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Duncan Jackson was, I believe a man of Kent (or a Kentish man).

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General Discussion / Re: Tim Robinson
« on: Sun 27 Jun 2021 16:28 »
22nd June 2021

North Group:

Derbyshire Vs Leicestershire
Umpires: Tim Robinson and Tom Lungley
Match Referee: Peter Such


Saw this and thought was quite funny, imagine if this was the same Tim
I saw Martin Bodenham referee top division football and umpire first class cricket.
Was he any good at either?
Nice man though a perfect gentleman.


Martin was an excellent referee who had a reputation (in his early Football League years at least) of being a bit of a car shark.  Less so, later on.  He was - as you describe - a perfect gentleman with a good sense of humour.  He also did a lot of work developing end mentoring Sussex referees and helping to further their careers.

He must have been a very good umpire, because not many (in those days) made to the First Class list without having played at that level.  There are more these days, but the ECB still regards playing at that level as a definite positive when it comes to umpiring.   Of course, the willingness of a large number of retiring first class cricketers facilitates this, I do not see the same volume of top footballers queueing up to do the same.

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General Discussion / Re: Promotion 2021
« on: Fri 25 Jun 2021 12:57 »
No 5 to 4 promotions either and that also now runs August 2020 to April 2022.  I suspect they are going to have a real shortage of level 4s in some areas, and the FA have said there may be interim promotions but as yet haven't said when, guess they will wait to see how bad the shortages are.  Whilst there are no 4 to 3 promotions, or 4 to 5 demotions, every year L4s are lost through natural wastage.  May well be worse this year as some might have got so used to having their Saturdays and midweeks back that they decide not to return.  That was my reason for quitting L3, I spent a few months out after knee surgery and realised I wasn't really missing it, certainly not as much as I should have been.

Exactly the reason I stopped.  Decided to take a short break in 2011 to see if I was missing it.  Ten years later ............

It was clearly time to heed the advice of many players, fans, some colleagues and more than a few assessors and hang up the whistle.

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Agree.  Its a safety net, he should have used it.

Or he could have not been in the way in the first place, but I have already had a rant about that on the Euros section ....

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Maybe he'll be hanging around to referee the "final" ??

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General Discussion / Re: Duplicate appointments
« on: Thu 17 Jun 2021 08:33 »
It was not a rarity in the 1990s.  On more than one occasion I lined a South East Counties League game on a Saturday morning, then either lined of the London Spartan League or refereed a local game the same afternoon.  That was followed up with two games on the Woolwich and District Sunday League the next day as the league had "morning" and "afternoon" sections.

This can be attributed to a combination of youthful eagerness, a smooth talking appointments secretary and the timeless imbalance of supply (games) and demand (referees)

Many years later, I refereed a FL Youth under 19s game on a Saturday morning and was diverted on the way home to referee an Isthmian League game in the afternoon.  But that was to bail out an appointments secretary who realised (with horror) at about 1pm that he had a game sans a referee.  It was very much a one-off.

Just recounting the above is making me weary and in need of a lie down!

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General Discussion / Re: The VAR thread
« on: Fri 11 Jun 2021 06:56 »
However its done, Offside is still a binary thing - it is either offside or not offside and someone will still be called offside by "a toenail". 

So the moaning will not cease - unless, football introduces the equivalent of "umpire's call".  But for that, the ARs will have to make the "call" (as opposed to today's "wait and see" protocols" and - as long as it is within an agreed tolerance level- what they say goes.  It does mean that you could have two identical scenarios with one called offside and the other not, but that is what happens in cricket and they sort of accept that.  Might be a bit of a stretch for football though?

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General Discussion / Re: Israeli Cup Final VAR AGAIN
« on: Wed 09 Jun 2021 15:27 »
Its good to see that the introduction of VAR has eliminated controversary and dissent from the game.   ;)

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Lots of opinions here and I start from the neutral position of not having seen the game or any of the incidents mentioned.  But some of the comments are literally staggering.

The implication that any decision Bobby did or didn't give 'decided promotion' is frankly ludicrous.  I'm a Northampton fan and our team in 2015 with Chris Wilder in charge absolutely wiped the floor with everyone in L2 (this is a once in a 70 year occurrence). When pressed by a journalist for a soundbite on a controversial refereeing decision he said 'Referees will make mistakes.  Some will go for you, some will go against you.  I set up my team to be good enough for neither of those things to matter'. One poster here has said Newport missed numerous chances - maybe that's the root cause of the result.  Get your own house in order first.

And one person said the referee needs to be '200% correct before giving a decision in a game like that'. I'm not even sure where to start with that.  I think you'll find it's the referee's job to give decisions, so if he waits until he's '200% correct' we'll have 90 minutes without him blowing his whistle.

It sounds like Bobby hasn't covered himself in glory and as the showpiece game of his season I would imagine no-one will be more disappointed in that than him.  But whatever the opposite saying is for 'one swallow doesn't make a summer' applies here.  His suitability to be an SG2 referee won't be judged on that one game and nor should it.  His performances over the season have made him number 1, unsurprising as you don't become a FIFA referee by accident.

A disappointing end to an outstanding season for him.

I would almost always disagree with a statement - whether it is made by a player, manager or fan - that a single decision cost their team the game, promotion or forced them to be relegated.  Over a season the best teams in a league end up at the top and the worst ones end up at the bottom.

