+-

+-User

Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
 
 
 

Login with your social network

Forgot your password?

+-Stats ezBlock

Members
Total Members: 840
Latest: Azza
New This Month: 2
New This Week: 2
New Today: 2
Stats
Total Posts: 66522
Total Topics: 4984
Most Online Today: 67
Most Online Ever: 17046
(Mon 29 Mar 2021 19:08)
Users Online
Members: 3
Guests: 17
Total: 20

Author Topic: Rugby League World Cup  (Read 1637 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

Wollongong Ref

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 127
    • View Profile
Re: Rugby League World Cup
« Reply #15 on: Fri 04 Nov 2022 10:19 »
Based on appointments to the final series of the NRL Grant Atkinson is our number two. 
But referees arenít appointed by the NRL at this comp so I hope they are appointing on merit.   We will be in trouble though if it is a Austral vEnand final and they go with neutrals

Alfie75

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 226
    • View Profile
Re: Rugby League World Cup
« Reply #16 on: Fri 04 Nov 2022 11:55 »
For me Klein has been very good and probably deserves his second WC Final (I think Stuart Cummins is the only other to get 2 finals). I think Atkinson & Kendall were quite fussy. I like Sutton's style and Moore has been OK.

BabyRef

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 349
    • View Profile
Re: Rugby League World Cup
« Reply #17 on: Fri 04 Nov 2022 13:02 »
Klein would be a sensible appointment for an England-Australia final I think (I doubt they'd use an inexperienced neutral ref) - he's Australian but has spent lots of time refereeing in England and is used to their style of play.

BabyRef

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 349
    • View Profile
Re: Rugby League World Cup
« Reply #18 on: Sun 06 Nov 2022 18:45 »
Thoughts for semi finals?

I'd suggest AUS-NZL: Liam Moore
ENG - SAMOA: Ashley Klein

Then Klein for the final. Thought he was very good in a tough QF today and he would be a good 'neutral' choice for an ENG-AUS final given his English connections - I can't see them going for a neutral official given the lack of experienced officials. 

Also in both 2013 and 2017 a semi final referee took the final as well.

Alfie75

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 226
    • View Profile
Re: Rugby League World Cup
« Reply #19 on: Sun 06 Nov 2022 22:57 »
I'd expect those appointments to be made and tbh, both the number 1 refs in the NRL & SL were you picks for the final 3 matches.

Alfie75

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 226
    • View Profile
Re: Rugby League World Cup
« Reply #20 on: Tue 08 Nov 2022 12:04 »
Semi's have been announced with Klein & Sutton getting the nod!
So, does that mean Moore for the final or it's between the 2 semi final refs?

Men's semi-finals
Friday 11 November
Australia v New Zealand, Elland Road, Leeds, 7.45pm
Referee: Ashley Klein
Touch judges: Warren Turley and Wyatt Raymond
Reserve referee: Grant Atkins
Video ref: Chris Kendall

Saturday 12 November
England v Samoa, Emirates Stadium, London, 2.30pm
Referee: Gerard Sutton
Touch judges: Jack Smith and Darian Furner
Reserve referee: Liam Moore
Video ref: Adam Gee

Women's Round 3 matches
Wednesday 9 November
Canada v Brazil, Headingley Stadium, Leeds, 5pm
Referee: Michael Smaill
Touch judges: Dean Bowmer and Geoffrey Poumes
Reserve referee: Adam Gee James Vella
Video ref: James Vella

England v Papua New Guinea, Headingley Stadium, Leeds, 7.30pm
Referee: Ben Casty
Touch judges: Rochelle Tamarua and Aaron Moore
Reserve referee: Tom Grant
Video ref: James Child

Thursday 10 November
France v Cook Islands, LNER Community Stadium, York, 5pm
Referee: Ben Thaler
Touch judges: Marcus Griffiths and Belinda Sharpe
Reserve referee: Neil Horton
Video ref: Grant Atkins

Australia v New Zealand,  LNER Community Stadium, York, 7.30pm
Referee: Todd Smith
Touch judges: Paki Pakinson and Robert Hicks
Reserve referee: Liam Rush
Video ref: Kasey Badger

AFAref

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 129
    • View Profile
Re: Rugby League World Cup
« Reply #21 on: Wed 09 Nov 2022 18:48 »
That was obviously the pay off for Moore refereeing England last week, so Australia could have the semi and Final referees.

Moore is England's number one, but he's not that experienced in international rugby, mainly due to the lack of it over the last 3 years, so they wouldn't want to take the risk in a semi final.

For me Klein gets his 2nd final whoever is in it. In my opinion he was fortunate to get it in 2008 when an Australia Vs New Zealand allowed for a neutral "English" referee for the final. It was him, Ganson or the Frenchman Alibert as neutral. But he is by far the top referee in the world and deserves the final.

