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I'd be interested if Edy, TTFL or anyone else knowledgeable on matters European think there is any chance of Cakir being demoted? It seems that Palabıyık is heading for elite to replace Cakir - I had thought this would be for when Cakir comes off the FIFA list but could this happen sooner? His appointments of late haven't been so great and we all know of his (imo ridiculous) "suspension". Surely though his elite spot is safe?

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What is with all the 'strange' fourth official appointments?!  ???

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I'd be interested if Edy, TTFL or anyone else knowledgeable on matters European think there is any chance of Cakir being demoted? It seems that Palabıyık is heading for elite to replace Cakir - I had thought this would be for when Cakir comes off the FIFA list but could this happen sooner? His appointments of late haven't been so great and we all know of his (imo ridiculous) "suspension". Surely though his elite spot is safe?

What I’m not sure about is whether Turkey can have two elite officials in their standings with UEFA.

I very much doubt Cakir will be demoted, there are many many elite officials who are well below him in the pecking order and no match in the ability stakes.

Kralovec and Sidiropoulos are at a risk IMO.
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Can’t understand why Kralovec is still elite?? How many CL games has he had in the last 4 years? If he is always injured then his position isn’t justified!

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I'd be interested if Edy, TTFL or anyone else knowledgeable on matters European think there is any chance of Cakir being demoted? It seems that Palabıyık is heading for elite to replace Cakir - I had thought this would be for when Cakir comes off the FIFA list but could this happen sooner? His appointments of late haven't been so great and we all know of his (imo ridiculous) "suspension". Surely though his elite spot is safe?

What I’m not sure about is whether Turkey can have two elite officials in their standings with UEFA.

I very much doubt Cakir will be demoted, there are many many elite officials who are well below him in the pecking order and no match in the ability stakes.

Kralovec and Sidiropoulos are at a risk IMO.

I certainly agree there are many officials below him - although not his best period, I still think he definitely in the top 10 in Europe. My doubt though is along the lines you speak of - can Turkey have 2 elite referees. If not then I wonder if there is a slight chance he will be demoted but, like you, I doubt it. Surely it is planned he will attend Euro 2021 which Palabıyık even if promoted now surely would not.

Thanks for your reply - when are we expecting the categories?

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Of course Cakir won't be demoted, even though, it is said that Ceferin is angry with him. I believe that he will retire after EURO 2021 and be replaced with Palabiyik. The latter is being pushed atm and seems to have committee's trust.

Hategan writes history with his 5th (!) CL appointment. Also Makkelie with his 4th appointment. Both are considered as safe pair of hands and locks for the Euro.

Stieler with an important match. The German will be Elite soon.

I agree with TTFL about Kralovec and Sidiropoulos. They should be demoted. I would add Collum as a demotion candidate.
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No appointments announced for Wednesday's games yet?  Is there a problem selecting appropriate teams of officials due to the virus, or is it just a slightly later announcement than normal?

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No appointments announced for Wednesday's games yet?  Is there a problem selecting appropriate teams of officials due to the virus, or is it just a slightly later announcement than normal?

They would only be announced (publicly at least) today anyway so they're not late yet!  There are certainly some virus related issues and travel restrictions that really are not helpful right now!
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No appointments announced for Wednesday's games yet?  Is there a problem selecting appropriate teams of officials due to the virus, or is it just a slightly later announcement than normal?

The only appointments so far are as follows from Holland and Portugal.

21:00 CET - Bruges (Jan Breydelstadion)
Club Brugge (BEL) - Football Club Zenit (RUS) | Group F
Referee: Serdar Gozübüyük (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Joost van Zuilen (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Johan Balder (NED)
Fourth Official: Allard Lindhout (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bas Nijhuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Medved (SVK)
UEFA Delegate: Álvaro Albino (POR)


21:00 CET - Seville (Estadio Ramón Sánchez-Pizjuán)
Sevilla FC (ESP) - Chelsea FC (ENG) | Group E
Referee: Artur Soares Dias (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Rui Licínio (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Paulo Soares (POR)
Fourth Official: Hugo Miguel (POR)
Video Assistant Referee: Tiago Martins (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Luís Godinho (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Peter Sippel (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Emil Ubias (CZE)


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Of course Cakir won't be demoted, even though, it is said that Ceferin is angry with him. I believe that he will retire after EURO 2021 and be replaced with Palabiyik. The latter is being pushed atm and seems to have committee's trust.

Hategan writes history with his 5th (!) CL appointment. Also Makkelie with his 4th appointment. Both are considered as safe pair of hands and locks for the Euro.

Stieler with an important match. The German will be Elite soon.

