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« on: Tue 13 Apr 2021 15:18 »
Good to see that people come on here and try to defend (EDITED,TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE LANGUAGE )and call it as it is..
The laughing stock of the footballing world they are. It’s not acceptable and shouldn’t be. A mistake? I use the word incompetent....
I don't think that encouraging people to do what has now been edited out is helpful in any circumstances, and certainly not in this case. People are entitled to their opinion and to an opinion that differs from yours. Perhaps if you avoided the hyperbole ("they must be sacked", "incompetent") your reasonable arguments may hold greater sway. PS: I thought it was a rubbish decision as well. But less the blame of the VAR "operatives" than the people telling them what to do and how to do it. When it is your main source of income, one tends to do as the boss says. The history of football is littered with plenty of "brave" referees who have called it as it is and seen their careers suffer as a result. When it was a hobby / pastime, getting on the wrong side of the "boss" was way less serious than when it is the day job.
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« on: Mon 12 Apr 2021 18:54 »
Wasn't there a law amendment allowing a quick free kick with the caution to follow at the next natural stoppage in play? This to give an advantage to the offended team. Or did I just make that up?
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« on: Mon 12 Apr 2021 06:51 »
In the days when things were more straightforward (simple?) the circumstances as described by Ashington would have resulted in an attacking indirect free kick for dangerous play. His ignorance of the location of the opponent neither excuses or negates the fact that he has played in a manner considered to be dangerous to an opponent. He did not look - if I emerge from a side road without looking and cause an accident, I will be at fault.
Today, if there is contact it would be a direct free kick / penalty kick regardless of intent. As described, it sounds like a penalty to me.
As for the Son incident, he was fouled but the BAFTA winning over-reaction wants me to justify over-ruling the foul on moral grounds. Not allowed, but on the basis that VAR and Andre reviewed the incident a yellow card for simulation would be appropriate. OLG cannot complain about the over-reaction because his players (almost all players) do it.
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« on: Sun 11 Apr 2021 19:17 »
Much lower level but I once did Banstead Athletic in the Isthmian leage of the Saturday and returned to the same ground on the Tuesday to referee their tenants, Epsom & Ewell.
Also, as a result of a late cry-off, I was fourth official at two consecutive Maidstone United football league games over Christmas.
Both were a long time ago!
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« on: Sat 10 Apr 2021 10:24 »
I was at the Palace v Millwall game on 19th March 1969. A midweek game re-arranged because of a previous postponement, the game was a promotion 6-pointer in Div 2, a S London derby and played in front of over 32,500 fans, and with six goals in a Palace 4-2 win, it was definitely one of the great evenings in Palace history, and ultimately helped Palace to promotion at the end of the season. And the evening's entertainment was helped by the refereeing of Roger Kirkpatrick who was at his brilliant and eccentric best. Most of the fans went home totally satisfied!
Except, perhaps, the Millwall fans!!
Palace 5 Man Utd 0, Dec 1972, another great day in Palace history, although alas I wasn't there to see it. Referee was John Hunting.
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« on: Fri 09 Apr 2021 06:58 »
Sunny and Bhupinder Gill become the first South Asian brothers to officiate in the same Championship game (Bristol City v Nottingham Forest). They are the sons of former FL ref Jarnail Singh who retired in 2010. (BBC)
My abiding memory of dad is his awarding of a goal to Huddersfield direct from a throw-in. Apparently he "thought" it had brushed the top of someone's head.
I'm not bitter 
If that was the incident at Barnsley the referee was Gurnam Singh not Jarnail.
They may have shared a surname, but were otherwise entirely different in terms of refereeing characteristics. I know which one I preferred the company of.
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« on: Thu 08 Apr 2021 08:10 »
In a sensible world he would be trained as a specialist Video Official.
"In a sensible world ....." That rules the PGMOB out then.
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« on: Wed 07 Apr 2021 16:27 »
Maybe it's time to have AARs and VAR together!
Here is the "Refereeing XI": 1. Referee 2. Assistant Referee #1 3. Assistant Referee #2 4. Fourth Official (& Reserve Referee) 5. Reserve Assistant Referee 6. Additional Assistant Referee #1 7. Additional Assistant Referee #2 8. Video Assistant Referee 9. Additional Video Assistant Referee #1 10. Additional Video Assistant Referee #2 11. Timekeeper.
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« on: Sat 03 Apr 2021 17:23 »
The "powers that be" always used to know which games needed a ref who turned up with his "tin hat" on. These referees were often not the best, not the smoothest, not the ones who "worked" the boardroom, not the ones at the top of the merit table but they could deal with games like the one at the Stadium of Light yesterday. I have only met Trevor Kettle once (18 years ago in a Football Combination game at Worthing GC - name dropper!!) and I do not remember much about the game or Trevor himself. But from what I read on here, he appears to be a "tin hat" referee. John Key from Rotherham was another.
