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« Reply #105 on: Mon 27 Sep 2021 09:59 »
Champions League 2021/22 - Referee Appointments - Matchday 2 (wednesday)

29 September 2021

18:45 CET - Bergamo (Stadio di Bergamo)
Atalanta BC (ITA) - BSC Young Boys (SUI) | Group F
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Daniel Schlager (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Deniz Aytekin (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sergey Zuev (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: Joăo Morais (POR)

I think Mr Brych is reserved for Nation League Final as his farewell match. Maybe that's the reason why he hadn't had many UEFA matches this season.

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« Reply #106 on: Mon 27 Sep 2021 13:48 »
Good match for Gil Manzano. Spain will need a referee for UEFA Euro 2024 and WC 2026.

Also a good appointment for Zwayer. I think that the spot for N2 of Germany is still open.

Kabakov with an interesting match. Like in MD1 it seems that the committee is looking for the new Elite referees. Surely the Bulgarian had a difficult time but can still prove his abilities.

Expected appointments for Brych and Orsato.

Low profile match for Sidiropoulos. This match could easily go to a First Group referee.
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« Reply #107 on: Mon 27 Sep 2021 14:08 »
Champions League 2021/22 - Referee Appointments - Matchday 2 (wednesday)

29 September 2021

21:00 CET - Lisbon (Estádio do Sport Lisboa e Benfica)
SL Benfica (POR) - FC Barcelona (ESP) | Group E
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR)

I only just realised that Chris Kavanagh is VAR on the Crystal Palace vs BHA game. Then presumably has to travel back to Manchester for a flight for this game, and will then presumably be out in the PL this weekend too.
Surely UEFA and the PGMOL talk to one another about appointments, right?
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Re: UEFA Champions League 2021/2022
« Reply #108 on: Mon 27 Sep 2021 15:31 »
Champions League 2021/22 - Referee Appointments - Matchday 2 (wednesday)

29 September 2021

21:00 CET - Lisbon (Estádio do Sport Lisboa e Benfica)
SL Benfica (POR) - FC Barcelona (ESP) | Group E
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR)

I only just realised that Chris Kavanagh is VAR on the Crystal Palace vs BHA game. Then presumably has to travel back to Manchester for a flight for this game, and will then presumably be out in the PL this weekend too.
Surely UEFA and the PGMOL talk to one another about appointments, right?

Or fly straight from Heathrow to Switzerland?
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Re: UEFA Champions League 2021/2022
« Reply #109 on: Mon 27 Sep 2021 16:42 »
Champions League 2021/22 - Referee Appointments - Matchday 2 (wednesday)

29 September 2021

21:00 CET - Lisbon (Estádio do Sport Lisboa e Benfica)
SL Benfica (POR) - FC Barcelona (ESP) | Group E
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR)

I only just realised that Chris Kavanagh is VAR on the Crystal Palace vs BHA game. Then presumably has to travel back to Manchester for a flight for this game, and will then presumably be out in the PL this weekend too.
Surely UEFA and the PGMOL talk to one another about appointments, right?

Or fly straight from Heathrow to Switzerland?


I'm told their flight is from Manchester at silly O'Clock tomorrow am.  UEFA will have booked it from his 'home' airport about 10 days ago, which the PGMOL would have known.  The flight is around 6am - they have to be there for around midday.  Time he leaves Stockley Park it will be about 11pm, what is it - 4 hours to Manchester? He might be lucky enough to get a whole 2 hours nap at the airport before having to book in and board the plane.  A couple more hours on the flight, if lucky & he's the sort who can sleep on a plane.  Very healthy - not!!  If he has games Tues & Weds, which seems to be the new way of doing it, he'll fly back Friday & probably be out twice over the weekend in some capacity.

What's it going to take for the PGMOL to start using some common sense? One of them collapsing from exhaustion or worse?

