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Apparently Russia are upset about a handball decision in the 57th min and have asked for Oliver to be made to take a lie detector test before being allowed to leave the country - info from a ordinarily very accurate member of the press so concerning. Surely if the Russian Fed try this the UEFA delegate will step in and say they do not have the authority to do so.

What is football coming to? I can go and give a character reference if needed and I'll bring his dad with me! Absolutely amazing and UEFA should kick the Russians  into touch!

I find it scandalous enough that they are allowed to subject their own referees to this but if this turns out to be correct info then for me it is a line too far being crossed. Hopefully it was just bluster on part of the federation in reaction to failing to beat the 'unworthy Magyars' on home soil and they will actually think about how ridiculous it is, take a step back and not pursue this.
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Do you recall the incident the Russians are complaining about bmb?  There was nothing in your earlier comments to suggest there was major controversy.

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Do you recall the incident the Russians are complaining about bmb?  There was nothing in your earlier comments to suggest there was major controversy.

I have no idea what they are talking about. No incidents of surrounding the ref protesting loudly against something not given, no countless replays on the Hungarian sports channel so it surprised me. The Fiola tackle I think it was 15 times we saw that on replay with our commentators sucking in their breath and saying what a bad boy Fiola had been so even if I missed it in real time the replays would have caught my attention. Have asked my media contacts there to send me footage of it but no response from them yet.  I did remark to TŁnde at the final whistle that Marco Rossi, shared a laugh with Michael Oliver at the end, something I have never really seen him do before. I don't recall any such incident and nor do any of the Hungarian media guys I have spoken to about this. Our TV guys are pretty good with highlighting incidents fairly - I've even checked on the anti referee media website to see if they mention it & they don't.  Heard from 3 different sources there now about the protest though, 1 guy who is on the board of directors at one of the big clubs & 2 journos, both well known there & normally accurate.
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Maybe the Russians would like to put their forward line through same process to see why they only had one shot on target?
Or maybe the truth is theyre not very good?
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Maybe the Russians would like to put their forward line through same process to see why they only had one shot on target?
Or maybe the truth is theyre not very good?

Doesn't fit with the Russian native that all referees are corrupt & the only corruption in football is via them!

Still no footage from my friends in Russia! Waiting for our sports channel to upload the game so I can look and see if I did miss something. No further feedback on a lie detector test, just a comment of clear mistake, missed penalty and YC oh and that he prefers gulyŠs to borscht! I did reply to that one who doesn't! ;)

I really don't know how any referees can work in those types of conditions - we moan over here but it's a completely different level of insanity there.
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"No further feedback on a lie detector test, just a comment of clear mistake, missed penalty and YC"

Sorry bmb, I'm not clear who's making that comment - Russia, Journalists, U.E.F.A. ?

I found a couple of summaries or 'as it happens' reports of the match and could find no reference to controversy.  Very strange.
If there was a 'missed penalty', I can't believe it would be as bad as the one awarded to Denmark in the England game.

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"No further feedback on a lie detector test, just a comment of clear mistake, missed penalty and YC"

Sorry bmb, I'm not clear who's making that comment - Russia, Journalists, U.E.F.A. ?


Sorry Ref Fan my unclear writing - I meant from the journalists I have been speaking with. They are the same guys who have told me many times of the time, date, place, who will be present etc for the ones the Russian refs have been subjected too and the results, well before they become public & have always been spot on with their info. One of them was quite concerned when he phoned me last night, he'd just come out of the post match briefing with the Russia manager & members of the Russian Federation & was concerned the effect of them pushing for this would have on Russia as a whole. He's been calling me between meetings keeping me updated but hasn't mentioned a lie detector test taking place. Via him I gather the Russian Federation have concluded there was a clear error and that was their basis for wanting a lie detector test.

Like you say nothing in any summary reports and I have been racking my brain trying to think of an incident.  I've spoken to about 10 Hungarian press guys, some of who were there, others who were watching the TV channel feed and none of them can remember anything happening as described by the Russians. Our TV guys might not be so good at getting decent angles but they're very good at doing replays of incidents and I don't recall any. Like I said above the Fiola tackle was replayed about 15 times and that was as stonewalled as they come, as our commentators pointed out, so they'd have done the same with anything controversial.
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Game is here but geoblocked so you will need a vpn

https://m4sport.hu/videok/uefa-labdarugo-nemzetek-ligaja-2020-oroszorszag-magyarorszag-merkozes

I've re-watched and not a clue what planet the Russians are on, there is nothing there!
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Many thanks for the update bmb.  I'm sure if there was anything untoward, you'd have spotted it, so hopefully we can conclude Michael Oliver had a decent game.
Anthony Taylor and Craig Pawson didn't have Russians to worry about but I trust their games went well too.

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This is what they are saying was a clear handball & pen.

The phrase clutching at straws springs to mind!

Personally I thought Mr Oliver was outstanding in the match.
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Well if that was the 57th minute incident, the 'as it happened' report just mentioned a shot being blocked.  Looks as if the player's arm was in front of his body with his back turned so can't believe it was making his body bigger at the moment the ball struck him.  And MO couldn't have had a better view! 

The Merseyside derby awaiting him might seem a light relief.

ps  Actually, that second shot isn't so clear cut but it's difficult to work out which direction the ball went after it struck the defender.
I guess you'd have to see it in real time or slo-mo to get a proper perspective.
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One more image & it still doesn't show contact.

My Russian man is telling me to not pause and because you can then see the deflection & I'm pointing out that any deflection is irrelevant without knowing the exact point of contact which is not necessarily his arm & they have not provided anything that clearly shows a handball!

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Looking at the angles, if the ball did strike the arm while it was outstretched, I suspect only the AR would get a view.

Did the Russians appeal strongly at the time?

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Looking at the angles, if the ball did strike the arm while it was outstretched, I suspect only the AR would get a view.

Did the Russians appeal strongly at the time?

The Russian player who kicked the ball flung his arms up briefly, then put them onto his head and then carried on, all in the space of about 2 seconds - no-one else even made a murmur. 
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