Author Topic: Fri 8th – Sun 10th APR 2022 (Read 4454 times)

TVOS · « **Reply #15 on:** Tue 05 Apr 2022 15:39 »

Quote from: Whistleblower on Tue 05 Apr 2022 15:08

I don't know where he is based now but certainly a few years ago Paul Tierney hailed from Wigan.

Yep, as I posted, before being told it was wrong.

bmb · « **Reply #16 on:** Tue 05 Apr 2022 15:57 »

Quote from: jacksamuel21 on Tue 05 Apr 2022 14:18

Chris Kavanagh is even more questionable, it it any different to how English refereees won't referee english teams in europe?

Why? He doesn't support either team or any of their rivals, nor does he live anywhere near the ground. He doesn't even live in Manchester.

The post code rule was done away with 5/6 years ago so where referees live is irrelevant to what teams and which grounds they can referee at.

bmb · « **Reply #17 on:** Tue 05 Apr 2022 16:07 »

Quote from: Whistleblower on Tue 05 Apr 2022 15:14

Another change in appointments, no doubt due to the much depleted pool of SG1 as opposed to the old National List, is that the geographical area a referee is deemed to come from in avoiding a clash with a club has narrowed considerably and I believe may now be reckoned as by postcode. In the old days it was much more on a county basis so a Yorkshire team playing a London team would not tend to have a referee from either Yorkshire or London. Derby matches from the same county might though have had a referee from that county.

Obviously if a referee declares support for a certain team they are excluded from refereeing that team or a match which might materially affect the fortunes of that team ie relegation battles.

There is no postcode rule. The rule on living distance in proximity to grounds was scrapped at least 5/6 years ago. It has zero relevance as has been pointed out a million times on here over the years. The only thing of relevance is if they or a close family member supports a team, works for a team or plays for a team eg for the academy team.

ajb95 · « **Reply #18 on:** Tue 05 Apr 2022 16:26 »

Quote from: Phil42 on Tue 05 Apr 2022 13:54

Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 05 Apr 2022 12:08
Well no surprise the big hitters out for both games.

Good to see Graham Scott pick up a decent fixture too.

Not hating on Scott here, but why oh why are referees who, let's be honest, don't have much of a future in SG1 (or at least wouldn't if we had some competent management in charge), continue to pick up decent matches, when you have the likes of Gillett sitting in Stockley Park (yet again). It makes no sense to me!

He’s hardly had any games never mind “top matches”. He’s only had about 3 games on TV as well

Hertsref123 · « **Reply #19 on:** Tue 05 Apr 2022 16:49 »

Quote from: Whistleblower on Tue 05 Apr 2022 15:14

Another change in appointments, no doubt due to the much depleted pool of SG1 as opposed to the old National List, is that the geographical area a referee is deemed to come from in avoiding a clash with a club has narrowed considerably and I believe may now be reckoned as by postcode. In the old days it was much more on a county basis so a Yorkshire team playing a London team would not tend to have a referee from either Yorkshire or London. Derby matches from the same county might though have had a referee from that county.

Obviously if a referee declares support for a certain team they are excluded from refereeing that team or a match which might materially affect the fortunes of that team ie relegation battles.

Postcode rule was abolished. Its now entirely based on who the referee supports.

Hertsref123 · « **Reply #20 on:** Tue 05 Apr 2022 16:52 »

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Fri 8th Apr 2022
Newcastle United FC (First Team) v Wolverhampton Wanderers FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Bankes, Peter
Assistant Referee: Mainwaring, James
Assistant Referee: Smith, Wade
Fourth Official: Harrington, Tony
Video Assistant Referee: Gillett, Jarred
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Eaton, Derek

Sat 9th Apr 2022
Arsenal (First Team) v Brighton & Hove Albion FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Coote, David
Assistant Referee: Hussin, Ian
Assistant Referee: Hopton, Nick
Fourth Official: Jones, Robert
Video Assistant Referee: Kavanagh, Chris
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Massey-Ellis, Sian

Aston Villa FC (First Team) v Tottenham Hotspur (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Scott, Graham
Assistant Referee: Lennard, Harry
Assistant Referee: Scholes, Mark
Fourth Official: Pawson, Craig
Video Assistant Referee: Madley, Andrew
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Betts, Lee

Everton FC (First Team) v Manchester United FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Moss, Jonathan
Assistant Referee: Perry, Marc
Assistant Referee: Wood, Timothy
Fourth Official: Atkinson, Martin
Video Assistant Referee: Gillett, Jarred
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Smart, Edward

Southampton FC (First Team) v Chelsea (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Friend, Kevin
Assistant Referee: Holmes, Adrian
Assistant Referee: Beck, Simon
Fourth Official: Smith, Josh
Video Assistant Referee: Mason, Lee
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Wilkes, Matthew

Watford FC (First Team) v Leeds United AFC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Marriner, Andre
Assistant Referee: Long, Simon
Assistant Referee: Ledger, Scott
Fourth Official: Hooper, Simon
Video Assistant Referee: Dean, Michael
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Davies, Neil

