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General Discussion / Re: Cup finals?
« on: Fri 19 Apr 2024 20:23 »Anyone think it will be Coote ?
4O in 2022, VAR in 2023, I'd not put anything passed the appointment peeps!
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General Discussion / Re: Cup finals?« on: Fri 19 Apr 2024 20:23 »Anyone think it will be Coote ? 4O in 2022, VAR in 2023, I'd not put anything passed the appointment peeps! 2
General Discussion / Re: Cup finals?« on: Fri 19 Apr 2024 09:12 »
Stuart Attwell or Andy Madley, imo.
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General Discussion / Re: Ivan Kruzliak : Lille vs Aston Villa« on: Thu 18 Apr 2024 23:04 »As i said in the appointments thread oh dear Kruzliak. It's a 4 story high flight of stairs these days! Bad appointments peeps! 4
General Discussion / Re: Ivan Kruzliak : Lille vs Aston Villa« on: Thu 18 Apr 2024 22:25 »
It's in the LOTG guys
Law 10.3 Penalties (penalty shoot-out) are taken after the match has ended and unless otherwise stated, the relevant Laws of the Game apply. A player who has been sent off during the match is not permitted to take part; warnings and cautions issued to players and team officials during the match are not carried forward into penalties (penalty shoot-out). 6
General Discussion / Re: Champions League« on: Thu 18 Apr 2024 20:13 »I wouldnt rule out Kovacs, but think Taylor will be high on the list with Makkelie and poss Vincic More likely a top contender for the Europa League final I'd say. I'd rather they give him the CL final in Budapest next year, assuming Hungary wins the bid for it. It's the only chance he would have to referee at the national stadium competitively & it would be just amazing seeing him there. 7
Football League - L1 & L2 / Re: Fri 19th – Tue 23rd APR 2024« on: Thu 18 Apr 2024 20:10 »Not sure whether it's intentional from the powers that be, but the last time Pompey lifted a trophy back at Wembley in 2019, Dean Whitestone was the man in charge. Fast forward to 2024 and Mr Whitestone is back at Fratton Park for Pompey's League One trophy lift at the weekend! Congrats on the title 8
General Discussion / Re: Kovacs - Barcelona v PSG« on: Tue 16 Apr 2024 23:14 »These 2 must be the worst commentary team I’ve ever heard. Can’t help themselves but say ‘he’s not in control’ or similar after every decision! By contrast the commentators on Supersport said it was a performance that did nothing but enhance his position as one of the very best referees currently and spoke very highly of him. 9
News & Announcements / Re: DUMB emoji« on: Mon 15 Apr 2024 11:35 »I've just received a warning for this but not used any emoji? You used it on the first post in this thread: https://ratetheref.createaforum.com/general-discussion-5/rebecca-welch-abuse/ 10
General Discussion / Re: D COOTE - Arsenal v Villa« on: Sun 14 Apr 2024 20:34 »
He's normally decent when he refs AFCB although always wears y****w. I don't mind getting him as ref, different story as VAR mind!
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Select Group 2 / Re: Fri 12th – Tue 16th APR 2024« on: Sun 14 Apr 2024 20:32 »Obviously (as you can tell by my username) I'm not exactly unbiased but I've taken a full 24 hours at least to try work out what has happened....can anyone actually see how Rebecca Welch has seen a handball in the Bristol Huddersfield game? As much as I'm not complaining about anything else particularly in the game, she was consistently happy to hand out cautions, and very lenient regarding time (I really don't mind that)..she gets herself in a brilliant position (after 100 mins so fair play to her) I can't help but think she's 'given it for clout'. There's a bit of chat about the game in this thread: https://ratetheref.createaforum.com/general-discussion-5/rebecca-welch-abuse/msg78256/#new 12
General Discussion / Re: Bournemouth v Man Utd - T Harrington« on: Sun 14 Apr 2024 12:20 »Woefully inconsistent. Or I suppose you could call it consistent but all in one direction. I certainly don't for a second think there was any deliberate bias & I have no questions at all regarding his integrity, I don't personally believe any of our referees to be corrupt or lacking in integrity. I wonder if perhaps general speaking is there is "more well known" element. More people have heard of Man Utd, more people have watched Man Utd than ever will AFCB. Man Utd are often on the TV, any fan of football watching games on TV will have seen them regularly and you get to know what their patterns of play are, what their strengths are, how they adapt to situations and things like that (maybe not so much under the current manager as they have been pretty inconsistent of late but...). As a referee that must have some effect, you have that picture in your mind of what you expect to see, who you expect to be the dominant team, they are the big name, the team always on TV. I think it might play a part in unconscious bias and that is a difficult thing to change & not sure how or even if you can do so. I use visualisation techniques with referees I coach, making them watch sublime calls over and over again so it's implanted somewhere in the back of their mind that this is how to deal with that scenario in the hope that if hey are ever faced with it, their mind is already telling them this is how to do it correctly. I understand how powerful that can be so it makes sense to me that effect can also be attained less consciously by watching the same teams over and again. Does that make sense? 13
General Discussion / Re: Bournemouth v Man Utd - T Harrington« on: Sun 14 Apr 2024 12:03 »
Having had the night to sleep on it & a substantial quantity of pálinka for medicinal purposes to calm the frayed nerves, I shall give my opinion now, for what it's worth!
