RateTheRef

Quote from: ex-ref on Tue 07 Mar 2023 16:48

Welcome to the EFL for Abigail Byrne, albeit as 4O.

Not sure I recall seeing her on the appointments list before but no doubt someone wiser than me will know.

Quite a few of the 2b refs have done 4th official duties this season, it’s becoming the normal.  More for the EFL trophy early rounds. 
She has done a few this season

What goes around ...... used to happen all the time in the 80s / 90s .....

It was disappointing that Fernandez hitting the AR was not sanctioned.  A number of parks referees will get thumped next weekend and you can draw a direct causal relationship between these events.

In addition, the number of occasions when players of both sides (well all professional sides actually) have feigned injury in order to get an opponent into trouble is on the rise.  In this game, a Manchester United player attempted to do this after about 75 minutes when they were (only) 4-0 down.  Lets imagine that - in a parallel universe - this attempt at deception was successful (both with the referee and VAR) and the Liverpool player was red carded.  It is highly unlikely that this act of deception would have changed the result, so why do it?  Its now the "leaned" response of a player to respond to any physical contact - however minimal - in this theatrical way.

If successfully deceiving a match official is punishable with a two-match ban, surely an unsuccessful attempt should attract the same sanction?  Or are we saying that while murder is a crime, attempted murder is not?

A couple of hours a week reviewing the weekend's games followed by two-match bans for the "feigners" would have this problem solved in six weeks.  But we know that it is not going to happen, because of the powers-that-be wanted that they would have empowered the match officials to deal with it.  And they have clearly done pretty much 100% the opposite.

172 - William Cleere was universally known as Bill.
149 - Colin Boswell.

Jim or sometimes Jimmy Borrett was certainly one of the 'characters' of the refereeing world. Very popular in officiating circles in East Anglia and I believe many of the League Clubs enjoyed having him as their referee. However he wasn't an 'establishment' man and so the powers that be didn't raise him to the height which his talent probably deserved.

Agree with that.  there is a (probably untrue, both worth telling) story that a Football League club complained to Lytham St. Annes' that he was seen eating a fish and chips supper a couple of hours before a game and that it was "highly unprofessional".  The reply from the Fylde coast was that his performance could not have been too bad as the club in question had marked him 8/10!!

Having met Jim, I'd really like to believe it was true ....

269   McMenamin   James "Jim"   Orpington   KEN             

I remember Jim.  He came south from Scotland (a la Bobby Madden) because of work and - because of his seniority within Scottish Refereeing circles - slotted into the "Panel" as it was then.  He refereed Conference and Football Combination games and lined on the Football League.  Despite living in Orpington, I am pretty sure that he was a London FA referee as I have a vague memory of lining to him in either a London Senior Cup tie, or an early FA Appointment (which was delegated to the London FA.

Quote from: Leggy on Mon 13 Feb 2023 17:14

OK - here goes, any where I am not 100% certain have "??" at the end:-

94 - Basil Baker.
97 - Graham Bargery ??
117 - Michael (Mike) Bullivent - later FL Ref.
146 - Graham Crafter - later became something big in Korfball officiating.
147 - Vernon Crew.
151 - Philip (Phil) Crossley - later FL Ref.
158 - Derek Daughtery.
161 - Alan Dawson ??
164 - Philip (Phil) Don - later FL and FIFA Ref.
179 - W A (Tony) Flood ??.
180 - Peter Foakes - later FL Ref and father to England wicket-keeper Ben.
181 - Philip (Phil) Forsdick ??
182 - David (Dave) Frampton - later FL Ref.
190 - Emerson Griffith - a trail blazer for black Football League officials.
201 - Paul (T P) Healy.
202 - Peter (Pete) Helsby ??
203 - Colin Henderson.
241 - David Keen.
255 - Stuart Louden ??
259 - David (Dave) Madgwick ??
269 - James (Jim) McMenamin.
278 - Kelvin Morton - later FL Ref.
280 - A P (Tony) Murphy) ??
290 - E J (Jim / James) Parker - later FL Ref.
294 - Roger Pawley - later FL Ref.
295 - Colin Peake.
299 - Ronald (Ron) Pearl ??
300 - Geoffrey (Geoff)  Pearson - later FL Ref ??
310 - Barry Priest ??
311 - Christopher (Chris) Proud.
329 - Richard Saunders.
330 - Paul Scoble - later FL Ref.
333 - David (Dave) - Shadwell ??
340 - A W S (Arthur) Smith - later FL Ref and General Secretary of the Referees' Association.
353 - Michael (Mike) Taylor ??
361 - Michael (Mike) Topping ??
369 - Michael (Mick) Vigus.
276 - Keith Wenham.
285 - A C (Tony) Williams.

300 Geoffrey 'Geoff' Pearson, agreed yes, another Surrey colleague in former days. However, he did not get on to the referees list and I'm wondering whether you're thinking of Roger Pearson of Peterlee who did make it on to the list.

You are, of course, right.  Its not a conflation of Pearsons, just a failing of (one's own) memory.

I think he’s been superb in a highly charged atmosphere and game.

This is the first game since Webb had called the meeting of all SG1 officials and the early stamping out of time wasting with a card in the first half hour or so looks like a possible result of such discussions.

Will be interesting to see if that measure is continued into the weekend.

After the early caution for time wasting, I wondered out loud if this had almost given Ederson a free-pass to push his luck with time wasting.  The odds of a referee at this level giving a goal-keeper (or any player) two yellow cards for time wasting are higher than of me winning the lottery jackpot (and I do not play the lottery!!