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Author Topic: Matt Carley - Scotland v Wales  (Read 417 times)

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Matt Carley - Scotland v Wales
« on: Sat 13 Feb 2021 20:37 »
I have no patriotism either way but feel Carleys red card decision today was poor. The TMO on more than one occasion suggested, quite rightly in my opinion, mitigating factors and was leading him towards a yellow but Carley seemed determined not to listen and couldn’t wait to go red. It was certainly a game changing decision.
I have never rated Carley personally. He seems to be very dictatorial in his refereeing and has a lack of rapport with the players which the likes of Barnes, Gardner and Owen have in abundance.
Maybe my more esteemed Rugby colleagues such as RCG have a different view on this.

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Re: Matt Carley - Scotland v Wales
« Reply #1 on: Sat 13 Feb 2021 21:47 »
When compared to O'Mahoney from last week I agree, the arm was tucked but wasnt the full on assault. Karl Dickson certainly tried to get it as a yellow. I actually thought point of contact was top of chest/neck.
He is more school teacher than firm social worker.

There was a head on head collision in Exeter v L Irish and the Irish player was dismissed as he made no effort to lower his height.
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Re: Matt Carley - Scotland v Wales
« Reply #2 on: Sun 14 Feb 2021 10:12 »
the incident yesterday was not a red and Karl was recommending yellow but Carley had to give a red even the bbc pundits commentating said it was a yellow at best and not a red

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Re: Matt Carley - Scotland v Wales
« Reply #3 on: Sun 14 Feb 2021 16:45 »
Compare to Luke Pearce today who has been mercurial. Kudos also to TMO Foley for finding the pictures showing Irish boot in touch.
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Re: Matt Carley - Scotland v Wales
« Reply #4 on: Sun 14 Feb 2021 17:02 »
Compare to Luke Pearce today who has been mercurial. Kudos also to TMO Foley for finding the pictures showing Irish boot in touch.

Ha ha, beat me to it RCG. He has been absolutely outstanding, a sympathetic performance, very clear in his explanations and with a fantastic rapport with the players, unlike the cold, schoolmasterly Carley. (his French is very good too! I think it was Alain Rolland, for obvious reasons, who was the first bilingual ref)
A natural successor to the excellent Wayne Barnes as and when he decides to step down.
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Re: Matt Carley - Scotland v Wales
« Reply #5 on: Sun 14 Feb 2021 17:55 »
Going back rather further, Midi-Olympique was always complimentary about John West's French.
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Re: Matt Carley - Scotland v Wales
« Reply #6 on: Sun 14 Feb 2021 19:56 »
I watched the Ireland France match this afternoon. I wouldn't agree that Luke Pearce's performance was mercurial ( " subject to sudden or unpredictable changes of mood or mind " )  I thought he was outstandingly and consistently good in the way he controlled the match. I don't know enough about the technical side of rugby refereeing to comment on individual decisions but Pearce seemed to have far more of a feel for the match and much better communication skills than Carley yesterday. Also, I have rarely watched any match of any sport where the commentary team were so unstinting and frequent in their praise for a match official. It was really noticeable and, from what I could judge, thoroughly deserved.

I think Pearce is just a natural match official. I hope he goes on to have a marvellous career.
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Re: Matt Carley - Scotland v Wales
« Reply #7 on: Sun 14 Feb 2021 19:58 »
I see Pearce has France v Wales on the final day of the 6 Nations. Now that could be a very crucial match indeed.

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Re: Matt Carley - Scotland v Wales
« Reply #8 on: Wed 17 Feb 2021 23:07 »
Mid range offence and a 4 week ban from the disciplinary committee. Very, very harsh imho

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Re: Matt Carley - Scotland v Wales
« Reply #9 on: Thu 18 Feb 2021 07:26 »
This comment may be too simplistic - but, like it or not, World Rugby is determined to minimize head contact (too late some might say given the well-documented cases of dementia and other brain injuries for players both young & old). So, after Wales v Ireland, when a 3 week ban didn't have an impact one week later a similar incident results in a 4 week ban. And so on perhaps until the message gets through. You can draw a parallel with Warburton's dismissal in a WC SF - immediate reaction was very scathing about Alain Rolland's decision, but tip tackling is now (fortunately) extremely rare and players are in no doubt about the likely sanction. If there's a parallel in football then you can be sure that the football authorities are too weak - abusive/foul language for instance. Not that rugby authorities are perfect, the recent example of 3 professional players being banned for breaking lockdown rules should have resulted in a much lengthier ban.

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Re: Matt Carley - Scotland v Wales
« Reply #10 on: Sat 20 Feb 2021 20:16 »
3 week ban meant a 2 match suspension for miscreant. 4 week ban led to same outcome because of breaks in 6 Nations fixtures, I.e 2 match ban. Carley got it right, I cannot understand the fuss. Contact with the head is a no no especially when you run in from a distance. You must bind, player made no attempt.