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« on: Tue 16 Apr 2024 23:14 »
These 2 must be the worst commentary team I’ve ever heard. Can’t help themselves but say ‘he’s not in control’ or similar after every decision!
By contrast the commentators on Supersport said it was a performance that did nothing but enhance his position as one of the very best referees currently and spoke very highly of him.
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« on: Sun 14 Apr 2024 20:34 »
He's normally decent when he refs AFCB although always wears y****w. I don't mind getting him as ref, different story as VAR mind!
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« on: Sun 14 Apr 2024 20:32 »
Obviously (as you can tell by my username) I'm not exactly unbiased but I've taken a full 24 hours at least to try work out what has happened....can anyone actually see how Rebecca Welch has seen a handball in the Bristol Huddersfield game? As much as I'm not complaining about anything else particularly in the game, she was consistently happy to hand out cautions, and very lenient regarding time (I really don't mind that)..she gets herself in a brilliant position (after 100 mins so fair play to her) I can't help but think she's 'given it for clout'.
I have to also share that I am very aware that male officials also make interesting decisions (West Brom last week) but after seeing her high profile appointments to the PL and Olympics, I feel the question should be asked just like it would be to any male official.
There's a bit of chat about the game in this thread: https://ratetheref.createaforum.com/general-discussion-5/rebecca-welch-abuse/msg78256/#new
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« on: Sun 14 Apr 2024 12:20 »
Woefully inconsistent. Or I suppose you could call it consistent but all in one direction.
Not a single booking for Man Utd. They committed more fouls in the game.
Christie booked for diving, Mainoo's dive ignored. Cook and Neto booked for dissent. Fernandes in his face all game, not booked.
Not even a booking for Kambwala for the foul that lead to the overturned penalty (sidenote: since his arms wrapped around Christie, was it not a holding offence that started outside the box and continued into the box and therefore should have remained a penalty?) at the end, even though that was textbook stopping a promising attack.
He was poor with the the little stuff too. E.g. Unal penalised for a light push. Two minutes later he's pushed to the ground, play on, Utd nearly score. That's what lead to Neto's understandable dissent.
As for the Man Utd penalty, it's the very definition of a big club penalty. There's no way a small club is getting that in their favour at Old Trafford.
There are Premier League referees capable of refereeing the big clubs evenly with the little ones. But some just can't compute that the game might actually be going in the other direction than the one they prepped for, that the big club might be struggling, that the big club might be committing as many indiscretions as the little one. Tony Harrington very much fell into that category.
This.
However whilst Neto’s dissent was understandable I still didn’t like to see it. We’re normally better than that.
Very unusual for the anti ref songs to be sung loudly and continuously at Dean Court. Can’t remember the last time I heard them. We have one of the most placid crowds going.
Thanks to Chippenhamcherry and bmb for the detailed review of what sounds like a poor day out for Mr. Harrington. I would be interested in exploring one point further -
There's no way a small club is getting that in their favour at Old Trafford.
There are Premier League referees capable of refereeing the big clubs evenly with the little ones. But some just can't compute that the game might actually be going in the other direction than the one they prepped for, that the big club might be struggling, that the big club might be committing as many indiscretions as the little one
Now I know on here we cannot (quite rightly) accuse referees of deliberate bias and I also know that is not what you are implying here Chippenhamcherry but I wonder what is the cause. Is it as you perhaps suggest a symptom of over preparing for a game to the point of prejudging the 'script' so to speak? So far that subconsciously the referee is expecting the game to go one way.
Or is it the case that it is not a real affect and that we simply perceive it to be the case due to confirmation bias? I believe there are statistics to show that 'bigger' teams playing at home get more favorable decisions (this is skewed though as home teams generally have more possession, more time in the penalty area). I would be interested if there are any statistics on top six clubs playing away from home.
However, and I am no statistician, but I wonder if something like penalties per minute played in penalty area would be a more accurate figure to look for than simply number of penalties awarded for example.
