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Rugby Autumn Internationals
« on: Fri 15 Oct 2021 19:01 »
https://www.world.rugby/the-game/high-performance/officiating/661533

Some excellent and varied appointments as the rugby world work towards the next World Cup.

More comment once I have worked through them all

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Re: Rugby Autumn Internationals
« Reply #1 on: Sat 16 Oct 2021 08:38 »
https://www.world.rugby/the-game/high-performance/officiating/661533

Some excellent and varied appointments as the rugby world work towards the next World Cup.

More comment once I have worked through them all

Agreed RCG. It’s good to see a few new and up and coming refs being given a chance and most travel restrictions now being lifted. Thought Ben Blain might have been given a chance but I am sure his time will come.
Delighted to see Angus Gardner back to full fitness seemingly. The only downside from my point of view is England v Australia - Jaco Peyper 😡

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« Reply #2 on: Sun 17 Oct 2021 11:22 »
Agreed, some fascinating appointments!
Here's my take on things. If we go with the 12/7/4 as in previous years then I would expect to see the following in France that are pretty much certainties as referees:
1. Barnes (cements himself as still the no1 referee in the world IMHO).
2. Berry
3. Brace
4. Gardner
5. O Keefe
6. Pearce
7. Peyper
8. Poite
9. Raynal
10. Williams
I'm 80% sure we will also see 1 of either Carley or Dickson there as well.  I just can't see 4 English referees at the tournament so, 1 of those 2 will either miss out or move to an AR role. Meaning that there is certainly 1 place up for grabs and possibly 2 (may have a surprise between now and the next WC). Judging by recent appointments and this set, from the NH, 2 people spring to mind with Adamson (what an appointment with Wales v Australia) & Murphy. I think they may well be pushing Adamson more at the moment.
In the SH, the 3 that stick out are Doleman, Pickerill & Jacobs. It may be too early for Jacobs and I have a feeling we may just see 3 NZ referees on the panel with the edge possibly going IMHO to Doleman.
So my picks would be 11 Carley & 12 Doleman (but this is really tight).
I think that there is a huge pool to choose from in the AR panel and really hard to narrow down to the 7. But, as it stands, I would go for the following:
1. Amashukeli (Great set of appointments for him in this window)
2. Brousset
3. Evans
4. Jacobs
5. Murphy (Aus)
6. Dickson or Ridley
7. Really open and up for anyone from potentially Doleman (if not picked as ref), Pickerill, Grove-White, Busby, Piardi, Murphy (Ire).
With TMO's it's so difficult right now but again, I think we may be moving away from specific function.
1. Jonker
2. Gauzins
3. Pickerill - been used a lot in this role and I think this is where WR see him.
4. Anyone's guess - Again judging by appointments recently then we may see Foley, Whitehouse MacNeice or Neville.
Just some other points:
- Neville (or any female) not used in this set of appointments which is interesting (Maybe due to women's internationals too.
- Ridley is the clear next English representative. Really not sure what Maxwell-Keys has done, but he's just not getting a look-in under Jutge.
- Raynal now the clear French no1.
- Gardner has been injured true, but so has Poite. Why the need for 3 appointments is unclear and I would like to have seen someone else with the Romania v Uruguay fixture.
- Still not convinced yet with Adamson, WR seem to like him and see him for bigger things.
I think we will see the SH refs featuring more in the latter stages of the next WC.
Overall WR have got the balance right and a very exciting set of fixtures ahead. Can't wait!!

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« Reply #3 on: Sun 17 Oct 2021 12:20 »
A very thorough assessment there Alfie and I agree with you on the vast majority of it.
Given that its unlikely that 2 SA refs will be in the 12 (if thats how WR go) then I think there will be a 7/5 split NH/SH

Wayne Barnes
Mathieu Raynal
Andrew Brace
Luke Pearce
Romain Poite
Mike Adamson
Plus 1 Carley/Dickson

Angus Gardner
Nic Berry
Ben O'Keefe
Paul Williams
Jaco Peyper

However, imho given that there are (usually) only 5 or 6 games that affect who gets through to QFs I think you could blood more referees, keeping the bigger names back.

I would have top 8 do 2 (or maybe 3) games each, with another 8 referees picking up the rest.

Barnes, Pearce, Raynal and Brace
Gardner, Peyper, Williams plus Berry or O'Keefe.

Give Brousset, Evans, Busby, Dickson, Jacobs, Pickerill etc sond T1 v T2 experience.