Our Federation might not get much right but our FIFA referees get offered the weekend before a midweek Europe game off and they don't get a game for a minimum 24 hours after return.  If they return on Friday they won't be on a Saturday game in any capacity, they'll be on one of the Sunday games or a game in the NBII on Sunday. They'll also be spoken to before being appointed and if travel back was on the Friday they will again offered the weekend off.  Ok we have less games but then our pool of referees is also smaller. The Federation will use NBII referees as 4O & VAR if needs be on the Saturday rather than one of the referees who have been out midweek. It might happen on a rare occasion, if there are no other options - positive covid tests/injury/3+ teams out abroad etc but then it would be a Budapest based game and the Federation will put them in the hotel in Vecsés, literally a 2 min drive from the airport for the Fri & Sat night.
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Re: UEFA Champions League 2021/2022
« Reply #110 on: Mon 27 Sep 2021 18:55 »
Champions League 2021/22 - Referee Appointments - Matchday 2 (wednesday)

29 September 2021

21:00 CET - Lisbon (Estádio do Sport Lisboa e Benfica)
SL Benfica (POR) - FC Barcelona (ESP) | Group E
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR)

I only just realised that Chris Kavanagh is VAR on the Crystal Palace vs BHA game. Then presumably has to travel back to Manchester for a flight for this game, and will then presumably be out in the PL this weekend too.
Surely UEFA and the PGMOL talk to one another about appointments, right?

Or fly straight from Heathrow to Switzerland?


I'm told their flight is from Manchester at silly O'Clock tomorrow am.  UEFA will have booked it from his 'home' airport about 10 days ago, which the PGMOL would have known.  The flight is around 6am - they have to be there for around midday.  Time he leaves Stockley Park it will be about 11pm, what is it - 4 hours to Manchester? He might be lucky enough to get a whole 2 hours nap at the airport before having to book in and board the plane.  A couple more hours on the flight, if lucky & he's the sort who can sleep on a plane.  Very healthy - not!!  If he has games Tues & Weds, which seems to be the new way of doing it, he'll fly back Friday & probably be out twice over the weekend in some capacity.

What's it going to take for the PGMOL to start using some common sense? One of them collapsing from exhaustion or worse?

Our Federation might not get much right but our FIFA referees get offered the weekend before a midweek Europe game off and they don't get a game for a minimum 24 hours after return.  If they return on Friday they won't be on a Saturday game in any capacity, they'll be on one of the Sunday games or a game in the NBII on Sunday. They'll also be spoken to before being appointed and if travel back was on the Friday they will again offered the weekend off.  Ok we have less games but then our pool of referees is also smaller. The Federation will use NBII referees as 4O & VAR if needs be on the Saturday rather than one of the referees who have been out midweek. It might happen on a rare occasion, if there are no other options - positive covid tests/injury/3+ teams out abroad etc but then it would be a Budapest based game and the Federation will put them in the hotel in Vecsés, literally a 2 min drive from the airport for the Fri & Sat night.

If that is true, its nuts.  Apart from the clear risks presented by driving from Stockley Park to Manchester after officiating (albeit on TV) in a Premier League match; no-one is going to be on anything like "top form" after the combination of working, journey and lack of sleep.

I hope, for once, that you are wrong BMB and the proximity of Stockley Park to Heathrow Airport (2.4 miles according to Google Maps) has pricked some common sense from those making these appointing decisions.

(Self edited as I used a rude word in the original post - apologies.)
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Re: UEFA Champions League 2021/2022
« Reply #111 on: Mon 27 Sep 2021 19:38 »
Champions League 2021/22 - Referee Appointments - Matchday 2 (wednesday)

29 September 2021

21:00 CET - Lisbon (Estádio do Sport Lisboa e Benfica)
SL Benfica (POR) - FC Barcelona (ESP) | Group E
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR)

I only just realised that Chris Kavanagh is VAR on the Crystal Palace vs BHA game. Then presumably has to travel back to Manchester for a flight for this game, and will then presumably be out in the PL this weekend too.
Surely UEFA and the PGMOL talk to one another about appointments, right?

Or fly straight from Heathrow to Switzerland?


