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JP Doyle Redundant
« on: Thu 20 Aug 2020 10:30 »
The Times reports that elite and international RU referee J P Doyle has been made redundant by the RFU.  One of 10 elite referees Doyle is second oldest, only Wayne Barnes being older, and a premiership ref since 2006 has a right of appeal.  It seems a strange decision and it would be interesting to hear the reasons as 'last in, first out'  is still regarded as the main criterion.  Perhaps one or two PGMOL employees will follow this with interest with maybe  the likes of Atkinson feeling a bit vulnerable!
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Re: JP Doyle Redundant
« Reply #1 on: Thu 20 Aug 2020 21:02 »
As JP is one of the more articulate referees around these days, I hope he'll find a media position sooner rather than later. Unfortunately he had his own unique style which, whilst creating more enjoyable games to spectate (& probably play in), made him more susceptible to die-hards who don't like personalities. He's not the first (James Jones from Wales a few seasons ago) & he won't be the last. Whether there are "better candidates" depends on whether others might make it onto world rugby listing - JP has been there, done it, & then lost his position almost certainly down to his Irish background and Mr Rolland. Whether Spreaders backed him or sacked him will remain to be seen.
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Re: JP Doyle Redundant
« Reply #3 on: Sat 22 Aug 2020 15:23 »
Unfortunately his drop off the international scene has probably been his undoing.
Barnes, Pearce, Carley and Dickson all went to World Cup, so would be ring fenced.
Next cohort would include Foley, Maxwell-Keys and Ridley all of whom have international potential.
To me the weakest referee in the Prem is Tempest, but he is an international referee within the womens game, attending the last WWC. I guess this has maintained his position thus far.
I would hope the Pro 14 do come and get the Irishman, Greg Garner worked with JP so knows first hand how good he is.
I wonder how many pork buffets/hotel rooms/other perks he was worth.
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Re: JP Doyle Redundant
« Reply #4 on: Tue 25 Aug 2020 15:59 »
The handling of all this leaves a lot to be desired but the roots of this go back to before Covid when ERFU was struggling financially. Expenses were being cut at grass root level, staff made redundant, coaches expenses and such like slashed. Referees mileage was capped so if you travelled further to get good games, you only got a capped mileage. IMHO ERFU finances should be investigated by the appropriate Parliamentary Select Committee. Grass root rugby is suffering through mismanagement and in particular the overspend in developing Twickenham. I guess developing the women’s game too is expensive at a time when money is short. I can imagine top referees wishing to continue to be appointed to the big games having to take a pay cut and JP saying foxtrot oscar.... JP is good but he was unpopular and arrogant and it came over in his refereeing.

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Re: JP Doyle Redundant
« Reply #5 on: Tue 25 Aug 2020 19:41 »
Several current and former top flight players (Andy Goode, Conor Gilsenan, Jerry Flannery) have come out asking RFU to reconsider, saying he will be missed and that Pro14 should snap him up - so not sure where the idea came that he is widely disliked.

Think he's a great ref who lets the game flow

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Re: JP Doyle Redundant
« Reply #6 on: Tue 01 Sep 2020 09:29 »
From watching clips of his refereeing, as well as various interviews and one or two other pieces, he comes across as a very likeable person with no hint of arrogance. Poor of the RFU to be making him redundant and scrapping England Sevens while its Council refuse to cut back on their own expenses.
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Re: JP Doyle Redundant
« Reply #7 on: Tue 01 Sep 2020 20:40 »
There's a recent BBC rugby podcast which includes several minutes of conversation with JP, who gives very little away. The one thing that baffles me is that, unless I am mistaken, JP is now unable to referee although I assume that means that he isn't able to be appointed by the RFU whether as referee or assistant referee or TMO. Perhaps employment rules are unyielding. How that leaves JP being able to be appointed to referee below L4 is hypothetical as grass-roots rugby won't be resuming for several more weeks/months, but I do wonder whether the RFU can dictate.