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General Discussion / Re: P TIERNEY - Forest v Liverpool
« on: Wed 27 Mar 2024 14:56 »
I have question re this type of incident, would the conversation somehow have been recorded through the comms system.

If so, that would make reporting and evidencing more factual, rather than what can be a he said, she said, sort of situation.

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For the umpteenth time, Altrincham and Manchester are two completely separate places.

Not to us 'cockneys/people from daan saaf' maybe? It is described as a town in Trafford, Greater Manchester, so whilst I totally accept your point, I can see why people continue to make these associations.

Ah yes, those ignorant southerners who think “the north” is just one place…..

I live near to Rochdale, Greater Manchester. I don’t live in Manchester. It’s no different to living in Altrincham.

Anyway, Greater Manchester was invented by politicians and councillors. I actually live in Lancashire, while Anthony resides in Cheshire.

That seems fairly straight forward compared to having to explain to people you are from Walsall, which is not part of either Wolverhampton nor Birmingham but is in the West Midlands and also the Black Country!!

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General Discussion / Phil Dowd
« on: Wed 27 Mar 2024 11:36 »
I came across this piece with Phil talking about his Parkinsons diagnosis and thought I'd share.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-phil-dowd-parkinsons-32450414#google_vignette

Apologies if it is in the wrong place so feel free to move it to somewhere more appropriate.

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Excellent performance from Brooks, pity the kid that scored the winner took his shirt off celebrating whilst already on a yellow card.
Think Brooks must be in with a good chance of the final unless they go Attwell or dare i say it Coote.

He shouldn't have got the first YC as Liverpool were trying to take the freekick from the wrong position.

I can sort of see where Bruntyboy is coming from here in that Diallo was pointing to where the free kick should have been taken from, gets cautioned and then the referee makes Liverpool move the ball back a few yards to the exact spot Diallo was pointing at.

I don't really think at that moment there was any other option than to caution Diallo but he was only standing on/near the ball/preventing the kick from being taken as it was placed in the wrong spot. Had it been correctly placed then Liverpool could have just taken it quickly.

On a slightly related note, and I knows rules are rules and all that and obviously the referees job is to administer those rules/laws whatever they/we/football generally thinks of them, but how frustrating it must be for all concerned where a player can be sent off for in this case basically standing on/near the ball at a free kick and then taking his shirt off in celebration, in both cases literally doing no harm to anyone, when most weeks there are dangerous tackles flying in that could cause serious injury, where the debate in law is that should it be only be a yellow or red.

Somehow, somewhere I feel football and its lawmakers have lost their way for us to arrive at the laws we have today, but here we are!

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I’d mostly agree with that about David Rock.

The point about McGeehan “waving the card” is interesting as I hadnt spotted that and I don’t know if that was before or after he actually did get booked?

David did play one excellent advantage which resulted in a chance for Walsall near the end however didn't go back to caution for the original foul and I thought the YC for Walsall’s 36 was very harsh and he was more the victim of a referee trying to retain a grip on the game and the totting up of quick minor fouls in succession by both teams as if you are giving YCs for that individual foul, there would be 15 YCs in every game.

Overall though, I’d say David played his part in an entertaining game.

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Football League - L1 & L2 / Re: Sat 9th – Thu 14th MAR 2024
« on: Wed 13 Mar 2024 14:35 »
Martin Woods - Walsall v Barrow, a decent-ish performance.

A penalty awarded to Barrow for a trip, looked correct from my view, even if it was at the other end. There was a long pause before whistling for it which I assume was waiting for confirmation from AR1 over comms as there was no flag.

3 YCs awarded , all correct. Was possibly lenient to Walsall's #18 who having been earlier booked (for a retaliatory late tackle on a player who had fouled him so late, a minute or so previously, that was so late no officials spotted it) was then spared a second yellow for late-ish shoulder on a defender as he had cleared the ball. Not that dangerous but you have seen YCs for a lot less and Martin appeared to go for the 'man management route' more typical of the PL than the EFL I find, rather than issue a second YC to which nobody would have really complained or been surprised at.

