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Messages - Ashington46

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General Discussion / Re: P TIERNEY - Forest v Liverpool
« on: Thu 28 Mar 2024 14:17 »
Deduct point for this and for that.  Why not add points for perfect behaviour.  Points are about success or failure on the field of play during the 90 minutes. 
Then again, I cannot think of any other significant sanction other than suspensions.   Perhaps the fines for infringement by Premier League participants should be in the £0,000,000s rather than the £0,000s

Can I ask if, using your reasoning about points, they should also not be deducted for ignoring or manipulating the financial regulations which clubs are supposed to adhere to?
The lack of respect for our officials may not improve even if points are deducted for behaviour, however, it has been proved beyond doubt that, at the top levels of the game, fines and suspensions do not have any effect at all, particularly as far as quite a number of managers and club officials are concerned.
IN my opinion, it could be given a try because all clubs will know that it will apply to them if they step out of line. The biggets problem then will be to decide who is going to arbitrate over the whole scheme in order to show fairness.

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General Discussion / Re: Sam Allison AFCB v Luton
« on: Thu 14 Mar 2024 10:45 »
I watched the whole game and thought that the officials were excellent and contributed to a really good spectacle, particularly for the neutral spectator. Certainly no complaints from me.

As far as time wasting by keepers is concerned, I regret to say that the changes made by IFAB as far as taking goal kicks are concerned does not help the game at all. Keepers can use any part of the area, defenders are standing close by to receive that ball and then they all decide that they will go long and this takes further time. LIkewise with the keeper falling to the ground to waste more time which is very much a modern thing and totally unnecessary.

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General Discussion / Re: M Oliver - Liverpool Man City
« on: Sun 10 Mar 2024 18:27 »
Mike Dean originally said penalty at first in commentary then they got another angle and it looked like Doku got the ball before the main and he said no penalty on the 2nd replay

Well he's wrong.

In your opinion.  Doku definitely played the ball and then followed through.  I'm 50/50 on it, there is contact on Mac Allister's chest but not really with any force.  I don't think this could be deemed a clear and obvious error, and certainly not with the very hih bar currently in place.

I watch all football on the TV with the sound muted and I really couldn't see what they were looking at as far as the Doku incident was concerned. He played the ball and his foot slightly caught MacAllister on the chest which, in my experience of playing the  game, was something which happens.
Sadly, they seem to want to take any contact out of the game.

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He totally missed a second yellow card for Adam Wharton at 0-0. Got the Brownhill red card correct and the penalty however but that second yellow card would have evened up the number of players and 9 times out of 10 it’s a yellow.  Not that it would have an difference to the end result as we are woeful

Spot on, particularly with the second yellow for Wharton when he slid in and took out two Burnley players with the same tackle, mind you, he did then put his hand up  to apologise and this seems to work in a player's favour ---somtimes.

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General Discussion / Re: Sunderland v Swansea - keith stroud
« on: Sat 24 Feb 2024 17:10 »
Horrible time keeping, he wasted more than what he added on trying to write down players names, also loved him hurrying a keeper up only for the keeper to then pick the ball up and run to the other side of the box to place the ball for the goal kick

Keeper is completely within the Laws of the Game in doing what he did, yet another of the stupid things which IFAB deignated would speed the game up.

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Burnley have had

Barrott 4 times
Josh Smith once
Welch once
Lewis Smith once

 
Is this really fair?
Would you prefer appointments to be made by a random draw to make it fairer?  With the greatest of respect to Burnley, games involving teams near the bottom of the table in the first half of the season are unlikely to register as potentially troublesome in the eyes of the appointments people so you can hardly expect to have a non-stop conveyor of FIFA referees in charge.  Were these seven games refereed worse than all their others?

I think the point being made is Burnley will have had 7 games refereed by personel who are not on the sg1 list at the moment, surely trial games should be shared around. Perhaps this is distorted a bit by Sam Barrott doing more games than a simgle trialist game or two, i guess he is on what was a supplementary list.

The most interesting thing to me is that, on one of the Burnley social media boards, they have fans marking the referee every game and  the top three in the table are Josh Smith, Rebecca Welch and Sam Barrott and John Brookes is in fourth position although he has not officiated this season  Burnley have lost 5 of the 8 matches refereed by thes four officials.

Having siad that, I do cringe when I see some of the markings dished out by many fans.

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General Discussion / Re: S BARROTT - Millwall v Ipswich
« on: Wed 14 Feb 2024 22:13 »
Another solid performance from Barrott. The penalty looked as if it was on the line therefore the award is correct.

Did what he had to do without fuss and looked comfortable all game.

Totally agree, it was a very good performance and how refreshing it was to see the players accepting decisions without surrounding him all the time. On the odd occasion that there was a query he dealt with it an talked to the player involved who then just got on with the game.
A good advert for the game after some of the dross seen at the higher level this season.

