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There's also an argument to say that it is now safer for referees to be central as if the ball hits them it is a dropped ball.  In the past having the ball hit the referee could be a disaster, but now it doesn't really matter.
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It is only a dropped ball where possession changes or a team starts a promising attack. In reality what we see is all events being a dropped ball but that doesn't make it right.

Guidance on positioning is changing, no longer strictly diagonal control paths. It is generally now operating within the width of the penalty area. If you watch the top level referees now they squeeze right over on top of their assistants especially when wingers are cutting in to be credible for in/out penalty decisions and decisions making, contributing seems to be taken more away from assistants and put back onto the referee. Heard lots of less is more being bandied about when assistant referees are intervening.

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I agree with the majority of posters. Thought it was a first rate performance, clearly a future star and probably already regarded as equal to or above Turpin.

I would be interested to know the criteria Rosetti used to keep the French referees but send Taylor and Oliver home. It must be fine margins, I thought they were all extremely good but clearly Letexier has something about his officiating which puts him ahead. I'm not au fait enough to know what it is though.
Was Taylor sent home?
We know for certain that Oliver was because one of his team posted on social media, but I never saw anything official confirming who was retained and who was released.

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Euros 2024 / Re: Felix Zwayer England Netherlands
« on: Fri 12 Jul 2024 14:51 »
The fact that only reckless challenges are given as fouls after a shot are exactly why I think this will be supported and why VAR got involved.

UEFA has a very clear message that studs into the top of opponents boot is reckless and should be cautioned. We've seen that all through the tournament, with lesser impact to opponent as well, so not sure why this one is so different, myself.

Also don't subscribe to the it's split the room so no VAR intervention. There are very very very few where a whole room agree on an outcome, so by that logic we might as well do away with VAR, especially for the subjective.

'Studs into the top of opponents boot is reckless' - whilst that's true, a 'glancing touch' where studs slide off a boot isn't a caution, and we've seen officials make very obvious signals to demonstrate it in the Euros.  Dumfries' studs barely make any contact, and it's very much a glancing blow.

At UEFA level and SG1 level, most decisions are close to unanimous.  There are many decisions where elite officials are agreed on what the correct decision is, but still agreed that if the 'wrong' decision is made, it's not one for VAR involvement.  This one is very close, if not directly in the middle of that.

That involvement (or non-involvement) is what Howard Webb had discussed in some detail this season.  UEFA - certainly at the moment - are very much hands off.  This is certainly an outlier in the competition by that standard.

Think we just see this differently. And that's fine because thats football. Another poster has better articulated my point, so at least I am not alone. This was more than a glancing blow. Kane should be able to kick the ball without fear of studs (that weren't there) to suddenly be there. The ball could have easily been blocked without the severity of the contact or any contact. The foot could have been positioned differently. It's like when players go up with the arms and complain how are they meant to jump without their arms, and the answer is to change the angle so their arms aren't directly striking their opponent in the face. Players are responsible for the consequences of their actions and  body movements. "I was trying to block" is not an excuse. You may have been trying, but you failed and you've nailed you're opponent in the foot in the process.
 
Obviously everyone agreed in the VOR, and the referee agreed at the screen and a good percentage of people agree as well.

Again, it is a problem, and sort of backs up my point, that those in the VOR room have no idea what everyone thinks. They take the images, apply their knowledge of law, and the considerations, and arrive at a decision to intervene or not.

It would be really good for UEFA to come out and explain this one, whether right or wrong, and provide their reasoning. Assuming we have heard the last of Rosetti and he wont be holding any conferences or answering any questions.

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Euros 2024 / Re: Felix Zwayer England Netherlands
« on: Fri 12 Jul 2024 10:21 »
The fact that only reckless challenges are given as fouls after a shot are exactly why I think this will be supported and why VAR got involved.

UEFA has a very clear message that studs into the top of opponents boot is reckless and should be cautioned. We've seen that all through the tournament, with lesser impact to opponent as well, so not sure why this one is so different, myself.

Also don't subscribe to the it's split the room so no VAR intervention. There are very very very few where a whole room agree on an outcome, so by that logic we might as well do away with VAR, especially for the subjective.


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Euros 2024 / Re: Felix Zwayer England Netherlands
« on: Thu 11 Jul 2024 14:06 »
I don't think it's a handball offence. It's not deliberate. And the hand or arm is not making the body unnaturally bigger and if it is it's justifiable for the body movement in that situation.