As previously mentioned, his experience in England sort of helps with the neutrality argument should it be an England Vs Australia final, but having been at the 2000 WC opener when England played Australia in the first game at Twickenham which was refereed by the inexperienced Pakieto from New Zealand, you do need the best referee to do a World Cup Final.

If it was football, you wouldn't put a National League referee on a WC final and that would be the equivalent of using someone not English or Australian on this one.

I look forward to watching Mr Sutton in the flesh this Saturday and then Mr Klein in the final. Although I have met Mr Klein, and had a beer with him (I think he was on soft drinks to be fair) many many years ago when he was a London RL referee before he got on Super League
 

BabyRef

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 349
    • View Profile
Re: Rugby League World Cup
« Reply #22 on: Wed 09 Nov 2022 22:09 »
Good insight AFAref. I feel like Ben Thaler would have enough international experience to do a semi final but he has been mysteriously sidelined in this tournament for some reason!

Hendo

  • RTR Veterans
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1,178
    • View Profile
Re: Rugby League World Cup
« Reply #23 on: Wed 09 Nov 2022 22:30 »
Good insight AFAref. I feel like Ben Thaler would have enough international experience to do a semi final but he has been mysteriously sidelined in this tournament for some reason!

Thaler imho is still our best referee but has been mysteriously sidelined most of this season to be honest, as well as in this competition. I get the feeling Ganson (for whom I personally have little time) has a downer on him for reasons I canít fathom.
Incidentally I see a lot of similarities between Ganson and Hackett - both average referees who were not as good as they think they were and both leaving much to be desired in their dealings with folk

AFAref

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 129
    • View Profile
Re: Rugby League World Cup
« Reply #24 on: Thu 10 Nov 2022 06:42 »
Good insight AFAref. I feel like Ben Thaler would have enough international experience to do a semi final but he has been mysteriously sidelined in this tournament for some reason!

There is an International panel of referees, just like the ICC cricket list, and England gets 3 nominations. This is then supplemented by additional Super League referees for lower ranked internationals. The England nominations are Hicks, Kendall and Moore, so Thaler was never in the equation to get a "big" Men's game at the tournament.

Stuart Cummins is in charge of the International list and appointments. 

Alfie75

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 226
    • View Profile
Re: Rugby League World Cup
« Reply #25 on: Thu 10 Nov 2022 08:49 »
I recall the news about the international panel but as soon as it was announced it went very quiet. We haven't heard a thing from Stuart Cummins at all which I find very strange.
Maybe some RL experts can add some light on this ?

BabyRef

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 349
    • View Profile
Re: Rugby League World Cup
« Reply #26 on: Thu 10 Nov 2022 12:48 »
Good insight AFAref. I feel like Ben Thaler would have enough international experience to do a semi final but he has been mysteriously sidelined in this tournament for some reason!

There is an International panel of referees, just like the ICC cricket list, and England gets 3 nominations. This is then supplemented by additional Super League referees for lower ranked internationals. The England nominations are Hicks, Kendall and Moore, so Thaler was never in the equation to get a "big" Men's game at the tournament.

Stuart Cummins is in charge of the International list and appointments.

I understand - but my query was more about why he wasn't put on the International Panel in the first place. He has done several international games involving England, New Zealand and Australia before and he could easily handle big World Cup games in my opinion

AFAref

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 129
    • View Profile
Re: Rugby League World Cup
« Reply #27 on: Fri 11 Nov 2022 21:33 »
Wow, what a 1st semi final, and Mr Klein showing why he is the world number one
Agree Agree x 1 View List

ajb95

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,252
    • View Profile
Re: Rugby League World Cup
« Reply #28 on: Fri 11 Nov 2022 23:17 »
Never been an avid fan of rugby league but this World Cup has been fantastic! The game tonight was incredible, the fitness and stamina of those lads out there. I can say I 100% understand the rules but the referee dealt with all the bad-tempered moments well. Shame NZ couldnt hold on

BabyRef

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 349
    • View Profile
Re: Rugby League World Cup
« Reply #29 on: Sat 12 Nov 2022 14:40 »
Very positive write up about Klein's performance last night on the BBC - surely odds on for the final now?

-------------------------------

You know it's been a good game when even the referee is being praised. Tempers flared a couple of times in the second half but Ashley Klein chose not to send anyone to the sin-bin.

"I thought he was outstanding," said Jones-Buchanan. "He was quick, concise, accurate and he didn't invite himself into the game, and the game just kept flowing. It was a really well-officiated game."

Klein began officiating in England but was born in Australia and has been refereeing in the NRL for more than 10 years.

"I was arguing that it should've been a neutral referee but I take that all back," Hunter-Paul added. "He had a wonderful game."

"If we're going to show people how we want the game to look, and how we want it to be officiated, show them that game," said Wilkin.

"For me, who's watched thousands of rugby league games, I struggle sometimes to really get entertained by a game. I've watched that and been blown away - I've got goosebumps, I'm excited. The quality of it was amazing."