Sun 10th Apr 2022
Brentford FC (First Team) v West Ham United (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Atkinson, Martin
Assistant Referee: Betts, Lee
Assistant Referee: Hatzidakis, Constantine
Fourth Official: Hooper, Simon
Video Assistant Referee: Mason, Lee
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Cann, Darren

Leicester City FC (First Team) v Crystal Palace FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Jones, Robert
Assistant Referee: Cook, Dan
Assistant Referee: Robathan, Daniel
Fourth Official: Moss, Jonathan
Video Assistant Referee: Bankes, Peter
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Hussin, Ian

Manchester City FC (First Team) v Liverpool FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Taylor, Anthony
Assistant Referee: Beswick, Gary
Assistant Referee: Nunn, Adam
Fourth Official: Marriner, Andre
Video Assistant Referee: Tierney, Paul
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Wood, Timothy

Norwich City FC (First Team) v Burnley FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Oliver, Michael
Assistant Referee: Burt, Stuart
Assistant Referee: Bennett, Simon
Fourth Official: Madley, Andrew
Video Assistant Referee: Brooks, John
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Hopton, Nick

Absolutely no surprises that the big games at the top and bottom go to the two best referees. Although Oliver being a newcastle fan makes it surprising that he is appointed to a big game at the bottom

Although I don't think it will affect anything as Neither support Manchester teams and I am not questioning the integrity of the referees but having 2 referees from
Manchester in this game is asking for controversy

There aren't any referees from Manchester on it. One is from Altrincham, one from Wigan.

Actually that's who they support, not where they're from.

Regardless, neither is from Manchester, as has been explained ad infinitum on here whenever Taylor is appointed to United or City

Anthony Taylor lives within 10 mins of Old Trafford- should be close enough to not referee Manchester teams. Chris Kavanagh is even more questionable, it it any different to how English refereees won't referee english teams in europe?

Well as neither support either of city or united, it shouldn't be a big deal. Just because they live in manchester doesn't mean they have allegiances to those clubs. you cannot compare it to a referee not refereeing a team in europe from their home country.

Whistleblower · « **Reply #21 on:** Tue 05 Apr 2022 17:04 »

Didn't know about the abolition of the postcode. Thanks for letting me know.

I don't see though why the same principle shouldn't be applied to countries. A referee may reside in England but be a supporter of the Italian National Team and not of England at all. Why should they not referee England v Denmark for example. Perhaps because of perceptions and how it looks ! Now there's a thought which might be thought pertinent domestically.

rustyref · « **Reply #22 on:** Tue 05 Apr 2022 17:30 »

How many times does the same thing need to be said, it comes up every single time Taylor gets a Manchester team, certainly when it is in a big game? Your postcode is now 100% irrelevant to the appointing process, it is purely based on who you support. And quite rightly as people don't just support their local clubs as used to be more the case, they often support clubs nowhere near where they currently live.

jacksamuel21 · « **Reply #23 on:** Tue 05 Apr 2022 18:13 »

Quote from: rustyref on Tue 05 Apr 2022 17:30

How many times does the same thing need to be said, it comes up every single time Taylor gets a Manchester team, certainly when it is in a big game? Your postcode is now 100% irrelevant to the appointing process, it is purely based on who you support. And quite rightly as people don't just support their local clubs as used to be more the case, they often support clubs nowhere near where they currently live.

I agree I have no interest in the most local team to where I live now or where I was born

No doubt some people will look at and use the location of the referees as an excuse if they make a perceived bad decision

Would be interesting to see if Jarred Gillett is ever appointed to an english team in european games/ national team once he gets his fifa badge(Should be next) considering he is Australian

Leggy · « **Reply #24 on:** Tue 05 Apr 2022 18:30 »

Quote from: jacksamuel21 on Tue 05 Apr 2022 18:13

Quote from: rustyref on Tue 05 Apr 2022 17:30
How many times does the same thing need to be said, it comes up every single time Taylor gets a Manchester team, certainly when it is in a big game? Your postcode is now 100% irrelevant to the appointing process, it is purely based on who you support. And quite rightly as people don't just support their local clubs as used to be more the case, they often support clubs nowhere near where they currently live.

I agree I have no interest in the most local team to where I live now or where I was born

No doubt some people will look at and use the location of the referees as an excuse if they make a perceived bad decision

Would be interesting to see if Jarred Gillett is ever appointed to an english team in european games/ national team once he gets his fifa badge(Should be next) considering he is Australian

He won't because he will be an English FA nominated referee and he is employed, managed and remunerated by a company that has the English FA as a significant shareholder.

jacksamuel21 · « **Reply #25 on:** Tue 05 Apr 2022 18:33 »

Quote from: Leggy on Tue 05 Apr 2022 18:30

Quote from: jacksamuel21 on Tue 05 Apr 2022 18:13
Quote from: rustyref on Tue 05 Apr 2022 17:30
How many times does the same thing need to be said, it comes up every single time Taylor gets a Manchester team, certainly when it is in a big game? Your postcode is now 100% irrelevant to the appointing process, it is purely based on who you support. And quite rightly as people don't just support their local clubs as used to be more the case, they often support clubs nowhere near where they currently live.