One odd incident, deep in injury time a Walsall shot clearly deflected wide and after initially signalling for a goal kick and running backward 10 yards or so appeared to give in to the protests from players and crowd and award a corner. AR2 was on opposite side so not sure he would have had much input? Came to the right decision if maybe the wrong way to award it, and luckily (for Martin and for Barrow) nothing ultimately came from the corner or I imagine it would  have been quite controversial.

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General Discussion / Re: M Oliver - Liverpool Man City
« on: Sun 10 Mar 2024 22:10 »
I can sort of understand the Doku challenge  not being give on field because it did look like Doku got some of the ball and honestly, how many of us saw a foul until they showed replays?

After seeing those replays as VAR does, I find it hard to understand why VAR has not sent Oliver to the monitor, especially when you have seen YCs upgraded to reds where fouls have already been given for similar instances of tackles following through after getting varying pieces of the ball on the way.

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Football League - L1 & L2 / Re: Sat 9th – Thu 14th MAR 2024
« on: Sun 10 Mar 2024 21:46 »
Thomas Kirk - Forest Green v Walsall….a mixed performance would be the politest way to describe this one, and before anyone throws an accusation of sour grapes at me, it’s not, Walsall were equally as poor as team ref on the day.

Of the major incidents, of which there was a few, he appeared to get a penalty to Walsall correct, a red card for 2 yellows for a Walsall defender right alongside hough the first was debatable (more of that later) the second yellow you couldn’t even give any benefit of the doubt to. The big error IMO was the penalty awarded to Forest Green. Goalkeeper comes sliding out to meet onrushing attacker, clearly gets there first and cleanly pushes the ball out to the side and to almost everyone’s amazement he points to the spot. An unbelievable decision which even Forest Green didn’t seem to appeal for. He really should have been helped out by AR1 but probably wasn’t judging by the speed he gave it.

Was inconsistent with foul detection, missed a clear late challenge early on not even giving a free kick, which resulted in a Walsall player having to off injured. After rightly booking a Walsall forward for a leading with the arm aerial challenge, didn't caution an identical one less than 5 mins later.

Went for the easy option of cautioning a player from each side after one tetchy situation where i think he gave what he guessed had happened, rather than what had actually happened and better/more in control/ experienced/ referee might have managed them and that situation better. That the Walsall one was the first of his 2 yellows made that one look even harsher later.

On the whole, judging by recent appointments and on this game, he fits the profile of a young, card happy referee who will be promoted earlier to SG2 than his current ability warrants, although on the plus side for a few on here is that we are unlikely to see him in the depths of L2 again that often…so every cloud and all that.

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General Discussion / Re: Sunny Singh Gill
« on: Wed 06 Mar 2024 08:08 »
I have no view on Mr Gill as I have not seen him ref. With the age profile of SG1 only Graham Scott seems close to retirement and Barrott has in effect replaced him. Six others (including Gill) have had trial games, so unless other established refs go or the pool expanded, there are bound to be some disappointments. How these are managed is paramount to ensure confidence is not knocked. The promotion of Bond in particular appears odd from last year, given the profusion of promotions this year. I am clearly missing something.

Given that every Premier League match requires three referees (on-field, 4thers and VAR) and three ARs (2 x on-field and an AVAR) an expansion of the panel is not such a bad idea.  It might prevent burn-out and will reduce the instances of referees high-tailing it from a game on Saturday to another on Sunday.  We would not ask a player to do that, neither should a match official.

Agree we wouldn't ask a player to play or a referee to be on-field on 2 consecutive days, however I see no problem with say an on field referee on a Saturday game in London or the South, then being a VAR on a Sunday , or vice versa. I don't think that is excessive at all to ask of full time working employees.

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Football League - L1 & L2 / Re: Sat 2nd – Tue 5th MAR 2024
« on: Sun 03 Mar 2024 20:05 »
A typically steady performance from Sam Purkiss at Walsall v Doncaster yesterday.

General control and foul detection good and consistent. Nothing remotely like a KMI to report. Was 5 YCs, all to Doncaster, one for a foul seemed fair, one for dissent and then the last 3 were all for fouls after 85 mins as it got a bit niggly as Doncaster players had a few fairly crude hacks with Walsall trying to run the clock down with a succession of throw ins and corners.