But the play-offs (exciting that they can be) are a cup semi-final and final used to decide which of four sides should receive a final promotion place.  And a penalty decision in the second half of extra time of a tight final (no goals, few clear-cut chances) does come close to being a game decider.  And if that decision is incorrect it makes the argument that "the referee's decision cost us promotion" harder to refute.

The first-half penalty decision, however, does not justify the same argument.  The penalty kick might not have been converted.  Had Newport scored a very different (more open?) game would have ensued.


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General Discussion / Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« on: Tue 01 Jun 2021 18:10 »
I rather thought KH would draw some harsh words.

Personally, I find his views often inconsistent and contradictory.  I don't regard all he says as trash though and admit to occasionally catching up on his twitter a/c, as well as that of Mark Halsey.

In this instance, one could argue about the exact order, but his top 5, unlike some of the later comments, wasn't unreasonable, although I only had Oliver and Attwell in my own choice.

What follows though is bewildering. Moss to me had a decent season and Hooper very much improved.  I can't say I've been particularly impressed with Scott but I don't consider he's been bad enough to be demoted.  As for Jones, as others have said, how can you demote someone who's had little chance so far to prove himself?

Smiled when I read Hackett's opinion of Andre Marriner.  Again, a good season from someone who would be unlikely to win the 100m but is often in a good position to make decisions.  Usually a very safe pair of hands.

As for needing more coaching, Darren England looks to have real potential and Pawson was in my top 5 as he has noticeably developed over the last couple of seasons in my view.  I didn't really see enough of Andrew Madley.  He was ok from what I did see but comments on here suggest his performances were variable.

Perhaps I should stop reading Hackett's tweets and put the time to better use.
 

Anyone who is not in need of "more coaching" is either:
1) Perfect (but see "2" below)
2) Deluded
3) Retired
4) Keith Hackett (but see "2" above)

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General Discussion / Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« on: Tue 01 Jun 2021 16:26 »


Mr Hackett was of course Head of PGMOL before Mike Riley. 


 


He is now a very sad bitter old man who will say anything to try and keep himself relevant.  He stopped being relevant to referees many years ago & instead became a laughing stock.  The vast majority of those lapping up his tweets are ref hating football fans who seem to love him, the only exception being some other bitter ex match officials who have an axe to grind with Riley, which says it all. I used to have a huge amount of respect for him but stopped reading his trash many years ago.

Anyway Andre has never had pace, he's always been too chilled to have paced!


Pace is over-rated. 

An Assessor once said of me:  "For someone with no discernible sprint or change of pace, you do seem to manage to be able to be in roughly the right place at roughly the right time".  I think that comes under the heading of "damning with faint praise" !!

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Netherlands v Ireland ODI Super League Series

Referee - David Jules (England)

Neutral Umpire - Adrian Holdstock (South Africa)

Would it not be more appropriate to designate Adrian Holdstock as the "non-local" umpire?  Calling him "neutral" does tend to suggest that the local umpires appointed are not neutral.  We do all know that is not the case but for the uneducated ......?

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General Discussion / Re: Clement Turpin Villarreal vs Man Utd
« on: Thu 27 May 2021 18:07 »

(PS - is it just me who finds the discussion about the Manchester United team / players a bit inane on a refereeing forum?).

Whilst we are all drawn together as referees and that is the main topic of conversation we see the forum as also being important socially.  I think it's the biggest difference between a blog and a forum.  We're all football fans first & foremost. We have never limited the conversation to be 100% refereeing only, nor do we ever intend to do so. In every game players, managers and match officials are very interlinked, the actions of any of them can affect the actions of the others. We're happy with how it balances out overall.  We don't allow name calling/personal abuse and certain words are outlawed like cheat/cheated/cheating, corrupt/corruption or similar words that have the legal departments of various federations reaching for the phone to screech threats of court action my way for slander/libel. Oh and the word y****w is banned because it is a vile, disgusting colour that should be banned from existence in anything man made.

Just wait until a thread becomes completely derailed and meanders through a variety of topics, religion, politics, poetry, literature, music, history and goodness knows whatever else with a bit of football and/or refereeing thrown in along the way - that'll really blow your mind!



Guilty as charged m'Lud

And just to illustrate the process, does one really refer to a female judge as m'Lud?

m'Lady ??

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Football League - L1 & L2 / Re: PlayOffs 2021
« on: Mon 24 May 2021 18:31 »
Harrington has certainly gone under my radar somewhat which, I should add, is generally a most commendable thing. If SG1 take 2 promotions then he and Gillett are the candidates with Madley and Hicks going up to SG2.

It seems that Robinson has possibly had his chance for promotion and it hasn't gone his way.

Maybe the accepted view is that Gillett did enough on Saturday and Harrington needs another "test" to confirm (or otherwise) his promotion credentials?

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Select Group 2 / Re: PlayOffs 2021
« on: Fri 21 May 2021 12:42 »
And hasn’t Harrington been appointed to the F A Trophy Final this weekend?
Yes, that explains why both have been removed then.

Appointments by the FA override any other domestic appointment, including the Premier league and EFL.

Yes, i understand that but why can't he do both, one game on the Monday and then the game on the Saturday. I understand Brooks being replaced as it is 2 days apart but for Harrington its 5. Can someone help me make sense of this??

Or, was it necessary to appoint him to the play-offs when he was in mind for the FA Trophy Final?

Doesn't the right arm talk to the left arm?

Difficult, when knowing the difference between one's a**e and elbow proves to be too challenging  ;)

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