I agree I have no interest in the most local team to where I live now or where I was born

No doubt some people will look at and use the location of the referees as an excuse if they make a perceived bad decision

Would be interesting to see if Jarred Gillett is ever appointed to an english team in european games/ national team once he gets his fifa badge(Should be next) considering he is Australian

He won't because he will be an English FA nominated referee and he is employed, managed and remunerated by a company that has the English FA as a significant shareholder.

Thats the same then as Chris Kavanagh being part of the Manchester FA is it not?

Badger · « **Reply #26 on:** Tue 05 Apr 2022 19:11 »

I know it’s not quite so high level but I live in Doddington (PE150TW) and I was appointed to March Town (PE158HS) on the Eastern Counties Premier. It’s 5 miles from my house to there.

Claretman · « **Reply #27 on:** Tue 05 Apr 2022 19:49 »

Quote from: rustyref on Tue 05 Apr 2022 17:30

How many times does the same thing need to be said, it comes up every single time Taylor gets a Manchester team, certainly when it is in a big game? Your postcode is now 100% irrelevant to the appointing process, it is purely based on who you support. And quite rightly as people don't just support their local clubs as used to be more the case, they often support clubs nowhere near where they currently live.

Have to agree on the local clubs thing, i support a team 130 miles from where i live and have never
Moved from my county. Some people move for their job and still support the team whete they used to live, i think mr moss and mr friend are examples of this.

Claretman · « **Reply #28 on:** Tue 05 Apr 2022 19:51 »

Quote from: ajb95 on Tue 05 Apr 2022 16:26

Quote from: Phil42 on Tue 05 Apr 2022 13:54
Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 05 Apr 2022 12:08
Well no surprise the big hitters out for both games.

Good to see Graham Scott pick up a decent fixture too.

Not hating on Scott here, but why oh why are referees who, let's be honest, don't have much of a future in SG1 (or at least wouldn't if we had some competent management in charge), continue to pick up decent matches, when you have the likes of Gillett sitting in Stockley Park (yet again). It makes no sense to me!

He’s hardly had any games never mind “top matches”. He’s only had about 3 games on TV as well

Best wishes to mr scott, hope he has a good game. I guess with the amount of games he has had
During this season it must de difficult to get into a rhythm.
Thought this game would have mike deam written on it, so surprised to see scott get it

rustyref · « **Reply #29 on:** Tue 05 Apr 2022 19:53 »

Quote from: jacksamuel21 on Tue 05 Apr 2022 18:33

Quote from: Leggy on Tue 05 Apr 2022 18:30
Quote from: jacksamuel21 on Tue 05 Apr 2022 18:13
Quote from: rustyref on Tue 05 Apr 2022 17:30
How many times does the same thing need to be said, it comes up every single time Taylor gets a Manchester team, certainly when it is in a big game? Your postcode is now 100% irrelevant to the appointing process, it is purely based on who you support. And quite rightly as people don't just support their local clubs as used to be more the case, they often support clubs nowhere near where they currently live.

I agree I have no interest in the most local team to where I live now or where I was born

No doubt some people will look at and use the location of the referees as an excuse if they make a perceived bad decision

Would be interesting to see if Jarred Gillett is ever appointed to an english team in european games/ national team once he gets his fifa badge(Should be next) considering he is Australian

He won't because he will be an English FA nominated referee and he is employed, managed and remunerated by a company that has the English FA as a significant shareholder.

Thats the same then as Chris Kavanagh being part of the Manchester FA is it not?

To reiterate, again, where you live has zero impact on what teams you referee in England. I don't really understand why you are finding this concept so difficult to understand when you have been told by multiple people about it.

Of course it is different for FIFA appointments, as a referee is listed as being from the national association that nominated them. So you are hardly going to see "Jared Gillett (England)" listed as a referee for England vs Spain or Liverpool vs Real Madrid. Whereas for domestic games they don't even publish where the officials are from anymore, and the vast majority of supporters won't have a clue where a referee is from. Their home town used to be listed in the programme, and even appeared as a caption on MoTD, but that hasn't been done for years now. In fact Gillett is probably the perfect argument against the old postcode rule, I think I am right in saying when he first moved to England he lived in Liverpool as was a PHD student at the University there (and may still be), yet presumably has no connection to either Liverpool based teams so why should he be barred from refereeing them. It would have been similar for me, I moved to London in my early 20s but grew up in and support a Yorkshire based team. Under the old rules I would have been banned from refereeing all London based teams (had I made it to that level obviously), yet I could have refereed Leeds, Bradford, Rotherham, Doncaster, Sheffield United, etc. The old system was an absolute nonsense.

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