Small frustration with Sam (partly in relation to the wrestling pen/no pen at Crewe mentioned above) was that on almost every corner/free kick  he had words with players around pushing, shoving, holding, yet on occasions it did continue when ball came in, nothing was ever given, either way.

A small mention for AR2, listed as Jacob Graham, who looked very very young (maybe more of a sign I’m getting old?!) and wondered if anyone knew how old he actually is? Appeared to have a good game with numerous offside calls including a disallowed Walsall goal but there didn’t seem any complaints at any of the decisions from the crowd who in line with him.

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Farai Hallam had a good game at Walsall v Accrington last night.

Fitness was good (noticably tall and very slim, if that counts for anything!), foul detection was very good and consistent, if maybe not quite so consistent with issuing of YCs. Two given for Accrington were for 'tactical' rather than nasty fouls and the two for Walsall in injury time for blocking a throw in and the old pretending you've not heard the whistle a couple of seconds ago and 'passing' the ball 40 yards away, all 4 YCs issued nailed on. Having earlier cautioned for those tactical fouls stopping promising situations, he could have issued 2 more for very similar types of challenges in the last 10 minutes (1 for each side) plus the Accrington keeper holding on to the ball for a good 5 seconds or so after Walsall's first goal was also probably worthy of a YC.   

Of the major KMIs, he gave a penalty to Accrington. Deep cross, attacker jumps to head ball back across goal, hits defender's arm a yard or so away, above shoulder height in a totally unnatural position. One of those that in years gone by may well not have been give as unintentional but that's the risk if you jump like that now, so was definitely a pen for me.

Another ball over/not over the line debate, you get none for years and then 2 in the space of 3 home games! This time AR1 would have had a perfect, unobstructed view and was bang on the goal line to judge, with the ball being his side of the goal. Didn't give the goal although it does look over the line from the photo attached, noting the position of the ball in relation to the back leg being a fair bit behind the front knee which is on the goal line, albeit obviously not from the angle AR1 would have had and that you can never really be 100% sure from still photos.

Overall, I'd say a good performance that was probably just shy of very good. Will be interesting to see how he follows that up with his next game at the weekend.

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General Discussion / Re: Chris kavanagh -Carabao cup final
« on: Tue 27 Feb 2024 14:33 »
Yes Stig & Whistleblower. However,

By not shaking his hand it's perfectly fine, if he doesn't think the job the man in black was good enough, which is perfectly fine. If you get rubbish service in a restaurant, you don't leave a tip do you.


True, but if you do use that restaurant frequently, as frequently as the top referees will have Liverpool matches, then you approach people in the right way, in a constructive manner to resolve any issues you may have had during that visit.

I don't think anyone has said Chris Kavanagh had a "great" , opinions seems to range from very poor to good, each to their own and all that.

You do realise that you can get a yellow card for things other than something that would make you a "dirty" player/team. Are you seriously suggesting that say, 4 YCs for timewasting would make a team "dirtier" than a team who has 3 YCs for really bad tackles. Come on!


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General Discussion / Re: Chris kavanagh -Carabao cup final
« on: Mon 26 Feb 2024 22:47 »
Anyone else notice that Klopp failed to shake Chris Kavanagh’s hand at the end but did shake the AR’s hands either side? Very petty.

Klopp’s patronising, sarcastic, smile every single time a decision or VAR referral goes against him, however correct the decision is, is really beginning to grate too.

That's not accurate. He shook hands with the AR1 first, then Kavanagh and then AR2.

Did he?

https://x.com/thekopwatch/status/1762021896214728768?s=46&t=VBG2B1KUDbvu2tDc8GxDyg

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Football League - L1 & L2 / Re: Sat 2nd – Tue 5th MAR 2024
« on: Mon 26 Feb 2024 22:35 »
Walsall also had Farai Hallam in the last day dead rubber, at home to Doncaster last season.

Maybe Walsall are seen as the Fulham of League 2 😀

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General Discussion / Re: Chris kavanagh -Carabao cup final
« on: Sun 25 Feb 2024 23:07 »
Anyone else notice that Klopp failed to shake Chris Kavanagh’s hand at the end but did shake the AR’s hands either side? Very petty.

Klopp’s patronising, sarcastic, smile every single time a decision or VAR referral goes against him, however correct the decision is, is really beginning to grate too.

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