees (and VARs) should get them. Those that have used VAR, experienced big match occasions and being the centre of attention. Thereafter during the season you can gradually introduce newer referees to games which are perhaps less critical, mid table if you get my drift. Still important but after a dozen games you generally know which games are "big" matches. While it is nice to see inexperienced referees get games early this season, they should have had more in the latter half of last.
Last season the PGMOL knew who was retiring at the end of the season, knew who the VARs would be at the start of the next season and rather than stick with the old guard, introduce all the new or likely new referees gradually so that they do not have to learn during the key part of the new season. Moss and Dean should not have had some of the games they did if a smooth transition to the new season was to be made. Dean should have had VAR games to get used to the technology. What do we have now? Referees and VARs getting it wrong. It would have been better if they had learnt their mistakes in some of Wolves games last season when frankly no-one really gave a fig! And lessons learnt then, not know
Just my opinion I would add but I see parallels elsewhere in life.
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Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
« Reply #19 on: Tue 06 Sep 2022 09:21 »
Overall a good set of appointments. Good to see Chris Kavanagh back on PL duty. As expected, the big game has gone to Michael Oliver and deserved imo after his performance last Saturday. I am happy to see Jarred Gillett as a referee and not a VAR this weekend. The only appointment i don't agree with is Andy Madley being appointed again.
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Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
« Reply #20 on: Tue 06 Sep 2022 09:41 »
How happy is Missy bmb right now!!

Thank you appointments peeps
Just a pity Andre is at stockley park rather than fourth official or referee, at least he wont be on yellow!
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Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
« Reply #21 on: Tue 06 Sep 2022 12:28 »
How happy is Missy bmb right now!!

Thank you appointments peeps

Can you have Coote instead?

Very kind of you to offer TTFL but no thank you, I am more than happy with the lineup as is, apart from as Claretman points out André as 4O not VAR, which would have been awesome! Nothing against James Bell but favouritism is favouritism and all that!
Hajrá Lilák. Csak a Kispest. Hajrá Magyarok! Hajrá játékvezetői csapat! Soha ne add fel. Nincs sárga kérem!!! No Chris Kavanagh doesn't live in Ashton or even in the Greater Manchester area!!

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Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
« Reply #22 on: Tue 06 Sep 2022 17:16 »
Interesting to see the very experienced trio of Pawson, Taylor and Tierney all involved in West Ham v Newcastle after the issues that befell both teams last weekend.
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Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
« Reply #23 on: Tue 06 Sep 2022 18:22 »
Harrington banks Scott and Salisbury in championship sat/midweek would have thought they would have had a prem game hopefully they get one next weekend
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Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
« Reply #24 on: Tue 06 Sep 2022 22:08 »
How happy is Missy bmb right now!!

Thank you appointments peeps

Can you have Coote instead?

Very kind of you to offer TTFL but no thank you, I am more than happy with the lineup as is, apart from as Claretman points out André as 4O not VAR, which would have been awesome! Nothing against James Bell but favouritism is favouritism and all that!
Andre will have to send you a pic of him in the var booth wearing that colour shirt you love so much bmb
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Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
« Reply #25 on: Wed 07 Sep 2022 05:38 »
Why is Bramall doing another game?
My view is that the first dozen games of the season are critical to the way the season pans out, team's confidence, self belief etc. They are critical in how the season develops and so the best experienced referees (and VARs) should get them. Those that have used VAR, experienced big match occasions and being the centre of attention. Thereafter during the season you can gradually introduce newer referees to games which are perhaps less critical, mid table if you get my drift. Still important but after a dozen games you generally know which games are "big" matches. While it is nice to see inexperienced referees get games early this season, they should have had more in the latter half of last.
Last season the PGMOL knew who was retiring at the end of the season, knew who the VARs would be at the start of the next season and rather than stick with the old guard, introduce all the new or likely new referees gradually so that they do not have to learn during the key part of the new season. Moss and Dean should not have had some of the games they did if a smooth transition to the new season was to be made. Dean should have had VAR games to get used to the technology. What do we have now? Referees and VARs getting it wrong. It would have been better if they had learnt their mistakes in some of Wolves games last season when frankly no-one really gave a fig! And lessons learnt then, not know
Just my opinion I would add but I see parallels elsewhere in life.

I don't really agree with the suggestion that newer referees shouldn't be used for the first few months of the season. It sounds like he did well in his first game so deserves a second.

