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General Discussion / Re: Sunny Singh Gill
« on: Fri 15 Mar 2024 18:48 »
Jarnail is still officiating in the Combined Counties League

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I Spy Old Refs! / Re: Bob Bassindale (Doncaster)
« on: Wed 21 Feb 2024 10:20 »
Carl (1958) son of Robert "Bob" (1927-88) & Rita (1930-2016)

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Level 4i was introduced for offshore island officials

Harry Walker (Jersey) is at university on the mainland and is part of the CORE programme

He was an assistant on the Falmouth Town v Hartpury University F.A. Vase 4th Round match

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General Discussion / Re: Blue cards for football
« on: Thu 08 Feb 2024 22:03 »
Blue cards already used here for 5 a side sin bins. Would be very useful for clarification of sin bin offences.

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I Spy Old Refs! / Bob Bassindale (Doncaster)
« on: Sat 03 Feb 2024 09:10 »
newspaper snippet which might be useful to the collectors of these details -

Bob Bassindale (Doncaster)
Linesman Wed 3rd Nov 1971 EC R2 2L Feyenoord v Dynamo Bucharest

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General Discussion / Re: Female Assistants
« on: Wed 24 Jan 2024 10:30 »
Wendy Toms was the senior referee at the Island Games in Guernsey in 2003 so was appointed to the group decider between Guernsey and Rhodes as it had "potential"

The match was reviewed twenty years on when Guernsey hosted again in July 2023

Island Games: 'Rhodes rage' revisited

When the Guernsey Press was moving into the current office at Braye Road in 2005, the editorial desk heads were asked for some of their favourite cover stories which would be blown up into enormous prints and used to decorate the walls. One immediately sprang to mind as arguably one of the best headlines to adorn the front page of the newspaper. It simply read, ‘Rhodes rage’.

To the thousands at the Corbet Field the previous evening, it was one of the most memorable football matches they will ever have seen.
Such were the extraordinary scenes as five of the Rhodes side were sent off against the home island in their key group fixture as ‘the friendly Games turned ugly’ that even those of us who were on reporting duty at other Island Games venues were getting phone calls about it – and this was long before social media, in the days when having a mobile phone was still a novelty rather than a necessity.

Due to the amount of red cards, the game was abandoned and it was the last time Rhodes played in the tournament, with Guernsey going on to win gold on home soil. Almost exactly 20 years on, two of the key players in that Guernsey squad, Matt Warren and Tony Vance shared their recollections of that tournament – and that match in particular – for the Guernsey Press Football Podcast Island Games special, but the passage of time has not diminished their bewilderment at what happened.

They already had an idea of what was to come following their clash with the same opponents at the Gotland 1999 Games. Tony Vance: ‘I remember that game vividly actually, because I got picked on in that game as well. Myself and Grant Chalmers, we were subjected to a few instances and it was just bizarre really. I don’t know why they behaved like that, in particular to us. I don’t know if they saw us as a threat, but I wouldn’t say we were a particular threat in 1999. It was carnage... we we’re getting pinched, punched, spat at, they were doing all sorts off the ball. So that was kind of, for me, an early warning and sort of built up the expectation of the game. You kind of think that four years on, it would be a different group of people, different ethos, whatever, but it was probably quite the opposite.’

In a nutshell, Guernsey had beaten Alderney 7-1 and Orkney 10-0 in their first two group games, but knew the fixture with Rhodes would be pivotal. Within the first six minutes two of the Greek players had been booked, but it was Rhodes who took the lead with a brilliant free-kick from Savvas Karavolas on 10 minutes. Seven minutes later came the first of six red cards in the game after a horrible challenge on Vance and two more sendings off followed – including Guernsey’s Ryan Tippett – before the home side equalised through Paul Nobes retaken penalty. Early in the second half, Guernsey were awarded another penalty, the taking of which was delayed by Rhodes continually kicking the ball away. Warren eventually scored from the spot, but in the immediate aftermath there was more punching and stamping, but no red cards. Two were to come 16 minutes later, though, after Vance was shoved into the stand and shortly afterwards the game was abandoned when a fifth Rhodes player was sent off. That was not the end of the story, though, as the visiting team and their supporters gathered in front of the stand, celebrating the outcome and intimidating anyone who dared to try and restrain them.