First half I thought was ok. Few 50:50 decisions that could/should maybe have gone a different way but certainly nothing that raised the blood pressure. He also played a couple of lovely advantages. Onto individual incidents: The Christie penalty shout. There was contact but not enough for a penalty for me & I think he called that one right. What I think he did get wrong was booking for simulation - there was enough contact there for it not to be simulation. The handball against Smudge. I'm the first to criticise Smudge for stupidity, he has that element to his game. Not nasty - just stupid. However this was a terrible decision. He was in the process of turning, his arm was as close to his side as it could have been, the ball bounces up from the ground at fairly close range and hits his arm. This is the sort of scenario the PGMOL have said should not be given as a penalty. What is Smudge meant to do with his arms? He couldn't get it any closer to his body, he had no time to try and lift it out of the way, there was no movement towards the ball, he was turning, that was the movement, and he had started doing so before the ball hit the ground and bounced up and hit him. Never in a month of Sundays is that a penalty, anywhere, on any pitch or for any team. This where I have an issue in understanding clear and obvious, if a decision is incorrect how can it be anything other than clear and obvious? VAR was bought in to stop these sort of incorrect decisions - or at least that was the selling point! The overturned penalty. Laws of the Game (Law 12.3) states "If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area and continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee must award a penalty kick." The holding started outside the area, it continued onto the line and then about 2 feet into the penalty box. There is one angle in particular that shows it clearly carried on into the box. He got the call right on the pitch and was let down by VAR, imo. The penalty should have stood. It wasn't all against AFCB, as pointed out above somewhere there was a holding I think it was Milos doing the holding, that tuned into a 6 of one, half a dozen of the other, and he gave the free kick AFCB's way and I think that was a wrong call. It wasn't a game changing error though. Smudge should have been booked for booting the ball away & I seem to recall someone else also booting the ball away with no action taken. 3 big decisions and my opinion is 2/3 were wrong. Overall I think he was weak, inconsistent and indecisive. I don't think he was the correct appointment for this game. He strikes me as a referee who lacks confidence, he wasn't able to sell decisions because he looked so unsure. There were some flashes of the referee he could be capable of but yesterday can only go down as a very poor day at the office. I don't like to judge a referee's overall ability on one performance, I think that's unfair, we can all have that bad day. I should add though for context, this was the 2nd time he has refereed us, the last time being 2 years ago and in that game he also gave an incorrect game changing call against us. I'm still not prepared to write him off totally, he's inexperienced and still learning so I hope he can sit down with his coach, whoever that is, take on board the learning points and use them to grow. I don't believe any ref makes it this far without having something there to make them good enough, in this ref's case I've just not seen it first hand yet. 14
General Discussion / Re: Bournemouth v Man Utd - T Harrington« on: Sun 14 Apr 2024 00:41 »Woefully inconsistent. Or I suppose you could call it consistent but all in one direction. This. However whilst Neto’s dissent was understandable I still didn’t like to see it. We’re normally better than that. Very unusual for the anti ref songs to be sung loudly and continuously at Dean Court. Can’t remember the last time I heard them. We have one of the most placid crowds going. 15
General Discussion / Re: Bournemouth v Man Utd - T Harrington« on: Sun 14 Apr 2024 00:32 »Hopefully it will be another 2 years or preferably more before he referees us again. That will be my only comment. As I control the ban button I won’t be one of them! |