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Quote from: Joecphillips on Sat 30 Mar 2024 20:58

Quote from: Adam on Sat 30 Mar 2024 20:38

Some people here (perhaps with some red and white tinted glasses) seem to be missing some fundamental points here.

Anyone who's played football knows it is incredibly clever play by AG to position himself in such a way that allows him to win possession of the ball.

Secondly how is that not a penalty. When AG places his foot in front of the ball and KP the ball is essentially his. He gets kicked through. Therefore a stonewall penalty.

Finally, some people here think that because it's a "genuine attempt to play the ball" it's not a penalty. 95% of penalties given are for these so called "genuine attempts" so quit the rubbish please!

I considered that so I have sought opinions from others who are equally as shocked, maybe some people here have their defend referees tinted glasses on, typical reaction from other people I spoke to is shock that the video was for a penalty and not a foul against newcastle

Presumably not opinions from referees then?  I can accept people thinking it wasn't a penalty. but I can't possibly see how any referee would think this could possibly be a defensive free kick.

Qualified enough to know bs when they see it, even had newcastle fans comment on how it was never a penalty tonight at work

Quote from: Joecphillips on Sat 30 Mar 2024 17:09

Quote from: rustyref on Sat 30 Mar 2024 17:05

Quote from: Joecphillips on Sat 30 Mar 2024 16:10

Quote from: rustyref on Sat 30 Mar 2024 16:01

Its an absolutely nailed on penalty.  Gordon got in front of Phillips who took an almighty swing at his standing leg.  It was almost identical to the first penalty where Gordon got in front of Coufal, but with a lot more force in the kick.  Completely accidental by Phillips, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a foul and penalty.

So impeding a player with the ball is not a foul now? If we are saying just sticking your leg in between the player in possession and the ball is a foul then we can never penalise someone who trips from in front, like the quote I said from earlier if I stick my leg in front of you mid step and you make contact with my leg have I tripped you or have you kicked me? Your interpretation says the latter

There's no impeding here.  Gordon has every right to move his foot towards the ball, which is what he did, Phillips has then carelessly kicked him.  If Gordon had moved away from the ball to affect Phillips's ability to play then ball I would agree with you, but he didn't.

Gordon is facing away from the ball with his leg across, let's say an attacker knocks the ball past an attacker who sticks his leg out but gets it on the ground in front is that a foul on the striker for kicking the foot on the ground or the defender? Let's be consistent and penalise an attacker who is tripped by a defender with the leg in front then

I genuinely have no idea what you are talking about.  Gordon didn't trip anyone, he had his foot on the floor and then Phillips just kicked straight through it.

Ok so just ignore the ball attempt to cause contact but ensure your toe is on the floor 1 frame before the contact even while you’re still moving to play the player and then it’s a foul on your favour, if that’s in the other box it’s a West Ham penalty no debate. Great use of var

In fact villa just got given a free kick for a similar incident stepped across the player nowhere near the ball villa player running and there was contact with the villa leg in a forward motion free kick no complaints, var is useless, clear and obvious changes day to day

The amount of poor decisions given by Jeremy Simpson against Sunderland over the years ( including pulling play back to award a free kick in our favour after we had scored against Blackpool last season) we were due a bit of fortune.

We were definitely due some fortune, unfortunately it’s when our season is over anyway

Quote from: Joecphillips on Sat 30 Mar 2024 14:43

Var once again proving its not fit for purpose, the 2nd penalty if anything is a West Ham free kick challenge from behind misses the ball and causes contact.

1st one in my opinion is offside “The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/control” he has stuck out a leg after the ball has travelled less than the width of his body.

The red card is defendable until you realise the exact same offence went unpunished 2 minutes earlier.

I'm not sure I would say it is a a foul on Phillips, but it's certainly not a move from Gordon that should be awarded with a penalty in my opinion, and that applies to the first penalty as well. In neither of the incidents he had a real intention of going for the ball, he was only trying to win a penalty by sticking his leg in between the defender and the ball. Unfortunately, by the current rules and interpretation, this isn't really even being considered.

For the first penalty the offside is obviously also a discussion worth having. For me, there are considerations to support both deliberate and no deliberate play in this situation, I don't think it was clear and obvious for VAR to intervene in either case.

Like I say first one my opinion is offside can definitely agree var saying too subjective stay with the decision on the field just seen the replay so not sure what the on field decision was.

I think this is a great description of the 2nd one “What David Coote (VAR) is saying is that if he’s walking down the street and I stick my leg in the way of him, he’s kicked me. ”

I thought he had a very good game, maybe too slow to whistle once or twice but got almost everything right.

Once again though time wasting at the end was correctly added on it’s an issue across football made worse by the talk of stamping it out of the game, in the case ball goes out of play 93:15 player fakes injury play restarts 95:15 5 minutes added on whistle goes around 96:10

How can it be a penalty and a DOGSO with double jeopardy? God knows what Choudhury was doing for the first one but I’m not convinced at all with the second one.

Not attempting to play the ball

Gomes being booked for that is interesting after the doku challenge last week and what happened in the wolves game yesterday

I’d agree overall though brooks is having a very good game

I can only assume he had a great game if that’s his biggest controversy being nice to kids