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« on: Wed 09 Dec 2020 10:30 »
Why not let Ovidu Haetagan have the game and just replace the fourth official
I wonder if Haetagan was not happy for his "team mate" and compatriot to be replaced and declined to continue without him?
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« on: Mon 07 Dec 2020 15:35 »
Mr Moyes, despite what he said, wasn't watching the ball as he was stood clapping and encouraging his players further up the pitch.
Football manager re-writes history to suit his purposes ....... in other news .......
528
« on: Sun 06 Dec 2020 13:04 »
A very good performance by Marriner personally I think he had got better in the last few years his performances have been very good and rarely attracts controversy
Yesterday’s game good fitness his foul detection was spot on and played some good advantages, for the Pogba goal I attach no blame to Marriner, and if I’m correct in my assumption that the AR Simon Long would have have been looking out for a possible offside soon as the ball left Henderson’s foot therefore it would have been just unlucky that he missed it go out therefore if that is indeed the case I attach no blame to Simon Long either
He physically could be looking in two places - which were at a 90 degree angle to each other - at the same time.
I am sure if Andre had taken the word of the West Ham United manager and awarded the throw-in, OGS and his crew would have been cool with that ..... 
Surely a linesman is there to see if the ball goes out of play......it was blatantly out of play.....I used to run the line at semi pro level and would be horrified if I missed that. Where was var when you actually needed it...........rather than getting involved when you don't??
So did I. I am not sure which would horrify me more ..... missing the ball out of play or missing an offside call resulting in a goal? From memory, there were more of the latter than the former that worried me. Edited to fix the quote thingamajigga, bmb
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« on: Sun 06 Dec 2020 11:31 »
A very good performance by Marriner personally I think he had got better in the last few years his performances have been very good and rarely attracts controversy
Yesterday’s game good fitness his foul detection was spot on and played some good advantages, for the Pogba goal I attach no blame to Marriner, and if I’m correct in my assumption that the AR Simon Long would have have been looking out for a possible offside soon as the ball left Henderson’s foot therefore it would have been just unlucky that he missed it go out therefore if that is indeed the case I attach no blame to Simon Long either
He physically could not be looking in two places - which were at a 90 degree angle to each other - at the same time. I am sure if Andre had taken the word of the West Ham United manager and awarded the throw-in, OGS and his crew would have been cool with that .....
530
« on: Thu 03 Dec 2020 08:35 »
There was a time (many moons ago) when a club complaining about the decisions made by a referee and asking the appointments secretary not to re-appoint said referee to any of their future games invariably meant a return visit of that referee within the month.
I am not sure if the "clever" clubs adopted reverse psychology was ever tried, but I certainly returned to my fair share of unfriendly Isthmian League venues!!
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« on: Wed 25 Nov 2020 10:56 »
Oddly, all the Division 1 referees have surnames starting with the letters A, B or C.
And all the Division 2 referees have surnames starting with letters ranging from C - H.
Perhaps the appointments secretary only had the first half of his contacts book to work from that week!
532
« on: Tue 24 Nov 2020 18:06 »
What I would like to see which would make more sense is to have a rest AFTER their respective European commitments. So for example, Michael Oliver had A Villa v Brighton, which warms him up for his appointment this midweek, he can then miss next weekend's games. Then he wouldn't get burnout just from the travelling!
I suspect some of the players would like that too. (The weekend off that is).
533
« on: Mon 23 Nov 2020 19:14 »
" What was inexcusable is the reaction of the Leeds player who reacted as if he had been hit with an axe. Again, a deliberate attempt to deceive the referee which went unpunished. Until the game gets to grips with this ludicrous simulation there is no hope for it. "
LateTackle's words are correct. I'll avoid dodgy analogies and incorrectly quoting Law, but 100% support this.
Video technology is having an "interesting" impact on the game through VAR. Video technology could eradicate this ludicrous simulation if there was the will to do so. The truth, however, is that if the circumstances had been reversed, the Arsenal player would have done exactly what the Leeds player did do.
Its really up to the teams, players, managers, etc. Do they want to get it out of the game or not?
534
« on: Mon 23 Nov 2020 15:40 »
the Laws state that making contact with an opponent before making contact with the ball is a foul challenge Where do they say that?
Errrrr - it used too. Apologies. 
But I stand by the analogy!!
535
« on: Mon 23 Nov 2020 15:39 »
the Laws state that making contact with an opponent before making contact with the ball is a foul challenge Where do they say that?
Errrrr - it used too. Apologies.
536
« on: Sun 22 Nov 2020 19:10 »
We are in danger of going down a rabbit hole that could be as bad as has happened with handball.