I certainly don't for a second think there was any deliberate bias & I have no questions at all regarding his integrity, I don't personally believe any of our referees to be corrupt or lacking in integrity. I wonder if perhaps general speaking is there is "more well known" element. More people have heard of Man Utd, more people have watched Man Utd than ever will AFCB. Man Utd are often on the TV, any fan of football watching games on TV will have seen them regularly and you get to know what their patterns of play are, what their strengths are, how they adapt to situations and things like that (maybe not so much under the current manager as they have been pretty inconsistent of late but...). As a referee that must have some effect, you have that picture in your mind of what you expect to see, who you expect to be the dominant team, they are the big name, the team always on TV. I think it might play a part in unconscious bias and that is a difficult thing to change & not sure how or even if you can do so. I use visualisation techniques with referees I coach, making them watch sublime calls over and over again so it's implanted somewhere in the back of their mind that this is how to deal with that scenario in the hope that if hey are ever faced with it, their mind is already telling them this is how to do it correctly. I understand how powerful that can be so it makes sense to me that effect can also be attained less consciously by watching the same teams over and again. Does that make sense?
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« on: Sun 14 Apr 2024 12:03 »
Having had the night to sleep on it & a substantial quantity of pálinka for medicinal purposes to calm the frayed nerves, I shall give my opinion now, for what it's worth!
First half I thought was ok. Few 50:50 decisions that could/should maybe have gone a different way but certainly nothing that raised the blood pressure. He also played a couple of lovely advantages. Onto individual incidents:
The Christie penalty shout. There was contact but not enough for a penalty for me & I think he called that one right. What I think he did get wrong was booking for simulation - there was enough contact there for it not to be simulation.
The handball against Smudge. I'm the first to criticise Smudge for stupidity, he has that element to his game. Not nasty - just stupid. However this was a terrible decision. He was in the process of turning, his arm was as close to his side as it could have been, the ball bounces up from the ground at fairly close range and hits his arm. This is the sort of scenario the PGMOL have said should not be given as a penalty. What is Smudge meant to do with his arms? He couldn't get it any closer to his body, he had no time to try and lift it out of the way, there was no movement towards the ball, he was turning, that was the movement, and he had started doing so before the ball hit the ground and bounced up and hit him. Never in a month of Sundays is that a penalty, anywhere, on any pitch or for any team. This where I have an issue in understanding clear and obvious, if a decision is incorrect how can it be anything other than clear and obvious? VAR was bought in to stop these sort of incorrect decisions - or at least that was the selling point!
The overturned penalty. Laws of the Game (Law 12.3) states "If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area and continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee must award a penalty kick." The holding started outside the area, it continued onto the line and then about 2 feet into the penalty box. There is one angle in particular that shows it clearly carried on into the box. He got the call right on the pitch and was let down by VAR, imo. The penalty should have stood.
It wasn't all against AFCB, as pointed out above somewhere there was a holding I think it was Milos doing the holding, that tuned into a 6 of one, half a dozen of the other, and he gave the free kick AFCB's way and I think that was a wrong call. It wasn't a game changing error though. Smudge should have been booked for booting the ball away & I seem to recall someone else also booting the ball away with no action taken.
3 big decisions and my opinion is 2/3 were wrong. Overall I think he was weak, inconsistent and indecisive. I don't think he was the correct appointment for this game. He strikes me as a referee who lacks confidence, he wasn't able to sell decisions because he looked so unsure. There were some flashes of the referee he could be capable of but yesterday can only go down as a very poor day at the office. I don't like to judge a referee's overall ability on one performance, I think that's unfair, we can all have that bad day. I should add though for context, this was the 2nd time he has refereed us, the last time being 2 years ago and in that game he also gave an incorrect game changing call against us. I'm still not prepared to write him off totally, he's inexperienced and still learning so I hope he can sit down with his coach, whoever that is, take on board the learning points and use them to grow. I don't believe any ref makes it this far without having something there to make them good enough, in this ref's case I've just not seen it first hand yet.
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« on: Sun 14 Apr 2024 00:41 »
Woefully inconsistent. Or I suppose you could call it consistent but all in one direction.
