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I Spy Old Refs! / Re: Barry Breuilly (Jersey referee)
« on: Fri 12 May 2023 17:12 »
The very definition of a "character" who made refereeing in Jersey more entertaining and fun.  His only gripe was not always being able to plug in his hair-dryer in some of the Island's more "basic" referee changing facilities.

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General Discussion / Re: C KAVANAGH - Newcastle v Arsenal
« on: Sun 07 May 2023 20:05 »
All of the wording about it deflecting off their own body or a nearby opponent was taken out of law this season.  The only consideration now is was the arm in a position as a consequence of or justifiable by the player's body movement for that specific situation.  A deflection is no longer a consideration.

My view is he was trying his best to get his arm out of the way and it was therefore in a justifiable position.


The irony of this one is that when the ball made contact with his hand he was moving has hand from a perfectly natural position (by his side) into an unnatural position (behind his back) to avoid conceding a penalty because of the (daft) way the Law is worded and applied nowadays.

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General Discussion / Re: L Doughty - Sheff Wed v Derby
« on: Sun 07 May 2023 19:59 »
Soft, but he gave the referee a decision to make.  If VAR had been there it would not have intervened.

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General Discussion / Re: Bobby Madden
« on: Thu 04 May 2023 16:59 »
I was amazed by what Madden revealed. England has always insisted on having some version of this ludicrous system. I canít believe, in the cold light of day, even clubs themselves think itís an effective way to rate referees. Clubs deserve a view but obviously will always have a vested interest - as posters have said, a system which encourages cosying up to clubs to improve ratings is never going to be healthy. At lower/semi-pro levels, itís even more of an issue, and it affects referees coming through the system. I remember many times being an AR at semi-pro games, keen to get home (but where officials travel together), waiting forever for the referee desperately trying to win over the Club Secretary in the bar after the game! I equally remember lots of superb referees who never quite got through the levels thanks to the very random whims of club secretaries, as well as certain referees conveniently avoiding certain clubs at key times Ö Not signs of an effective, professional system!

100% agree.  "Working the club secretary" was a necessary art / skill in the 80s and 90s in English semi-pro football.  The appointments secretary of a south-east based league had an excellent working knowledge of the whims of these worthy individuals.  He admitted that he could - if he wanted to - make any referee rise to the top of the merit list by sending him to a select number of well marking clubs.  He could also achieve the opposite outcome.  I should add that he had far too much integrity to actually do this, but it did make a mockery of the "club marks" way of assessing referees.

If some version of this approach is in operation in the EFL then it is working against the best interests of the game.  But then it sits well alongside the fact that the owner-shareholders of the PGMOL are (directly and indirectly) the clubs themselves.  Perhaps the lunatics really have taken over the asylum.

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General Discussion / Re: P TIERNEY: LIV V TOT
« on: Mon 01 May 2023 17:35 »
I have not commented on this site for some time and likely will not do so again. There are many fantastic posters on here but I have become a little disillusioned with the lack of even the smallest amount impartiality some posters are able to muster when commenting on the performance of a referee who officiates a match involving the team they support.

I felt compelled, however, to comment on this thread, as I felt that today summed up everything wrong with Premier League refereeing. Let me start by saying that I place little blame on Paul Tierney and John Brooks, I think they are only doing what their bosses want. In a sense, I don't even place full blame on Mr. Klopp, yes his behavior (like many, if not most managers) towards officials is appalling but nothing has been put in place in terms of deterrent by the league for this type of action. Likewise for players, it seems that screaming the face of officials and generally behaving like children (and that is an insult to most children) is ok in the Premier League.

I think that there were two incidents of SFP today. One from each team. I also think that in neither case would the Premier League like referees to actually apply the laws. So I cannot blame Mr. Tierney. After Liverpool's final goal, a fantastic piece of skill, Mr. Klopp's first reaction was to run to the 4th official John Brooks, stand close to him, and appear to scream in his face. This action is totally unacceptable by any measure, there is absolutely no justification. It should have been met with a red card from the referee and a lengthy suspension from the authorities. This is not passion, it is abuse. His team had scored. He was more interested in abusing the officials than celebrating with his players and fans. Again though, I feel I cannot blame Mr. Brooks. He likely wants a lengthy career.

In terms of Mr. Tierney refusing to shake Mr. Klopp's hand, which I did not personally see, I agree with Whistleblower. I personally like to always shake hands with everyone at the end of a match however, I can understand being reluctant to shake the hand of someone who has treated you with no respect during the game appears to be further dissenting in the aftermath.

Two final points - Firstly, the Tottenham coach should also have been dismissed, however his actions pale compared to Klopp's disrespect. Secondly, on the idea that Mr. Tierney may have spoken out of turn when cautioning Mr. Klopp, there is no evidence for this, other than an insinuation from Mr. Klopp which one could see as deliberately vague so as to stoke up conspiratorial ire among fans towards the referee. All conversations are recorded so the PGMOL will know soon. To complain about a referee's speech, publicly, then refuse to say what was actually said, to me at least, seems rather suspect and not in any way helpful.

I am sure that Liverpool fans will say that I am attacking their team. I can assure them that I do not support any Premier League team, nor any soccer team at all. I am only interested in officiating. I would also hope that long time contributors, while not always agreeing with my comments, will know that I also post in as fair a manner as I can.