I agree with TTFL about Kralovec and Sidiropoulos. They should be demoted. I would add Collum as a demotion candidate.

Thanks as always for the very informative post Edy. Indeed it will be interesting to see the changes in categories. It is a shame about Sidiropoulos, I think he had a lot of potential to be a top referee but he seems not to have reached that level, domestic matters probably don't help.

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Krasnodar vs Rennes
Referee: William Collum SCO
Assistant referees: Francis Connor SCO; David McGeachie SCO
Fourth official: Nicholas Walsh SCO

Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney ENG
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Constantine Hatzidakis ENG

UEFA Referee Observer: Boško Jovanetić (SRB)
UEFA Delegate: Jovan Šurbatović (SRB)

21:00 CET - Seville (Estadio Ramón Sánchez-Pizjuán)
Sevilla FC (ESP) - Chelsea FC (ENG) | Group E
Referee: Artur Dias POR
Assistant referees: Rui Tavares POR; Paulo Soares POR
Fourth official: Hugo Miguel POR
Video Assistant Referee: Tiago Martins POR
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Luis Godinho POR
UEFA Referee Observer: Peter Sippel (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Emil Ubias (CZE)

Borussia Dortmund v Lazio
Referee: Antonio Mateu Lahoz ESP
Assistant referees: Pau Cebrián Devís ESP; Roberto del Palomar ESP
Fourth official: José Luis Munuera Montero ESP
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro Hernández ESP
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: José María Sánchez ESP
UEFA Referee Observer: Uno Tutk (EST)
UEFA Delegate: Per Eliasson (SWE)

21:00 CET - Bruges (Jan Breydelstadion)
Club Brugge (BEL) - Football Club Zenit (RUS) | Group F
Referee: Serdar Gözübüyük NED
Assistant referees: Joost van Zuilen NED; Johan Balder NED
Fourth official: Allard Lindhout NED
Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler NED
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bas Nijhuis NED
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Medved (SVK)
UEFA Delegate: Álvaro Albino (POR)

Juventus v Dynamo Kiev
Referee: Stéphanie Frappart FRA
Assistant referees: Hikram Zakrani FRA; Mehdi Rahmouni FRA
Fourth official: Karim Abed FRA
Video Assistant Referee: Benoît Millot FRA
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Delajod Willy FRA
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Jacques Antenen (SUI)

Ferencvaros v Barcelona
Referee: Aleksei Kulbakov BLR
Assistant referees: Dmitri Zhuk BLR; Oleg Maslyanko BLR
Fourth official: Viktor Shimusik BLR
Video Assistant Referee: Vitali Meshkov RUS
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Sergei Ivanov RUS
UEFA Referee Observer: Lutz-Michael Fröhlich (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Peter Oskam (NED)

Istanbul BB V RB Leipzig
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande ESP
Assistant referees: Juan Carlos Yuste ESP; Roberto Alonso Fernandez ESP
Fourth official: Guillermo Cuadra Fernandez ESP
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera ESP
Assistant Video Assistant Referee; Diego Barbero ESP
UEFA Referee Observer: Darko Čeferin (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Orkhan Huseynzade (AZE)

Manchester United v PSG
Referee: Daniele Orsato ITA
Assistant referees: Alessandro Giallatini ITA; Fabiano Preti ITA
Fourth official: Daniele Doveri ITA
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida ITA
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Di Bello ITA
UEFA Referee Observer: Martin Ingvarsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Georg Lüchinger (LIE)
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Fantastic appointment for Frappart with an important observer.

Collum gets a shoot out for the Europa League in Group E. Orsato and Lahoz with expected appointments given the games.


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I have to say I think Frappart’s appointment is largely political and unfair on other officials.

I also think we may see Frappart at Euros next year, if so I don’t feel this is fair either.

Let me be clear - I am not in any way questioning Frappart’s ability, I am fully in favour of having the best referees appointed be it a man or a woman it shouldn’t make any difference, however there is no question there are many referees who were surely ahead of Frappart in terms of experience (and possibly ability) for a CL debut. In other words 2 EL games before a CL debut....I wonder how regularly this has happened! (Open to correction!)

Again I hope this post isn’t taken in the wrong spirit, I have no issue with Frappart being appointed to even a CL final at some stage in the future - I just feel every referee should have to follow a similar path and not overtake others ahead of them for, what I feel, are purely political reasons.
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Is the opposite route available to men? Or are all the appointments in the Womens CL female? If not, should it not be one list?

Fairness and equality are things to strive for. This appointment, based on the number and profile of the games done, is neither of these.

Football has always been political and 'face-fits' appointments are nothing new.

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