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« on: Sun 28 Feb 2021 18:47 »
Parking the Mason controversy for a moment, how is it any way sensible to appoint a referee as fourth official for a game taking place the day after he has refereed a Premier League game. The fourth official could be called up on to officiate at any time - perhaps for the whole game if the appointed referee tweaks a hammy in the warm up. No referee could or should be put in the position of potentially refereeing two Premier League games in consecutive days. If players were asked to do that .... 
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« on: Sun 28 Feb 2021 11:09 »
I firmly believe that an awful lot of the emotion (and personal animosity on this site towards Lee Mason) might just be be taken away if Lee, and/or the PGMOL simply came out and said that a mistake was made and an apology made to both teams. Its worth adding that nothing can be done about the mistake other than using it so that all referees can learn from it - so they do not have to experience it themselves.
Any sanction / performance assessment of Lee Mason's performance should take place behind closed doors and be a matter for Lee and his employers. This is the benefit afforded to players ("we'll deal with it 'in house'" is what is often said by a manager or in a club statement). It should be dealt with "in house".
PS: I am certainly no fan of Lee Mason but, as a human being, he must be felling pretty rubbish today and - when all is said and done - it is a football match. Nobody died.
PPS: Rugby Union might want to follow the same approach in respect of the debacle in Cardiff yesterday ......
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« on: Sat 27 Feb 2021 18:50 »
Kicking the ball away, not retreating 10 yards, dissent and goal keepers catching the ball and then diving full length to then take 15 seconds to release the ball are all tolerated by most referees these days. One good reason why I am glad to be out of it.
I was once told that what is not prevented is encouraged. QED today.
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« on: Sat 27 Feb 2021 10:33 »
Lots of comments on another site (law5-theref.blogspot.com) about the referee ending the game "in line with UEFA protocol". I'm probably confused, as I thought that after Clive Thomas's WC fiasco (Sweden v Brazil), play should be allowed to proceed until the ball is out of play. In practice, I reckon we would probably end the game once the attacking team has lost the ball or plays the ball backwards. In rugby, the ball has to be out of play. Lots of understandable emotion - but, if time is up before a corner is taken, do you end the game? Would you end the game before a FK is taken? Seems that there's UEFA protocol at the top end of the game! Perhaps needless to write, but conspiracy theories aplenty given it was a Spanish referee (Manzona) and an Italian side won in questionable circumstances.
So if you end the first half or the game when the attacking team has a corner, free-kick or promising attack ..... you will get it in the neck from the attacking team. If you allow "additional time" to let the corner / free-kick or promising attack to play out and a goal ensues ..... you will get it in the neck from the defending side. If you adopt the Rugby Union approach it will affect the way in which the final minutes of each game are played, and not in a good way. Perhaps, just perhaps, referees should apply the laws of the game and blow for time when time expires?
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« on: Fri 26 Feb 2021 06:53 »
But do they own part (or all?) of the organisation the appoints the match officials?
Genuine question, as I do not know.
562
« on: Thu 25 Feb 2021 16:17 »
Please tell me this is a **** take! If the FA really want to give refs a hand, deal with player and manager behaviour far more effectively.
The premiership rugby highlights on channel 5 on Monday gave me good for thought. Last weekend, 5 red cards were issued in the premiership. The pundit on the highlights show said words to the effect: “rugby has decided that tackles that hit the should no longer be tolerated and so referees are now issuing red cards. It’s like football - if they really wanted to deal with player behaviour then referees should issue several red cards. It would be a sore point for a couple of weeks, but players and clubs would have to learn pretty darn quick!”
I suspect the difference between rugby and football is that the rugby authorities, who are charged with ensuring the good order and conduct of the game, have far more independence and authority separate from the influence of the major clubs and therefore can do things without bending to that undue influence. Perhaps someone like RCG who is particularly knowledgeable about rugby might confirm that. In football, such is the financial muscle which the big clubs exert, the FA has become supine and lacks authority to do anything of which the big clubs disapprove. The clubs don't want to lose players through suspension and so are set against any reforms which may enhance a referee's on-field respect and authority. Meaningless gestures have no such effect and so can be supported.
If the shareholders of PGMOL are (directly or indirectly) the clubs then there is a fundamental conflict of interest.
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« on: Tue 23 Feb 2021 16:09 »
It is only the logical extension / exaggeration of what is already happening in most top flite leagues.
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« on: Tue 23 Feb 2021 07:54 »
Oh for the days when teams weren't allowed to play in black or very dark colours eh?
Incidentally I think I recall a post indicating that "top level" referees are instructed by the competition which shirt to wear (The teams having been required to advise the competition of their intended colours)
When I was administrating a team our colours formed part of the confirmation email to the opposition and referee
I believe the PL do choose the colour, but how do they get it wrong so often? So many games in PL where a goalkeeper is in black and so are the officials, despite other choices being an option. Shouldn’t be hard to get it right!
Martin & team obviously had the purple shirts with them, so why not use them from the outset, as black was clearly never going to be great.
