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General Discussion / Re: C KAVANAGH - Palace v Everton (FA)
« on: Fri 05 Jan 2024 18:16 »
A question from someone (me) who has not seen the challenge:  Was the contact "glancing" because:
     i) DCL was fully in control of his movements and able to adjust those movements to avoid more dangerous contact with his opponent?
     ii) DCL was not in any real control of his movements and it was just fortuitous that contact was glancing and no serious injury occurred?
     iii) DCL's degree of control of his movements was somewhere in between?

If the answer is (i) then its possibly as the on field referee saw it (not even a foul challenge); maybe a foul missed, perhaps even a yellow card (for a reckless challenge) missed, but not red.

If the answer is (i) then its probably ticking a number of SFP boxes (player out of control, studs up, likely to cause serious injury, etc.).

If - as I suspect given the comments here and elsewhere - the answer is (iii) then it is a matter of opinion.  Which begs a further question - do you want to go with the opinion of a referee on the field of play or one watching on a TV screen?

Answers on a postcard to the PGMOL and IFAB please.




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General Discussion / Re: sam Allison and Rebecca welch
« on: Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:12 »
Quote from: Claretman on Fri 05 Jan 2024 14:36
Quote from: Smithy on Fri 05 Jan 2024 14:10
Michael Salisbury was also picked for greatness ( wasn’t there surprise when he got promoted having not done any really big championship games or playoffs ??)  but maybe hasn’t given the returns for the investment put into him??
It’s the new way. People seem to be getting picked now and then put in an almost guaranteed promotion path for all kinds of reasons. Wasn’t like that in the old days???
It was often who you knew rather than what you know in the past

There was a time, many years ago when some referees were double-promoted up to the National League (or "Panel" as it was then).  They promoted about a dozen referees and a couple made it whilst the rest crashed and burned.  I guess the powers that be thought this was a good idea at the time,

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General Discussion / Re: Adam Herczeg Peterborough v Barnsley
« on: Thu 04 Jan 2024 18:50 »
Perhaps - like our Parliamentarians - posters should "declare an interest" when posting about referees covering their favourite team(s)?

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General Discussion / Re: Adam Herczeg Peterborough v Barnsley
« on: Wed 03 Jan 2024 17:10 »
Quote from: Acme Thunderer on Wed 03 Jan 2024 16:46
I recall in my early days on RTR reporting on 'newbies' at Crewe Alex such as Chris Kavanagh, Darren Bond and Time Robinson, and it has been good to be able to follow the progress of referees such as these as they have moved onwards and upwards. Keep the L1 & L2 reports coming I say.

I think you described Time Robinson as one to watch!  ;)

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General Discussion / Re: D BOND - Sheff Wed v Hull
« on: Tue 02 Jan 2024 18:50 »
Quote from: ARF on Mon 01 Jan 2024 22:39
Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 01 Jan 2024 17:55
Oh dear, I’m not sure what Bond has seen to warrant a red card for Tyler Morton.

He clearly says twice “I’m thinking”.

Is it excessive force?

He won the ball clearly but definitely not excessive.

A poster mentioned a while back that SG1 referees are not judging SFP offences accurately, and with VAR in the background they were “unsure” what decision to give.

It’s the flip side of that in the EFL in my opinion, and they are still not judging them correctly, as Hull will feel very aggrieved tonight.
Of course in the EFL, there’s no back up from big brother.
https://twitter.com/Owls2k/status/1741882350189842523

This is what he has seen. Irrelevant that he touches the ball first, he goes over the top of it and IMO it's clear serious foul play - endangering the safety of the opponent.

I think he is actually saying:  "I'm thinking red" over comms to his colleagues.

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General Discussion / Re: A Taylor - Liverpool v Newcastle
« on: Tue 02 Jan 2024 18:39 »
Quote from: Joecphillips on Mon 01 Jan 2024 21:51
Going to defend the call whether it’s the Sunderland fan in me or not, he is mid stride and finishes that one and then when he the foot that was hit and knocked off balance comes down that’s when he is over

I agree.

He was caught by the goal-keeper on his left leg.  The next stride was with his right leg; when the left leg next made contact with the ground he was unsteadied by the contact and fell to the floor.  If you put all your weight onto one foot and it is unsteady you will fall (don't try this at home!)  The contact caused this even though it was belated.  I believe that the decision was correct. 

The Liverpool player had no reason to fall over of his own volition as he had passed the goal-keeper and had an obvious goal scoring opportunity.

I also believe that the "judgement" that the foul was a genuine attempt to play the ball by the goal-keeper is generous in the extreme.

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General Discussion / Re: Simon Hooper - Spurs v AFCB
« on: Sun 31 Dec 2023 18:38 »
Neto is a great example of nominative determinism for a goal-keeper who's primary role is to make sure that 0 goes into the net.

Happy New Year everyone!!

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General Discussion / Re: J Brooks - Everton v Manchester City
« on: Thu 28 Dec 2023 17:27 »
Quote from: Marvin Grapevine on Thu 28 Dec 2023 09:37
Quote from: ajb95 on Thu 28 Dec 2023 09:18
I thought the penalty was harsh on the highlights but cannot comment on the overall performance as I was watching Chelsea v palace where another harsh penalty was given on review by Michael Salisbury

The penalty against Palace was “harsh”?!

It was one of the most obvious and clear penalties all season. The contact hyperextended the attacker’s knee. Palace players knew (which is why they didn’t complain), the Chelsea players knew (which is why they were furious) and everyone in the ground - plus the commentators - knew it was a penalty.