My final comment is that Premier League refereeing is in a very poor state. Referees are not truly referees anymore but occasion managers. Every attempt seems to be made to tolerate poor behavior of players both in terms of foul play and the constant abuse of officials. It seems it is the desire of the powers that be that 22 players be kept on the pitch, almost at all costs. I am not sure who is served by this approach but I don't feel it is working and I don't think it will end well. I wish all referees the very best and hope that they, collectively, will change their approach.

I agree with every word written above (except for the American spelling of "behaviour"!!)

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General Discussion / Re: C Kavanagh - West Ham v Liverpool
« on: Thu 27 Apr 2023 16:27 »
Moyes' moan is a classic manager's tactic to avoid addressing why his team lost.  Its the footballing equivalent of a dead cat distraction.

As an aside, I am fed up with the nonsense surrounding VAR during (and after) a game.  I would dearly like to see VAR used on a team challenge basis.  Give the team captain three challenges per game and they can use them as they see fit.  If they are right, they keep the challenge, if they are wrong they lose it.

As soon as the committee of players surrounds the referee to dispute a decision, the referee can - in essence - ask the captain to:  "Put up or shut up".  It works in cricket and hockey; football should try it.

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General Discussion / Re: Rob Jones : Preston vs Blackburn
« on: Mon 24 Apr 2023 17:20 »
Clearly, they are not.  And the player is shameless (but he is not alone in that regard).

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General Discussion / Re: Stoke v West Brom - Andy Woolmer
« on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 18:34 »
I found it quite interesting that Andy Woolmer seemed to put his red and yellow out the same notebook! Iíve not seen that at quite a high level before. It looked like he had one red and one yellow in the same notebook. Iíve seen some referees have a notebook with two yellow cards in but never have I seen it that way at such a high level.

Danny Makkelie had both cards in his notebook until quite recently. I think he's gone back to having them in separate pockets again now but only the last month or so.

If I were officiating Iíd use Simon Hoopersí  style of cards, one with the notebook inside with the cover all yellow.

However, Iím not sure where he gets his from.

The long lamented A&H used to sell a notebook with a yellow card on both sides of the inside front cover and a red on on both sides of the inside back cover.  You could then use the notebook to record the caution / sending off and then use the appropriate inside cover to show the card.  Simples.

Edited to fix the quote thingamajigga, bmb

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I think if it was last game of the season then any other fixtures that had a bearing on this result would/should be halted. But with 3 games still to go, its a non story

There is nothing the referee can do to make the players "try harder".  From the (comically speeded up) footage it does look more like a real game than originally advertised, but that could be misleading.

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General Discussion / Re: Michael Oliver goes Saudi!
« on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 07:46 »
I suspect that it was financially attractive.   Just as clubs take their (overworked) players on lucrative pre-season tours, referees can see past the workload for a (well-earned) pay-day.

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Football League - L1 & L2 / Re: Sat 15th Ė Tue 18th APR 2023
« on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 07:41 »
Spotland debuts for Messrs Swabey (nice long journey) and Tallis.

Indeed thatís a clunky mileage claim from Cornwall to Spotland!

Cornwall? Did you say Cornwall ? Pfft please check your geography and try again. Tut tut

Almost Cornwall?

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General Discussion / Re: Leeds v Liverpool - Craig Pawson
« on: Tue 18 Apr 2023 17:14 »
I am quite surprised at the lack of comment on here about this one.  I saw it live and it called "handball" without hesitation.  No subsequent reply has changed that instinctive judgement, only reinforced it.

The VAR debate is a red herring as this is one that the referee should be seeing and penalising.

PS:   I am not a Leeds fan (although my wife is!!) and this did not impact the result as Leeds do appear to have a most generous approach to defending at the moment.  Does not detract from the error though.

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Following a trip to Rome this Thursday, Antony Taylor is 4th Official at Anfield on Saturday and then refereeing on the south coast (Bournemouth) the next day - that's a long schlep between venues is a short space of time.  I know he is a professional referee, etc. etc. but that is far from ideal and no player would be asked to do it.

He repeats the trick midweek with 4th Official duties at Nottingham Forest on Wednesday and then refereeing at Spurs the next day.  A shorter distance, but still not great.

Added to the earlier comments made about referees officiating the same team in a short period of time suggests they need to spend a bit more time working on resource management than is currently the case.

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Taylor is 4th Official at Anfield on Saturday and then refereeing on the south coast (Bournemouth) the next day - that's a long schlep between venues is a short space of time.  I know he is a professional referee, etc. etc. but that is far from ideal and no player would be asked to do it.

He repeats the trick midweek with 4th Official duties at Nottingham Forest on Wednesday and then refereeing at Spurs the next day.  A shorter distance, but still not great.

Added to the earlier comments made about referees officiating the same team in a short period of time suggests they need to spend a bit more time working on resource management than is currently the case.

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General Discussion / Re: S HOOPER: FOREST V MAN UTD
« on: Mon 17 Apr 2023 18:56 »
Perhaps a controversial opinion but I would actually place Hooper as only just behind Michael Oliver this season. If merit had anything to do with the FA Cup final appointment, his can be the only name on it in my opinion!

Which probably 100% guarantees that he will not get it.   I'll guess we'll know in about a week's time.

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