In general, I'm not especially convinced that most games become less important as the season goes on. You might eventually get to the stage where there's some games that you can describe as more mid table but I seem to remember towards the end of last season it was pretty rare that happened because a lot of the top half had some chance of 7th and Europa League and a lot of the bottom half weren't fully safe from relegation until quite near the end.

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Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
« Reply #26 on: Wed 07 Sep 2022 05:49 »
Overall a good set of appointments. Good to see Chris Kavanagh back on PL duty. As expected, the big game has gone to Michael Oliver and deserved imo after his performance last Saturday. I am happy to see Jarred Gillett as a referee and not a VAR this weekend. The only appointment i don't agree with is Andy Madley being appointed again.

If specifically referring to the West Ham disallowed goal, then I think Gillett is the more responsible, especially in the context of how PGMO seem to direct use of VAR where referees are discouraged from sticking with their decision at the monitor. It was Gillett who wrongly got involved in the first place and Madley then seems to have followed general PGMO guidance. I don't know how exactly you should incorporate that into the next week's appointments, if at all, but I'm not sure it would be the right framework if you essentially said the VARs who make the errors should be appointed as referees but the referee shouldn't be. You'd almost be creating a template where it was in a VAR's interests to make a mistake, although it obviously wouldn't manifest itself deliberately in that way.
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Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
« Reply #27 on: Wed 07 Sep 2022 12:59 »
Why is Bramall doing another game?
My view is that the first dozen games of the season are critical to the way the season pans out, team's confidence, self belief etc. They are critical in how the season develops and so the best experienced referees (and VARs) should get them. Those that have used VAR, experienced big match occasions and being the centre of attention. Thereafter during the season you can gradually introduce newer referees to games which are perhaps less critical, mid table if you get my drift. Still important but after a dozen games you generally know which games are "big" matches. While it is nice to see inexperienced referees get games early this season, they should have had more in the latter half of last.
Last season the PGMOL knew who was retiring at the end of the season, knew who the VARs would be at the start of the next season and rather than stick with the old guard, introduce all the new or likely new referees gradually so that they do not have to learn during the key part of the new season. Moss and Dean should not have had some of the games they did if a smooth transition to the new season was to be made. Dean should have had VAR games to get used to the technology. What do we have now? Referees and VARs getting it wrong. It would have been better if they had learnt their mistakes in some of Wolves games last season when frankly no-one really gave a fig! And lessons learnt then, not know
Just my opinion I would add but I see parallels elsewhere in life.

I don't really agree with the suggestion that newer referees shouldn't be used for the first few months of the season. It sounds like he did well in his first game so deserves a second.

In general, I'm not especially convinced that most games become less important as the season goes on. You might eventually get to the stage where there's some games that you can describe as more mid table but I seem to remember towards the end of last season it was pretty rare that happened because a lot of the top half had some chance of 7th and Europa League and a lot of the bottom half weren't fully safe from relegation until quite near the end.

Agree with this; SG2 and NL officials are thrown straight in at the deep end, so why not SG1? What's the point of them being there otherwise?

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Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
« Reply #28 on: Wed 07 Sep 2022 13:46 »
As an Arsenal fan, not sure we want Mike Dean anywhere near us ever again.

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Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
« Reply #29 on: Wed 07 Sep 2022 19:20 »

Why is Bramall doing another game?
My view is that the first dozen games of the season are critical to the way the season pans out, team's confidence, self belief etc. They are critical in how the season develops and so the best experienced referees (and VARs) should get them. Those that have used VAR, experienced big match occasions and being the centre of attention. Thereafter during the season you can gradually introduce newer referees to games which are perhaps less critical, mid table if you get my drift. Still important but after a dozen games you generally know which games are "big" matches. While it is nice to see inexperienced referees get games early this season, they should have had more in the latter half of last.
Last season the PGMOL knew who was retiring at the end of the season, knew who the VARs would be at the start of the next season and rather than stick with the old guard, introduce all the new or likely new referees gradually so that they do not have to learn during the key part of the new season.llels elsewhere in life.

I don't really agree with the suggestion that newer referees shouldn't be used for the first few months of the season. It sounds like he did well in his first game so deserves a second.



So basically you're saying the approach with the new SG1 members last year is the correct one to follow, even though that approach was widely and frequently criticised on this forum.  I think you're in a minority of one with that!!

Edited to fix the quote thingamajigga
« Last Edit: Wed 07 Sep 2022 23:58 by bmb »