Had it then dropped to Saka, then it would be an offence but as it fell to Kane, and isn't an offence (imo), then it's not relevant to the outcome.

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Euros 2024 / Re: Felix Zwayer England Netherlands
« on: Thu 11 Jul 2024 13:44 »
This is a penalty all day for me. I believe UEFA will support penalty and VAR intervention as, seemingly, UEFA has a strict interpretation on these types of challenges, where the studs make contact with the top of the opponents boot, being viewed as reckless.

For me this is not a blocking action, it's a failed challenge for the ball. It is late, high, and contacts the opponent on the top of the foot. The offender moves into the attackers space and hi is action is dangerous to the opponent  (read acts with disregard or consequence to the opponent).

I'm pretty certain if roles were reversed and Kane did that to Dumfries as he was attempting to clear we would all readily accept a foul and a FK so I struggle to understand why the same is not true in reverse. The fact the shot was taken does not mitigate the foul, of anything it strengthens the case for one as the offender was late.


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Euros 2024 / Re: Semi and Final Predictions
« on: Mon 08 Jul 2024 16:04 »
I don't see Orsato getting the final. Whilst avoiding real controversy I dont think the team performed at a high enough level. There were some pretty bad errors for this level of the game, (missed the clearest handball of the tournament, and AR throw in with ball clearly not out of play) and then outside of the direct team of 3 the issue over the substitutions.

I think Marciniak gets it. He has delivered a WC final with much aplomb and compliments so he is, as far as you can be, a risk free appointment.

The other candidate I think is Taylor of England don't make it. He has delivered several correct KMDs (whether you agree or not he has been backed on those decisions) and so based on performance and meritocracy he has to be the next name on the list.

The way the Holland offside call was dealt with theon field process was first class from Nunn and Taylor.

Let's see what happens later in the week

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Euros 2024 / Re: Orsato - Portugal v Slovenia
« on: Tue 02 Jul 2024 10:49 »
There are already rules to prevent these offences, they just need to be enforced.

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The main issue I see with this is players refusing to be assessed when they are in need of it.

But agree with feigning of injuries being a scourge on the game.

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Euros 2024 / Re: A TAYLOR - Netherlands v France
« on: Mon 24 Jun 2024 15:13 »
No he didn't. Taylor and Nunn had a conversation on the field and they arrived at an offside decision. The decision Attwell then had to make was that decision clearly and obviously wrong and he decided it wasn't, and I would agree with it too


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Euros 2024 / Re: A TAYLOR - Netherlands v France
« on: Mon 24 Jun 2024 15:10 »
There wasn't an OFR because there wasn't a clear an obvious error to review.
The on field decision was offside and the monitor is only used where the VAR is recommending the decision to change, not as a secondary, confirmatory look.

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General Discussion / Re: UNICEF CHARITY GAME
« on: Tue 11 Jun 2024 07:44 »
Understand for charity, but I simply would not go near this game with a ten foot barge pole as a referee.

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General Discussion / Re: Slavko Vincic-champions league final
« on: Sun 02 Jun 2024 18:19 »
I would guess the Borussia Dortmund defender was booked for asking for a card as Vinicius Jr would have been sent off. And it would have been right, clear simulation with the holding the foot feigning injury. Big occasion, keep 11 on the field, came to his rescue, lucky boy.
Anyway, Just because the offender is right, or has a point, does not excuse the offence. Asking for a caution has been sanctioned for a long time now so pure idiocy from the defenders point of view.
Vinicius Jr. First yellow was a very clear yellow. Lunging, late, and in a reckless manner. Just because there "was no contact" does not negate the recklessness in the challenge. Again the GK antics feigning injury was embarrassing and not required.
Thought overall the referee was good. So great to see dissent being dealt with appropriately on the biggest stage of all. Imagine everyone dealt with dissent like this, it would be eradicated in half a season, except for the most brain dead of players.

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General Discussion / Re: Promotions 2024
« on: Wed 29 May 2024 12:12 »
The Guernsey and isle of man are 4i which means they will only receive assistant referee appointments on their respective islands. There will be no "overseas" games for them.

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General Discussion / Re: A MADLEY - THE FA CUP FINAL
« on: Sun 26 May 2024 14:53 »
Nothing about release point in the law. Only that the ball be thrown from behind and over the head.
I wrote to ifab on this issue and their response was:

"Thank you very much for your e mail and question – there is no expected ‘release point’ for  a throw-in."

 

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