I'm told their flight is from Manchester at silly O'Clock tomorrow am.  UEFA will have booked it from his 'home' airport about 10 days ago, which the PGMOL would have known.  The flight is around 6am - they have to be there for around midday.  Time he leaves Stockley Park it will be about 11pm, what is it - 4 hours to Manchester? He might be lucky enough to get a whole 2 hours nap at the airport before having to book in and board the plane.  A couple more hours on the flight, if lucky & he's the sort who can sleep on a plane.  Very healthy - not!!  If he has games Tues & Weds, which seems to be the new way of doing it, he'll fly back Friday & probably be out twice over the weekend in some capacity.

What's it going to take for the PGMOL to start using some common sense? One of them collapsing from exhaustion or worse?

Our Federation might not get much right but our FIFA referees get offered the weekend before a midweek Europe game off and they don't get a game for a minimum 24 hours after return.  If they return on Friday they won't be on a Saturday game in any capacity, they'll be on one of the Sunday games or a game in the NBII on Sunday. They'll also be spoken to before being appointed and if travel back was on the Friday they will again offered the weekend off.  Ok we have less games but then our pool of referees is also smaller. The Federation will use NBII referees as 4O & VAR if needs be on the Saturday rather than one of the referees who have been out midweek. It might happen on a rare occasion, if there are no other options - positive covid tests/injury/3+ teams out abroad etc but then it would be a Budapest based game and the Federation will put them in the hotel in Vecsés, literally a 2 min drive from the airport for the Fri & Sat night.

You are assuming he has any petrol, he certainly won't be getting any in the London area ...!

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« Reply #112 on: Mon 27 Sep 2021 21:42 »

If that is true, its nuts.  Apart from the clear risks presented by driving from Stockley Park to Manchester after officiating (albeit on TV) in a Premier League match; no-one is going to be on anything like "top form" after the combination of working, journey and lack of sleep.

I hope, for once, that you are wrong BMB and the proximity of Stockley Park to Heathrow Airport (2.4 miles according to Google Maps) has pricked some common sense from those making these appointing decisions.


I would love to be wrong on this but sadly I'm not.  I genuinely fear for the health of the English FIFA refs. Whoever is doing the appointing for the PGMOL needs retraining at best!


As for the VAR part, one of the refs I am friends with in Hungary says he personally finds being VAR far more stressful and mentally draining than he does refereeing. His view if you're out on the pitch, you have a split second to make a call & if you call it wrong or miss something on your blindside then so be it , it's understandable. As VAR though you have to be 100% correct, if you call it wrong when you have access to replays, slo mo, different camera angles, then it is far worse of an error. You have no excuse, no split second possibly compromised/obstructed view and have to see everything the referee is seeing and everything he isn't seeing. Now that might just be him but he has a good point!
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If that is true, its nuts.  Apart from the clear risks presented by driving from Stockley Park to Manchester after officiating (albeit on TV) in a Premier League match; no-one is going to be on anything like "top form" after the combination of working, journey and lack of sleep.

I hope, for once, that you are wrong BMB and the proximity of Stockley Park to Heathrow Airport (2.4 miles according to Google Maps) has pricked some common sense from those making these appointing decisions.


I would love to be wrong on this but sadly I'm not.  I genuinely fear for the health of the English FIFA refs. Whoever is doing the appointing for the PGMOL needs retraining at best!


As for the VAR part, one of the refs I am friends with in Hungary says he personally finds being VAR far more stressful and mentally draining than he does refereeing. His view if you're out on the pitch, you have a split second to make a call & if you call it wrong or miss something on your blindside then so be it , it's understandable. As VAR though you have to be 100% correct, if you call it wrong when you have access to replays, slo mo, different camera angles, then it is far worse of an error. You have no excuse, no split second possibly compromised/obstructed view and have to see everything the referee is seeing and everything he isn't seeing. Now that might just be him but he has a good point!

Can also confirm that bmb is right on this one. It'll take something serious to happen to one of the English FIFA officials (and to a lesser extent the full SG) before something is done about this I reckon, and that is a shocking situation for all of them to be in.
It's something that can be so easily mitigated too, by either; booking overseas travel from nearer airports to their VAR duties, or you know, appointing other SG officials to games on the weekends if the FIFA lot are used in Europe midweek?
It's not like the SG is short of officials.
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