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« Reply #4 on: Sun 17 Oct 2021 12:42 »
Yep I think we may well see Adamson & 1 English ref out of Dickson/Carley get the nod judging by the appointments meaning a 7/5 split for the NH as we have seen in recent editions. And factor in it's in France so, maybe Doleman dropped for AR duties.
I really don't think the WR will change their approach too much with 40 pool games most will get 3 group appointments and the younger less experienced officials with 4.
Generally, the opening match referee has received 4 appointments in the group stages and is usually from the same country that officiated the final the previous tournament. So, it will be interesting to see who gets the nod in 2023 given that Garces did the final and France v NZ is the first match. My bet would be Gardner or Pearce/Barnes!

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Re: Rugby Autumn Internationals
« Reply #5 on: Sun 17 Oct 2021 13:26 »
I shall look forward to reporting live from a few of the games 😍

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« Reply #6 on: Tue 19 Oct 2021 11:35 »
Carley and Pearce with middles/touch judge appointments

barnes with an all English team but no game after France/New Zealand

Dickson hopefully will do enough for selection for next years wc in France same for Carley and Pearce hopefully an English t.m.o for the French World Cup as well

any thoughts?

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« Reply #7 on: Tue 19 Oct 2021 17:16 »
Carley and Pearce with middles/touch judge appointments

barnes with an all English team but no game after France/New Zealand

Dickson hopefully will do enough for selection for next years wc in France same for Carley and Pearce hopefully an English t.m.o for the French World Cup as well

any thoughts?



I think WR know Wayne's capabilities with 4 World Cup under his belt it's not really about how he performs (to a degree) if it's he wants to go (it's clear he does at this stage). He has IMHO the top game of the tournament which shows just how much faith WR has in him. He is the number 1 ref for WR - his place for me is pretty much guaranteed. No need to appoint him to further games and best to give others a run about.

As I said, just can't see 4 English refs going to the tournament all in the middle - 1 will miss out altogether or work as an AR and for me it's between Carley & Dickson. If you judge by these sets of appointments which is probably right, Dickson may well find himself as the number 4 choice (again probably right).

TMO appointments are really difficult to judge - I actually don't think we will see an English TMO if I'm honest if we go by previous number of 4.

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Re: Rugby Autumn Internationals
« Reply #8 on: Sun 31 Oct 2021 10:04 »
barnes Pearce and Carley as refs for World Cup with Dickson as t.m.o? or take foley as he's done a few t.m.o games in the prem alongside barnes?

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« Reply #9 on: Sun 31 Oct 2021 21:45 »
barnes Pearce and Carley as refs for World Cup with Dickson as t.m.o? or take foley as he's done a few t.m.o games in the prem alongside barnes?

Barnes and Pearce yes but please, please not Carley

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« Reply #10 on: Sat 06 Nov 2021 11:21 »
barnes Pearce and Dickson with foley as t.m.o

do we think Craig evans will go as well?

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« Reply #11 on: Sun 07 Nov 2021 11:34 »
This is going to be interesting now after Romain's retirement.
Watching all 4 games (recovering from a hangover) yesterday, I thought Dickson made a poor decision with the first Italy penalty award as opposed to waiting to see what would develop, costing a potential try. I actually thought that he seemed very nervous and didn't fill me with confidence.
Craig Evans on the other hand I thought was very good generally and looked very assured in his handling of the game. I liked his style and he has done himself no harm at all.
No real issues for Williams in his game, whilst O Keefe was strong in his approach which I liked and showed me why I feel he is still NZ's number 1.
We could now have a 6/6 split in 2023 and I wouldn't be surprised to see Adamson/Evans battle it out for the NH spot whilst Doleman/AJ Jacobs for the SH spot.
I'm still very undecided about the Carley/Dickson dilemma as both didn't have the best of outings in their previous games. I'd still give the nod to Carley purely on experience (which will be needed).


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Re: Rugby Autumn Internationals
« Reply #12 on: Sun 07 Nov 2021 15:34 »
Once again Alfie I agree with virtually everything you have written.
Ita v NZ 2nd XV was a poor game and yes, delay the whistle and Italy would have had a try. Thought any ref would have struggled to look good.
Tonga ran out of steam and consequently gave away more and more penalties but Evans maintained his level and consistency, hopefully a 6N debut on the cards.
Williams was fine, like his relaxed, conversational style.
O'Keefe was very good, strong, decisive and clear. Was impressed, as I have been in the past.

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« Reply #13 on: Sun 07 Nov 2021 22:34 »
Yep agree with those comments and we should see Evans with a 6N game if he has a chance for the WC IMO.

Next weekend will be interesting with Pearce, Berry, Gardner & Peyper on the biggies.  Away from that, I think for the refs, big extremely important games for Doleman, Adamson & Damon Murphy - Be interesting to see how they perform!!

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« Reply #14 on: Sat 13 Nov 2021 11:02 »
so with the World Cup next year barnes is a definite plus 2/3 other British representatives with a English t.m.o?