The bigger issue here is whether the safety net of VAR is stopping officials making decisions because I find it very hard to believe that a referee looking at that challenge from 7 yards away does not instantly give a penalty, and I think pre-VAR he would have done.


I have said previously that VAR is taking perfectly good referees who have reached the top of their profession by using their skill, positioning, experience and judgement to get more key decisions right than their peers and making them scared to make the big calls.

I have been told that this is not the case because it means a KMI error and a maximum mark of 7.9 (or something like that).

But the evidence is mounting up and the instances of penalty kicks (not handball!) and - more worryingly - cases of serious foul play being missed by Premier League referees suggest that (sub-consciously at least) I may not be as wrong as some think I am.

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General Discussion / Re: Alan Young - Crewe v Barrow
« on: Sun 24 Dec 2023 12:19 »
Quote from: Ryanellis on Sat 23 Dec 2023 12:53
Hang on we ain’t finished yet! Barrow free kick and yellow card to our number 8 for dissent when he’s got the decision completely wrong?
Have a look at the second video not the first one.
https://twitter.com/AlfieHi14845583/status/1738353292671930826

Frustrating that it is, getting the decision completely wrong does not require dissent to go unpunished.  I knew from personal experience that I am less tolerant of dissent when the player is more likely to be right than not - perhaps I did not like to hear the truth!!

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General Discussion / Re: Dodgy Corner Kick Tactic?
« on: Thu 14 Dec 2023 18:03 »
Quote from: Ref Watcher on Thu 14 Dec 2023 10:05
Quote from: nemesis on Thu 14 Dec 2023 09:26
Quote from: doowe on Wed 13 Dec 2023 21:05
So much easier when the ball had to move its full circumference before it was in play at a corner kick, free kick or penalty kick.

Yes, because it was really easy to judge its exact circumference !
It became another of the Laws that was routinely ignored.  How many people ever saw a re-start re-taken because the ball hadn't moved at least 27 to 28 inches?  It was a nonsense of a Law which was rightly changed.

It was a quaint aspect of the Laws that I quite liked, but that is progress.

I also liked that the ball had to weigh between fourteen and sixteen ounces at the start of play.  It harked back to the days of "real" leather footballs that could significantly increase in weight during the games if it was wet.


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General Discussion / Re: Dodgy Corner Kick Tactic?
« on: Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:26 »
Its not new.  I remember the Uxbridge Manager speaking to me before an Isthmian League match back in the mid-1990s to alert me that this was a tactic they might use during the game.  He did so because - in an earlier game - a referee / linesman had missed the ball being played and ruled out the "sneak" tactic.

My guess is that the publicity it has received today will have killed it off for any effective future use.

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General Discussion / Re: Man United vs Chelsea. Ref: Chris Kavanagh
« on: Fri 08 Dec 2023 17:35 »
Quote from: Pm2 on Thu 07 Dec 2023 22:13
Quote from: Leggy on Thu 07 Dec 2023 19:03
I have not seen the incident, but if it was a clear penalty, why did none of the four officials at the ground spot it?
it was after the ball was played.kavanagh was looking and moving away.that’s what var is for.

Thanks to Ben's link, I have now seen it.  I stand by the comment made in ignorance.  CK is in a central position pretty much looking straight at the challenge.

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International Appointments / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/2024
« on: Fri 08 Dec 2023 17:28 »
Quote from: MCPridz on Fri 08 Dec 2023 14:49
Why was this game played randomly on Wednesday night and another europa league game randomly played at the weekend

As it involved a side from Israel, I suspect that they were previously postponed as a result of the war in the area.

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General Discussion / Re: Man United vs Chelsea. Ref: Chris Kavanagh
« on: Thu 07 Dec 2023 19:03 »
I have not seen the incident, but if it was a clear penalty, why did none of the four officials at the ground spot it?

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General Discussion / Re: S A HOOPER - Man C v Tottenham
« on: Sun 03 Dec 2023 20:43 »
Quote from: watfordref on Sun 03 Dec 2023 20:15
Quote from: Leggy on Sun 03 Dec 2023 19:25
I think Simon Hooper has been very hard done by as he did Man City a big favour.

After the foul he certainly played (and signalled advantage) but when the pass was played you could clearly see the AR halting his run in readiness to raise his flag for offside.  As the AR will have communicated this to Simon Hooper he "saved" Man City by coming back and awarding the original free-kick.  Whilst the "advantage" would have been better, it was no good to Man City if flagged for offside.  The outcome is the best that it could have been for Man City and their reaction betrays a staggering ignorance of the law as well as equally staggering arrogance.

Perhaps it would have been better for overall communication if the AR had actually raised his flag for offside (like in the olden days before comms were around).

This whole post and subsequent rant at Man City's "staggering ignorance of the law" is quite ironic given your whole post is based around something which is factually incorrect and a wholly inaccurate portrayal of what happened!

Grealish isn't offside (by a long way!) and the AR2 doesn't stop running until Hooper blows his whistle.

Accepting that it is not offside does not mean that the AR and referee were coming to the (incorrect) conclusion that it was going to be offside and that a free-kick for the original offence is the best (or least worst) outcome.

They may have been incorrect, but that just puts them in a group of 100% of the human beings on planet earth.  It is sad that - after a game in which there were mistakes aplenty - the wrath of the world seems to be heaped on the referee!  But it was ever thus .... a zillion pound striker misses an open goal and he is "unlucky"; a referee makes a mistake .....

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