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« on: Wed 31 Mar 2021 09:51 »
Schick red card - https://twitter.com/i/status/1376986142298533896
Roberts second caution - https://twitter.com/i/status/1376992507473620998
Roberts looks like he makes a bit of a meal of the incident with Schick, but it's definitely a red card. Can't see what Roberts did to get a caution from that video.
Doesn't look like a great deal of contact for Roberts' second caution. Careless at most for me.
In both cases there is contact to the head. In both cases it is difficult to discern the level of (i) force and (ii) intent used. More importantly, in both cases the "victim" over-reacts in an effort to get a fellow professional player into trouble, before making a rapid and 100% recovery. This is obvious from viewing of each of the above clips on the morning after the match. Please can the football authorities do exactly that and start to sanction the screamers, the actors and the over-reactors who are now trained and conditioned to make every contact from an opponent into a Shakespearian tragedy. They are a making the game a farce.
Come on Leggy, that is rather unfair on our William. I am not a literary man, in spite of owning a book business for twenty years, however, I have to admit that William was rather adept at writing both tragedies and farce, however, these actors on the football field are failing miserably in their efforts to convince me of anything except that they would be struggling to play a part in the local Am Dram.
Their actions are killing the game and they are not helping the officials who seem to be working under some very strange directives these days.
Fair point. I would correct to say that they are making it a: "Poor attempt at a Shakespearian tragedy".
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« on: Wed 31 Mar 2021 07:09 »
Schick red card - https://twitter.com/i/status/1376986142298533896
Roberts second caution - https://twitter.com/i/status/1376992507473620998
Roberts looks like he makes a bit of a meal of the incident with Schick, but it's definitely a red card. Can't see what Roberts did to get a caution from that video.
Doesn't look like a great deal of contact for Roberts' second caution. Careless at most for me.
In both cases there is contact to the head. In both cases it is difficult to discern the level of (i) force and (ii) intent used. More importantly, in both cases the "victim" over-reacts in an effort to get a fellow professional player into trouble, before making a rapid and 100% recovery. This is obvious from viewing of each of the above clips on the morning after the match. Please can the football authorities do exactly that and start to sanction the screamers, the actors and the over-reactors who are now trained and conditioned to make every contact from an opponent into a Shakespearian tragedy. They are a making the game a farce.
447
« on: Sat 27 Mar 2021 11:31 »
28th March 2021
Greece V Honduras
Referee: Urs Schnyder (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Marco Zürcher (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan Köbeli (SUI)
Fourth Official: Emmanouil Skoulas (GRE)
Northern Ireland V USA (Windsor Park)
Referee: Robert Jenkins (WAL)
Assistant Referee 1: Daniel Beckett (WAL)
Assistant Referee 2: Johnathon Bryant (WAL)
Fourth Official: Cheryl Foster (WAL)
A bit of reciprocity going on here ..... a Welsh refereeing team in Northern Ireland (with a female 4th) and a Northern Ireland refereeing team in Wales.
448
« on: Wed 24 Mar 2021 11:01 »
Nitin Menon has been very highly used in this series - on-field for all four test matches (**) all three ODIs and a couple of T20Is. Has any player been so busy across these games?
** - At least the third and fourth tests were completed quick enough!!
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« on: Sun 21 Mar 2021 19:25 »
Forgive me Nemesis, for rising to the bait, but a while back you (quite reasonably) criticised me for quoting the Laws of the Game as the reason why a foul challenge in the middle of the field should be treated equitably with one in the penalty area.
I think that - in that case - there was a general agreement that while I was right in Law you were right in "reality".
In this case, you are right in Law, but in "reality" some players just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and pick up a caution on behalf of the persistent (and probably pre-meditated) foul challenges committed by his colleagues.
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« on: Sun 21 Mar 2021 10:41 »
It was an example that - in the heat of a seriously important, passionate, testosterone filled match:
~ The referee can remain calm, and in total control of proceedings;
~ The communication between referee, assistant referees and television match official can be controlled, logical and clear (and shared with the watching spectators);
~ Big, game changing decisions can be made, explained to the team captains and respected;
~ Players can give their all without to seek victory without resorting to diving, feigning serious injury, cheating and then harassing the referee when he does not agree to the unreasonable demands;
~ Players can look to their own shortcomings (which are within their control) when questioned in a post match interview - rather than taking the option of blaming the match officials.
Association Football please take note.
One other thought ...... World rugby is determined to make the game safer and the sanction for contact to the head (without mitigation) is a red card. During this six-nations there have been a lot more red cards than has previously been the case. Had this been football, there would have been siren calls for "common sense" to prevail and the clampdown would have petered out (as many have done over the years). World Rugby is not so craven, or beholden to its vested interests and the game will be safer as a result. It also has back-bone.
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