Matt Warren: ‘It was just a ridiculous game of football. There’s no better way of putting it. Wendy Toms was the referee who was most qualified, most experienced referee I think we had in the Games at the time, so the decision was that she should then have the Rhodes-Guernsey game given that it could get a bit fiery, which I don’t think actually helped – not through her refereeing ability, but I think through culturally maybe the respect that she had from Rhodes, I don’t think went in the favour of how they behaved. But it was just crazy. It’s a game we’re never going to forget. The people there, they’re not going to forget it either. It started pretty much straight from the kick-off and I remember they went 1-0 up and it was a brilliant free kick. If they actually just concentrated on playing football against us, they’d have beaten us because they were good, they were really good. But there were a couple of late challenges. I don’t know what started it all off, but I just remember various incidents during the game. I remember Tony getting pushed into the concrete stand at the Corbet Field. He was running at pace, which he had before all his ankle injuries, just running down the line, knocked the ball and the guy just came in and arms just straight out, just shoved him. Because of the amount of people that were there as well, it was through them into the stand. It was just mental.’

Tony Vance: ‘Because I landed in the crowd and an old lady ended up on the floor, she ended up in the hospital from it. It was horrendous. But yeah, we were kind of prepared for it a little bit. We’d spoken about it and coach Colin Fallaize, as part of his training process and plan, if you like, was gear us up for any eventuality, be it you’ve got to run, you’ve got to give everything you can, but also reactions to situations. When you’re training, he’s a master at giving decisions that are awful, can annoy you, really wind you up. He just does it on purpose just to test your mentality and he was doing that consistently during our training regime to the extent that everyone was virtually wanting to beat each other up because they were getting so wound up. Eventually it sort of clicked, if you like, and we were very prepared for that. I would fear knowing our current group the way they are, and sometimes what they have to deal with in the English football leagues, I’m not sure many of our players would stay on the pitch against Rhodes, to be honest, because of their mentality and how they are. Given our build up to the Games and the problems we had, I think an awful lot of credit has to go to Fal for how he got the group together. We were prepared to do anything for each other, as well as keep our calm and focus in what were plainly ridiculous situations. We had the kick off, the ball came back to me, I remember just flicking it past this guy and bang, and he’s booked within 20 seconds, sort of Vinnie Jones like. I rode the tackle, but we thought, “well, okay, here we go”. Then, 10 minutes in, they got a free kick, they are 1-0 up and we’re in trouble. You could tell in their eyes that there was something up.

Matt Warren: ‘I think a lot of them had actually dyed their hair or they had like strips in their hair. It was like they’d psyched themselves up for this game, a bit like it was going to be like a war and that’s how they approached it. It was like WWE. It was challenges at waist height, going into you, reactions, pushing, punching, spitting, kicking.’

Tony Vance: ‘The best thing was that because they dyed their hair blue, I think it started raining and then all the dye went in their eyes and their eyes started stinging, so that was quite funny. But they were masters at trying to manipulate situations. They’d worked out that they’d tag team players, so one person would hit someone and then somebody else would get them, then when a foul would go in they’d surround the player so the ref wouldn’t necessarily know who it was. And there were instances where sometimes you found yourself in their huddle It certainly happened to me and I know it happened to Tippy, who eventually lost it. When they get you in that huddle while you’re in there, you’re stuck in there, they’re kicking you and punching you and spitting in your face and you’re trying to get out. It was carnage. I know the poor referee got hit as well when they completely lost it. So it was an incredible game. I’d love to see the footage again, but from what I was told they took it away and used it as a FIFA training tool for referees. So I just don’t know where it is, but it would just be gold that.’