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General Discussion / Re: Female Assistants
« on: Tue 23 Jan 2024 17:25 »
What happened to Amy fearn? She was around the non league scene for ages saw her a few times and thought she was one of the best at that level

Still about officiating in women's matches.  Seen her ref a few times over the years in the WSL/Women's Championship, and was fourth official at the West Ham vs Spurs WSL match on Sunday evening that I was at.

She received an MBE in the Honours List last June.

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Salisbury was on VAR for the Palace v Everton Cup Tie and was instrumental in Calvert Lewins erroneous dismissal When yesterday's Brewster tackle occurred he gave a yellow card before VAR got involved
The last minute non penalty was up to his standards Before hitting Bowen's arm it struck the offending Blade on the arm

Let's be honest about the last minute non-penalty though ebcause if it did hit the offending Blade on the arm it couldn't be called handball because his arms were in a natural position for anyone making a rugby tackle.

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Not reviewable by VAR.

That's a shame. An act of cheating leading to a goal has to be ignored?! Maybe it's time the protocols were extended.
While I agree in principle, the problem would be that it would lead to longer delays after every goal while they have to go back to check that the restart was 100% correct. For example: forensic examination of whether part of the ball was overhanging the corner arc when the corner was taken; was the ball moving by the tiniest amount when the free kick was taken; should the free kick have been two inches to the left and consequently did that make a difference to whether the goal would have been scored; was the thrower's foot touching the ground at the point of delivery or was it a millimetre off?

A slippery slope, I fear.

All your points above are dealt with every week by officials outside of the elite matches and are accepted or argued about by players, managers etc. but they just get on with the game without any forensic examination or outside interference from anyone.
Players move the ball for set pieces, hardly ever retreat 10 yards for free kicks, take throw ins from anywhere within twenty yards of where the ball went out and then often lift their trailing foot, frequently place the ball outside the corner quadrant if they are on the opposite side to the AR.

It appears to me that there is a culture throughout the game to try to get away with anything and everything. Yes, we used to try the odd thing when I was playing and I knew most of  the tricks when I officiated, however, it really does seem to be taking over and VAR is not stopping anything at all.


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General Discussion / Re: D BOND - Blackpool v Forest (FA)
« on: Wed 17 Jan 2024 22:09 »
This has been a smashing game to watch --now half time in extra time, whatever the result, we have had two teams going for a win and Darren bond has bee nvery much a part of making it a smashing contect.
I thought that Blackpool had shot themselves in the foot when they conceded a second goal riight after half time, however, they have shown grit and a great fighting spirit to come back and force the game into extra time.
Football as it should be played with no outside interference and it has made it so much more enjoyable.
Well done to all three teams.

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WHy did Darren England give a foul throw when Ward-Prowse lifted his back foot?
Surely this no longer applies because it is never penalised week in or week out by any official, therefore, I thought that it was another IFAB Law change which I had missed, there have been so many.

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General Discussion / Re: Chelsea v Fulham: Anthony Taylor
« on: Sat 13 Jan 2024 23:17 »
Maybe a crisis of confidence for Michael Salisbury after his incorrect intervention against Calvert-Lewin last week. This one is right on the edge for me, and Gusto could have few complaints if that had been upgraded to red.

Wasn't that Craig Pawson?

I was going off the BBC report of the incident which states it was Salisbury. Even if he was support VAR he should share the blame !
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67922687.amp


I got it the wrong way round! Salisbury was VAR & Pawson SVAR

Third Round Proper

Thu 4th Jan 2024
Crystal Palace FC (First Team) v Everton FC (First Team)        Live on ITV4
FA Cup
Referee: Kavanagh, Christopher
Assistant Referee: Bennett, Simon
Assistant Referee: Leach, Daniel
Fourth Official: Robinson, Tim
Video Assistant Referee: Salisbury, Michael
Video Assistant Referee: Pawson, Craig
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Aspinall, Natalie

I eagerly await the day when they have a third Video Assistant Referee and another Additional Video Assistant Referee.
Surely they would get everything correct then --wouldn't they? I won't hold my breath!

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General Discussion / Re: A TAYLOR - Wigan v Man U
« on: Tue 09 Jan 2024 15:25 »
Lots of recent events at the elite level plus attending quite a number of Academy games as a spectator has me questioning as to just how long it will remain a contact sport as I have known it for over seventy years.
Sadly, I think that it will not be too long before any contact is penalised one way or another and the officials will be the butt of criticism, possibly more than they are are now.


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General Discussion / Re: A TAYLOR - Wigan v Man U
« on: Mon 08 Jan 2024 22:19 »
The only world that’s a penalty kick is in Anthony Taylor’s robotic application of the laws of association football and if you happen to support Manchester United.everyone else knows exactly what Fernandes did .

The modern game at its best!

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