Two penalty kicks were overturned yesterday because VAR identified that the "offender" got a touch on the ball before making contact with his opponent. Whilst the Laws state that making contact with an opponent before making contact with the ball is a foul challenge - they do not state the the opposite is true. Just because a player makes contact with the ball first, that does not nullify any possibility of a foul challenge.
Yesterday's decisions give fresh impetus to every player who has protested using some variation of the words "I got the ball" (add in the odd expletive plus the ubiquitous hands making a ball shape gesture).
A bank robber making off with the money has still committed a crime; just as a footballer may make contact with the ball can still be guilty of a foul.
VAR may do for that what it has already done for handball.
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« on: Thu 19 Nov 2020 08:07 »
Thanks Acme.
Card-free games like that are quite interesting. There seems to be an assumption they're rare, but looking at the stats they happen every week (although CB would not be high up the list of likely candidates), and they seem to involve certain refs rather more often than the law of averages would suggest.
BTW, the advice to be wary of Soccerbase was good, it's been confirmed to me that there were only 5 cards in Argyle -v- Pompey on Monday.
I wonder which referee has gone the longest without a cardfree match. I have neither the time nor the confidence in soccerbase to check.
However off the top of my head I'd go for Alan Young who does not appear to have ever had a cardless match in his 6 years of refereeing at "Conference" level or above.
This will not surprise anyone who saw him at Portman Road last season !!
A certain official called Parker from Preston in years gone by would be a strong contender.
He would straight red card anything that moved ....
Jim Parker was just a man before his time ....... I bet if you check the stats he would not make the top ten today.
538
« on: Mon 09 Nov 2020 17:08 »
I have very little knowledge of Scottish jurisprudence but the Not Proven verdict has always somewhat intrigued me. One rather cynical interpretation of it runs " we're pretty darn sure you did it but it's too circumstantial; there just isn't the concrete evidence to put it beyond all reasonable doubt" I apologise if this is a prime example of English bias !
i have sometimes thought that a Not Proven sanction could be used on the football field. An orange card, two of which ( over any number of games ) would lead to a one game ban.
A lot to be said for Not Proven. That could certainly have applied to the contentious offside against Bamford where I've not yet seen a photo or red vertical line to the extremity of the hidden defender's backside to show if it protruded beyond Bamford's arm. Difficult to assert offside is factual if you don't have all the facts.
I think of it as lying between "balance of probabilities" and "beyond reasonable doubt" - so not far off your descriptor. The fault with it in my view (before the removal of the double jeopardy concept) was that it didn't allow either side to go back with more evidence to push the verdict in either direction. That would have given a genuine third verdict rather than what was seen as a sub-division of not guilty, but blamed by many for allowing the guilty to go free.
I think the concept of this midway situation in general would be useful in football - though it would probably be as unpopular as the not proven verdict in Scotland.
If there is that much doubt, why don't we go with the umpire/referee/assistants on-field initial decision?.
That does become difficult to do now that AR's are being instructed not to make a decision / judgement in the first place and wait to see what VAR comes up with. Edited to fix the quote thingamajjigga! bmb
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« on: Mon 09 Nov 2020 10:50 »
For years the cry has gone up for consistency, consistency , consistency. I never joined that particular clamour because I had a shrewd idea where it would lead and it was precisely to the present farcical situation. Sure you can have consistency by eliminating any form of doubt or interpretation but it results in a sterile, uninteresting spectacle which we have now where any proper feeling for the game is slowly being eliminated.
Life is unpredictable and at times random, it's just how it is. Sometimes it feels as though injustices are perpetrated but give me that over bland and dull any time. With the advent of VAR and these draconian rules which must rigorously be applied on each occasion irrespective of circumstance, then the great god of consistency is now lauded and worshipped...and what a sad state of things it has occasioned. For me, top level football is nowhere near as enjoyable as it once was and I am getting to have a 'take it or leave it' attitude to it....and I never ever thought I would say that.
That is true, and indeed life would be the poorer, and indeed would not exist, without some randomness. However. when in close proximity there are two different decisions, not entirely decided on randomness it is galling. Two, to my eyes, similar degrees of contact and the decisions penalise the player who tries to stay on his feet and reward the other who chooses simply to collapse in heaps, then it is not just the god of consistency that is offended but also the god of justice.
Maybe referees should stop penalising every small minute bit of contact to encourage players to stay on their feet?
But equally, they must punish a foul challenge when the player does not go down - otherwise they (players and managers) will continue to believe that they only way that a foul can be awarded is by hitting the ground (sometimes theatrically!)
540
« on: Sun 01 Nov 2020 11:37 »
Elite sport, in football terms, was defined as Premier League, Football League and (all of the) National League - because these were the clubs not allowed fans in the stadia.
The logical assumption would be that football at these levels can continue, but then logic and this government have been two circles of a Venn diagram that never seem to overlap.
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