Matt Warren: ‘When she sent off their fifth player... at that point no one really knew what was going on because I don’t think anyone had really witnessed a game before in local football of five people being sent off and then what actually happens. So the fact that it was then being stopped, I think the police came down to the ground. The crowd were just flabbergasted by it all.’

Tony Vance: ‘This is quite interesting because the fact they knew this rule must mean that they’ve practised it or have been part of it before, but they knew when a certain number are off the field, the game gets abandoned. I can remember them saying one more and the game’s abandoned and they were literally trying to get sent off in the end. To a certain degree, it really, really helped our progress in the competition. We’d come off the back of a poor Muratti result and suddenly we had even more support behind us because of the way we managed to deal with it. Other sports were taking notice and funnily enough I think it did football in Guernsey a lot of favours, because in the past we’d never always been 100% accepted in the Island Games for various reasons. So I think it went a long way to gain you some respect. Despite the sort of tackles that we had to deal with, we actually didn’t play that much in the game because it was just stop-start, stop-start, so it probably saved our legs a little bit.’

An emergency meeting of the Games organisers was convened that night with the outcome being that Rhodes were ejected from the football competition and Guernsey progressed to the semi-finals.

Tony Vance: ‘I can remember going home and there was a live Games radio station that they had and that was going on into all hours. People phoning up, it was quite interesting. Obviously now it would be all over social media. I think we had a rest day the next day, so it was dusting ourselves down and getting ready for the next challenge.’

Guernsey went on to beat the Isle of Wight 3-1 in their semi-final and capped a memorable week by winning the gold medal match against the Isle of Man at Footes Lane, also 3-1, with Warren the hat-trick hero.

Ironically that same week the 2007 Games were awarded to Rhodes. The day after that their women's football team smeared their own excrement over their changing room walls in a supposed protest at their men's ejection from the competition. That fact was kept out out of the Games coverage at the time for fear of it overshadowing everything else that was going on.

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Trevor Simpson (Sowerby Bridge/Halifax)

Q3 1943 - Jan 2023, aged 79

Trevor Simpson was born and raised in the Calderdale area and spent most of his working life in Halifax. After joining the legal firm of Bearder and Son, solicitors, from school, he spent thirty two years working for them as the agency manager for the Abbey National Building Society. When Abbey decided in 1990 to open a full branch office in direct competition to Halifax Building Society they wisely offered Trevor the job of the manager of the new Branch. A promotion followed to the regional office as a Business Development Manager where he worked for several years, before he took early retirement and began the research for his books.

A keen sportsman, Trevor played as a goalkeeper in local junior football before being approached by Halifax Town where he played for several seasons but never managed to break through into the first team. An injury in 1966 enforced his change of direction by becoming a football referee and after learning his craft in the Halifax & District Leagues he progressed all the way to the Football League where he spent seven seasons (1984-5 to 1990-1) officiating at the highest domestic level. Two appearances as referee at Wembley F.A. finals, various European and International matches and as a linesman at a World Cup qualifier completed his career as an active referee. He still retains his activity in football in the employment of The Professional Game Match Official Ltd. as a referee coach and also operates as an assessor of referees on the F.A. Premier League. He holds a proud record as a referee at the Dallas Cup International Youth Tournament in Texas where he has completed over 30 consecutive years.

His greatest interest outside of sport has always been popular music. An avid record collector since his teenage years, he possesses practically every version of every song ever sung by Elvis Presley along with a complete collection of every chart topping record issued in the 78rpm format since the British record charts began in 1952. His love of country music is illustrated by having the complete number one recordings in the American charts from 1944 up to the current week. As a writer he has contributed articles to Goldmine, Elvis The Man and His Music, the Dusty Springfield bulletin and is a regular contributor to Essential Elvis, the Graceland approved bi-monthly magazine publication.