Not a single booking for Man Utd. They committed more fouls in the game.
Christie booked for diving, Mainoo's dive ignored. Cook and Neto booked for dissent. Fernandes in his face all game, not booked.
Not even a booking for Kambwala for the foul that lead to the overturned penalty (sidenote: since his arms wrapped around Christie, was it not a holding offence that started outside the box and continued into the box and therefore should have remained a penalty?) at the end, even though that was textbook stopping a promising attack.
He was poor with the the little stuff too. E.g. Unal penalised for a light push. Two minutes later he's pushed to the ground, play on, Utd nearly score. That's what lead to Neto's understandable dissent.
As for the Man Utd penalty, it's the very definition of a big club penalty. There's no way a small club is getting that in their favour at Old Trafford.
There are Premier League referees capable of refereeing the big clubs evenly with the little ones. But some just can't compute that the game might actually be going in the other direction than the one they prepped for, that the big club might be struggling, that the big club might be committing as many indiscretions as the little one. Tony Harrington very much fell into that category.
This. However whilst Neto’s dissent was understandable I still didn’t like to see it. We’re normally better than that. Very unusual for the anti ref songs to be sung loudly and continuously at Dean Court. Can’t remember the last time I heard them. We have one of the most placid crowds going.
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« on: Sun 14 Apr 2024 00:32 »
Hopefully it will be another 2 years or preferably more before he referees us again. That will be my only comment.
Some people are quite close to being banned, mentioning no names.
As I control the ban button I won’t be one of them!
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« on: Sat 13 Apr 2024 20:13 »
I see a number of esteemed posters who also happen to support Bournemouth seem most unhappy with Mr. Harrington's general performance, I hope they will make more detailed posts on where they felt he had a poor game as we always benefit from their views.
Not the right time for me to comment, I need to go away, calm down and remove the rose tints. I very rarely criticise a referee, as everyone knows. A positive - he wore blue!
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« on: Sat 13 Apr 2024 19:39 »
Hopefully it will be another 2 years or preferably more before he referees us again. That will be my only comment.
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« on: Sat 13 Apr 2024 18:30 »
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« on: Sat 13 Apr 2024 13:27 »
Surely the point here should be who sends letters these days?
I send Mr bmb the occasional love letter! I assume a note left on the fridge door with a list of DIY projects, or a shopping list counts as a love letter!
Emails and texts are two of the greatest inventions in my lifetime. It's a swift and efficient way of communicating. I send and receive plenty. However I do also write letters, in a certain context, because they have more of a permanence to them. When I was going through my late mother's effects, I came across some affectionate letters written by my father when they were courting. It gave me a great insight into their relationship which was certainly a case of opposites attracting. Also when I went up to university, my father wrote to me a few times and these letters remain very precious as he died during my second term in the first year. So, don't let's consign all epistolary communication to history.
I do still have about half a dozen friends/extended family who I send a letter to every year at Christmas, inside their card. Mostly based in Jamaica. They do the same back and I love getting them and having a read about all the best bits to have happened in the last year. Getting fewer and further between now though as the older family members pass on and the younger ones don't carry on the tradition. I am guilty myself of sending digital cards to the majority & normally at the last minute because I have forgotten again. As a kid I always had penpals in various countries but I think even that is done via email these days. Love the ease, speed and efficiency of text/email but it always brings a smile to my face when a proper letter (not of the bill type obviously!) lands on the doormat. My brother in law is ex army and every time he had a deployment I'd be off down the post office to stock up on blueys and I would write to him every day without fail, he still has every single one of them in a box in the loft, bundled by deployment. 20+ years worth!
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« on: Fri 12 Apr 2024 21:47 »
Surely the point here should be who sends letters these days?
I send Mr bmb the occasional love letter! I assume a note left on the fridge door with a list of DIY projects, or a shopping list counts as a love letter!
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« on: Fri 12 Apr 2024 21:44 »
Welcome 🙏
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« on: Fri 12 Apr 2024 18:13 »
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