There are only four referee shirt colours, and sometimes it is just impossible to avoid a clash. So it is best to clash with one of the keepers, and they can't ask the keeper to change as that affects sponsorship agreements. I would also say as I always do, why does it matter that the referee clashes with a keeper, but that is just my view.
Of bigger concern are things like yesterday. Arsenal vs Man City, rather plan play in their usual blue City play in white, including white sleeves that completely clashed with Arsenal. That's a nightware for assistants, how can you judge offside when both teams are wearing the same coloured sleeves?
"Nightware for assistants" - would that be the Lino's Pyjamas? 
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« on: Mon 22 Feb 2021 16:30 »
Oh for the days when teams weren't allowed to play in black or very dark colours eh?
Incidentally I think I recall a post indicating that "top level" referees are instructed by the competition which shirt to wear (The teams having been required to advise the competition of their intended colours)
When I was administrating a team our colours formed part of the confirmation email to the opposition and referee
How about this for a way forward ...... we (match officials) will wear black - you (teams) don't ?? I do realise that I am a dinosaur and need pensioning off, but this did work for about 100 years. It was only our Caledonian cousins in their national team kit that caused a problem - with a rare sighting of the red, or yellow referee's shirt for the odd Home International match - apart from that, black seemed to work fine.
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« on: Sun 21 Feb 2021 11:10 »
Read thro the posts before only now seeing the incident
The defender has, wittingly or otherwise, tripped the striker by being where he was, grounded or not
Thats a penalty kick, clear as day. The only issue i see is VAR even suggesting the referee reviewed it
I too would concur with the apparent bewilderment as referee being advised to have another look at what is in reality a straightforward call.
A similar clip was doing rounds on a UEFA coaching course around ten years ago,
Does it look. Fair? Prob not,
Is it the attacker who is tripped by the defender, in the box? Yes. Penalty kick
This was a foul challenge. It was not intentional but it was a foul challenge, by a defender, on an attacker within the penalty area. So the outcome is a penalty kick. There was also a strong argument for DOGSO. Had the foul challenge not taken place, then the attacker would have been on his feet and able to put the ball into a goal unguarded by the goal-keeper. There was a defender in the vicinity, but not in a position to prevent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity. The DOGSO "defence" that the defender was making a genuine attempt to play the ball does not apply and the fact that the contact was accidental does not prevent a red card for DOGSO (perhaps it should?). Finally, Kavanaugh's brief stint looking at the monitor reminded me of a number of time when we were trying to persuade a young child to try a food that they had already decided they did not like. (" Just have a taste, you have never eaten it before, you might like it") After the most tiny taste, the pre-decided conclusion is confirmed. 
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« on: Fri 19 Feb 2021 11:25 »
Ah yes - my mistake
Note to self, need an eye test - all those fans heckling me over the years may have had a point.
Well, at least I was able to inadvertently endorse the original comment!!
568
« on: Fri 19 Feb 2021 06:56 »
According to The Times, it is thought to be the first time the FA has brought a case against a senior referee since 2000 when Paul Taylor was charged with making insulting remarks to Notts County's Sean Farrell. Taylor was cleared by a disciplinary commission three months later. Darren, a 50 year old RAF sergeant, has been on the FL list since 2004.
I think Paul Taylor was one of the last referees who liked to have a bit of banter with the players.
I am taking that with a bit of (sarcastic) salt .... have you ever worked with him?
I am sure many others like myself are intrigued by your reply. Are you able to enlighten us further?
Its just that - having lined to Paul many times on both the Isthmian League and Football League - he was very much a referee with a personality and worked hard to have a good liaison with most of the players. I would go to far as say that his man management skills were stronger than his technical refereeing skills. In stark contrast to many of his 2021 successors.
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« on: Thu 18 Feb 2021 16:04 »
According to The Times, it is thought to be the first time the FA has brought a case against a senior referee since 2000 when Paul Taylor was charged with making insulting remarks to Notts County's Sean Farrell. Taylor was cleared by a disciplinary commission three months later. Darren, a 50 year old RAF sergeant, has been on the FL list since 2004.
I think Paul Taylor was one of the last referees who liked to have a bit of banter with the players.
I am taking that with a bit of (sarcastic) salt .... have you ever worked with him?
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« on: Thu 18 Feb 2021 10:57 »
Oh yes, Harold Hackney. Known for calling a spade a shovel according to Pat Partridge in his book.
In more recent times, referees like Graham Poll and Jeff Winter could use body language in a quite aggressive way, although not to the extent of Darren Drysdale in this particular incident.
Being an old timer when it comes to referee watching, I freely admit that I miss the characters with personality. Some referees used humour to diffuse a situation but my impression is that rarely happens nowadays. Perhaps players would be less likely to respond to humour anyway.
The humour might be lost when players do not have English as their first language - but your point is well made. If OFFINABUS is pretty much not permitted today (at least at the elite level) then responding to verbal barbs on a "like for like" basis cannot really be frowned upon. It has been known for a referee to tell a player who had just given one a mouthful of fruity comments to "sod off" only to be advised that: "You can't talk to me like that". Hypocrisy defined.
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