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I Spy Old Refs! / Re: one from twitter
« on: Mon 01 Jan 2024 09:19 »
17th Jan 1981 (60th minute)
Manchester City (Nicky Reid) v Middlesbrough (David Hodgson)
Referee - Bert Newsome

15th Aug 1987 (4th minute)
Derby County v Luton Town (Mick Harford)
Referee - George Courtney

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I Spy Old Refs! / Re: Football League Cup Final Officials
« on: Sat 30 Dec 2023 18:48 »
2019
Referee
Jonathan Moss (West Yorks)
Assistant referee
Andy Halliday (Army)
Marc Perry (West Midlands)
Fourth official
Paul Tierney (Lancashire)
Reserve assistant referee
Constantine Hatzidakis (Kent)
Video assistant referee
Martin Atkinson (West Yorks)
Assistant VAR
Steve Child (London)

2020
Referee
Lee Mason (Lancashire)
Assistant referee
Ian Hussin (Liverpool)
Harry Lennard (Sussex)
Fourth official
David Coote (Notts)
Reserve assistant referee
Nick Hopton (Derbyshire)
Video assistant referee
Mike Dean (Cheshire)
Assistant VAR
Neil Davies (London)

2021
Referee
Paul Tierney (Lancashire)
Assistant referees
Lee Betts (Norfolk)
Constantine Hatzidakis (Kent)
Fourth official
Peter Bankes (Liverpool)
Reserve assistant referee
Dan Robathan (Norfolk)
Video assistant referee
Andre Marriner (Birmingham)
Assistant VAR
Adrian Holmes (West Riding)

2022
Referee
Stuart Attwell (Warks)
Assistant referees
Dan Cook (Manchester)
Daniel Robathan (Norfolk)
Fourth official
Andrew Madley (Huddersfield)
Reserve assistant referee
Tim Wood (Gloucestershire)
Video assistant referee
Darren England (Doncaster)
Assistant VAR
Simon Bennett (Staffs)

2023
Referee
David Coote (Notts)
Assistant referees
Nick Hopton (Derbyshire)
Tim Wood (Gloucestershire)
Fourth official
Simon Hooper (Wiltshire)
Reserve assistant referee
Nick Greenhalgh (Lancashire)
Video assistant referee
Peter Bankes (Liverpool)
Assistant VAR
Eddie Smart (Birmingham)



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General Discussion / Re: Rebecca Welch and Sam Allison
« on: Sat 16 Dec 2023 11:06 »
I gather Welch is 40 and Allison 42, no neither are “spring chickens” in refereeing terms

Welch ticked off that big birthday earlier this month and Allison is probably 43 (birth registered Q4 1980)

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20/08/1980   Stoke City   0:0    West Bromwich Albion
Keith Hackett (Sheffield)

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I Spy Old Refs! / Re: Couple of AFCB oldies for you!
« on: Wed 13 Dec 2023 17:34 »
Sat 8 Jan 1927 F.A. Cup 3rd Rd
Bournemouth 1, Liverpool 1
Att 13,409
Liverpool won the replay
the following Wed 4-1
Ref - Charlie Lines (Birmingham)

Sat 16 Feb 1929 F.A. Cup 5th Rd
Bournemouth 1, West Ham U. 1
Att 11, 301
West Ham won the replay
the following Wed 3-1
Ref - Joe Pennington (Reading)



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General Discussion / Re: Promotions 2023
« on: Sun 10 Dec 2023 18:30 »
Staff Sergeant with the Royal Engineers, probably based at Camberley

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General Discussion / Re: Promotions 2023
« on: Fri 08 Dec 2023 14:42 »
Sgt in R.E.?

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General Discussion / Re: Promotions 2023
« on: Fri 08 Dec 2023 12:14 »
D'Urso amended - birth listed as Durso
Armistice Day baby - hope he continues to keep the peace!

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