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Re: National League Premier - 2020/21
« Reply #60 on: Sun 20 Jun 2021 16:32 »
Interesting  handling of the injured Torquay player who seemingly refused to go off.
It seems that they started to stitch the injury whilst he was still on the FoP
Is that one of the criteria included in questions in the promotion interview....and would Simon have passed?
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Re: National League Premier - 2020/21
« Reply #61 on: Sun 20 Jun 2021 16:42 »
I can only assume that the medics said he couldn't / shouldn't be moved.
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Re: National League Premier - 2020/21
« Reply #62 on: Sun 20 Jun 2021 17:08 »
Well done to Hartlepool and commiserations to Torquay.
It was a good game for the neutral and both teams gaver their all to achieve League status once again. Extra time after the Torquay keeper scored an equaliser in added time. Went to penalties and the first 4 were all missed and it went to sudden death with Hartlepool winning through.

I suppose that I will have to watch the elite players falling over now in the Euros!
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Re: National League Premier - 2020/21
« Reply #63 on: Sun 20 Jun 2021 17:15 »
Quote from: carrowman on Sun 20 Jun 2021 16:02
Only seen last ten minutes of the game, with Torquay one down and going into six minutes of injury time, failed to send off Torquay player for 2nd yellow, when he showed clear dissent by slamming the ball down when decision went against him, only for Torquay's goalkeeper to equalise with two minutes left ala Becker. Extra time could be interesting.
Agree about the second YC but it looked to me as though the Torquay player was fouled first?
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Re: National League Premier - 2020/21
« Reply #64 on: Sun 20 Jun 2021 17:50 »
Quote from: Boz on Sun 20 Jun 2021 17:15
Quote from: carrowman on Sun 20 Jun 2021 16:02
Only seen last ten minutes of the game, with Torquay one down and going into six minutes of injury time, failed to send off Torquay player for 2nd yellow, when he showed clear dissent by slamming the ball down when decision went against him, only for Torquay's goalkeeper to equalise with two minutes left ala Becker. Extra time could be interesting.
Agree about the second YC but it looked to me as though the Torquay player was fouled first?

Also I think you have to take into account the magnitude of the game.  It was a really competitive high stakes game, you don't really want to be giving someone a second caution for dissent.  Stupid and risky action by the player, but I think the referee will be backed for his use of common sense there.
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Re: National League Premier - 2020/21
« Reply #65 on: Sun 20 Jun 2021 18:20 »
Quote from: rustyref on Sun 20 Jun 2021 17:50
Quote from: Boz on Sun 20 Jun 2021 17:15
Quote from: carrowman on Sun 20 Jun 2021 16:02
Only seen last ten minutes of the game, with Torquay one down and going into six minutes of injury time, failed to send off Torquay player for 2nd yellow, when he showed clear dissent by slamming the ball down when decision went against him, only for Torquay's goalkeeper to equalise with two minutes left ala Becker. Extra time could be interesting.
Agree about the second YC but it looked to me as though the Torquay player was fouled first?

Also I think you have to take into account the magnitude of the game.  It was a really competitive high stakes game, you don't really want to be giving someone a second caution for dissent.  Stupid and risky action by the player, but I think the referee will be backed for his use of common sense there.

Whilst I agree you don't really want to, at that level I don't think common sense is allowed, especially when by all accounts he is on the verge of promotion to the EFL you would expect him to correctly follow the rules. The fact that Torquay then played extra time with 11 men could have been crucial, probably lucky for him Hartlepool still won.
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Re: National League Premier - 2020/21
« Reply #66 on: Sun 20 Jun 2021 19:19 »
Quote from: carrowman on Sun 20 Jun 2021 18:20
Quote from: rustyref on Sun 20 Jun 2021 17:50
Quote from: Boz on Sun 20 Jun 2021 17:15
Quote from: carrowman on Sun 20 Jun 2021 16:02
Only seen last ten minutes of the game, with Torquay one down and going into six minutes of injury time, failed to send off Torquay player for 2nd yellow, when he showed clear dissent by slamming the ball down when decision went against him, only for Torquay's goalkeeper to equalise with two minutes left ala Becker. Extra time could be interesting.
Agree about the second YC but it looked to me as though the Torquay player was fouled first?

Also I think you have to take into account the magnitude of the game.  It was a really competitive high stakes game, you don't really want to be giving someone a second caution for dissent.  Stupid and risky action by the player, but I think the referee will be backed for his use of common sense there.

Whilst I agree you don't really want to, at that level I don't think common sense is allowed, especially when by all accounts he is on the verge of promotion to the EFL you would expect him to correctly follow the rules. The fact that Torquay then played extra time with 11 men could have been crucial, probably lucky for him Hartlepool still won.

Play off finals are in effect cup finals, and we've seen for many years that referees are often much more lenient in those games.
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Re: National League Premier - 2020/21
« Reply #67 on: Sun 20 Jun 2021 20:06 »
Quote from: Charlieboy on Sun 20 Jun 2021 17:55
I genuinely thought the referee was dreadful, he clearly played a deciding role in this match and that isn't his job , the two disallowed goals would not have been free kicks anywhere else on the field based on how he refereed the rest of the match , it should have been 10 v 10 with the foul on Moxy as clear a red you will ever see and he then bottled the second yellow for the Torquay player . His signals were unfathomable for most of the match and his strutting body language looked lazy . If this guy is in the efl next season it would be a travesty.
I was at the game , admittedly I did spend some of it the bar (!) , but I thought the ref was poor.
The disallowed goal in the 8th minute was disgraceful.
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Re: National League Premier - 2020/21
« Reply #68 on: Tue 22 Jun 2021 12:48 »
Quote from: REDSTRIPE on Sun 20 Jun 2021 20:06
Quote from: Charlieboy on Sun 20 Jun 2021 17:55
I genuinely thought the referee was dreadful, he clearly played a deciding role in this match and that isn't his job , the two disallowed goals would not have been free kicks anywhere else on the field based on how he refereed the rest of the match , it should have been 10 v 10 with the foul on Moxy as clear a red you will ever see and he then bottled the second yellow for the Torquay player . His signals were unfathomable for most of the match and his strutting body language looked lazy . If this guy is in the efl next season it would be a travesty.
I was at the game , admittedly I did spend some of it the bar (!) , but I thought the ref was poor.
The disallowed goal in the 8th minute was disgraceful.

With a very limited number of tickets, I am disappointed that one of them found its way to someone who preferred to spend some of the game in the bar.

I do agree with you however. With his decisions (at least a couple of which were unfathomable) and manner, he made an otherwise memorable match too much about him.

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