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General Discussion / Re: Thomas Bramall - Millwall vs Sunderland
« on: Sat 04 Feb 2023 22:15 »
I didn't watch the game but the ruled out goal is an excellent decision/teamwork (sorry Harry Willis) - why is the Millwall player standing there, what is his only intention? To obstruct the goalkeeper's view. Correct decision, well done to Bramall/AR there, great alertness (especially on ref's part).

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General Discussion / Re: D Coote- Everton vs Arsenal
« on: Sat 04 Feb 2023 14:28 »
Well played David Coote! Maupay-Arsenal penalty appeal was a tricky incident which might have had another outcome but overall he was really really solid today in a tough context, regards!

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General Discussion / Re: S ATTWELL - Chelsea v Fulham
« on: Fri 03 Feb 2023 21:48 »
Not watching the game tonight but here is Webb's pre-match segment for those who missed it:

https://litter.catbox.moe/tm71y8.mp4

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General Discussion / Re: David Coote- Brighton vs Liverpool
« on: Sun 29 Jan 2023 15:22 »
Deeply mediocre referees like Coote created by PGMOL are not bugs in the system, they are the product and natural consequence of it!!

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General Discussion / Re: Manchester City v Tottenham Hotspur Simon Hooper
« on: Sun 22 Jan 2023 09:54 »
Quote from: jacksamuel21 on Fri 20 Jan 2023 12:33
Didn’t see the game but looks like VAR should have intervened to give a penalty to Man City for a handball by Richarlison.

Is the bar too high now?

It certainly seems like Darren England doesn’t like to intervene in big games. Quite a few times now he should have intervened and hasn’t in big matches.

https://dubz.co/v/01vqcf

Funny situation - in probably every other country in the world, a clear penalty (enlarged body surface to knowingly block a shot, but with an intervention here, I'm sure that it would be a big 'scandal', the player had his back turned and couldn't even see the ball!!, referees don't understand the game!, get former players in the VOR!! etc. Verrryyy, verryyy different here - English exceptionalism! :)

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General Discussion / Re: Crystal Palace v Manchester United Robert Jones
« on: Thu 19 Jan 2023 14:59 »
Quote from: Readingfan on Thu 19 Jan 2023 13:18
I think Swarbrick has had three VAR appointments since New Year so presumably is now considered a regular VAR again, much like Dean and Mason.

It seems Webb wants the threshold for VAR intervention set reasonably high but the challenge was always going to come when more errors started being made on-field, so we'll have to monitor how well VAR does with intervening where necessary going forwards when these occur.

Does it? In my opinion, this is a narrative being created by the media based on their own perception ("VAR ruins the game by intervening too much") and 'bubble' -- which is parrotted by some people on this site who are just anti-VAR rather than analyse it on it's own merits (to be clear: I'd get rid of it tmr and focus on just making the refs good but the clubs are too powerful and demand it and there's nothing we can do...) -- when the reality is much more nuanced. 'Boffins' who talk about high bar etc really just alienate fans: we have this excellent tool to correct mistakes which can be recognised by ALL remotely knowledgeable fans, such as Gillett's award to Brentford at the weekend and this mistake by leaden-footed Jones last night, but no, "hiGH BaR"... the only real advocates of the high-bar are the non-refereeing bureaucrats in eg. the Premier League itself. I hope Webb is strong enough to face them in PGMOL and save our hitherto terrible VAR system.

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General Discussion / Re: Crystal Palace v Manchester United Robert Jones
« on: Thu 19 Jan 2023 12:48 »
Somebody picked up on Swarbrick being VAR?! It seems that Webb tried to rehabilitate the (former??) VAR leader with an active role in the VOR. Interesting move...

Nobody really cares about "high bar" blah blah blah. They just want interventions for clear penalties - like last night's. Former players (eg. Redknapp and Murray) know more about (real) refereeing than our own officials!! :D

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General Discussion / Re: A MADLEY - Arsenal v Newcastle
« on: Tue 03 Jan 2023 20:56 »
Did Madley just violate the laws by giving a dropped ball to Newcastle as an obstructing-the-ball decision (should ofc by IFK to other team)?!? The game could be ordered replayed because of that! :D

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General Discussion / Re: A MADLEY - Arsenal v Newcastle
« on: Tue 03 Jan 2023 20:38 »
The cards for reckless were obviously correct ffs (Guimarães, Wilson, Xhaka). The cards for tactical fouls were so deep on the pitch that many PGMOL refs would have ignored them, and Madley was going to, until he was influenced by Newcastle mobbing! But they were justified. Neville is talking rubbish tonight... but Madley has been too weak as well and the Newcastle players are playing him very well!

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General Discussion / Arsenal vs. Newcastle, Andrew Madley [VAR: Attwell]
« on: Tue 03 Jan 2023 20:35 »
The lack of reaction against Newcastle's repeated mobbing/dissent is really poor! All the five bookings were rightly issued but the deeper SPA/lack of respect calls for Nketiah and Ødegaard, he was blatantly influenced by the protests and wouldn't have given them otherwise. PGMOL refereeing is risable in many regards, and this is one of the worst. Newcastle have been too clever and cute for Madley tonight (the same I'd imagine as Leeds/Hooper at the weekend). With such poor officiating, you can't blame teams for employing such tactics - they work!!

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General Discussion / Charlton vs. Brighton, Thomas Bramall
« on: Thu 22 Dec 2022 14:51 »
Some clips from his game last night in the EFL Cup.



Reckless vs. SFP?

https://streamable.com/sgfnm9


Missed penalty to Brighton? (not good positioning)

https://streamable.com/nt4u8c


Missed caution for simulation to Estupiñán (again not good positioning...)

https://streamable.com/g4rbt6

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General Discussion / Re: Manchester City v Brentford- Peter Bankes (VAR: David Coote)
« on: Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:39 »
Quote from: TVOS on Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:53
Quote from: Mikael W on Sat 12 Nov 2022 14:57
Detecting Cancelo's dive was very good because Bankes used pure intuition (or to say it another way - he guessed) to get the decision correct - he was caught too far right and not in a good position to assess the incident. Good call. Many, many KMIs which will/would need a detailed look back on but overall I saw a very competent but only modestly able referee (no real advantages for him in personality, movement, decision-taking etc) referee today - PGMOL made the right decision to hook Bankes from the FIFA list, his prospects internationally would be quite limited.

How do you know he guessed?

Well I don't know, and it was obviously an "educated guess" rather than a 'stab in the dark', but it is pretty obvious that he took this decision from 'experience' rather than excellent perception/positioning. You can see that he is craining his next to look through a number of players, and then his first reaction is not to blow up for a dive, but instead to run left, and then he 'works out' that probably it was simulation so signals a defensive freekick and gives the yellow card. Bankes had two oppotunities to run left to get the perfect 'insight angle' into the penalty area incident, declined both, and was fortunate that a 'corridor' opened up through the Brentford players so he could get a half-decent view.

However, any discussion like that should be in the 'developing for the future' heading is all is part conjecture, as he got the decision right.

(@Adam - this was a good/very good decision; an "excellent" decision would be to caution Foden too for blatant mobbing :)).

EDIT: see this image, the black square is where the referee ought to have been positioned.
https://imgur.com/a/brdS1Ms

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General Discussion / Re: Manchester City v Brentford- Peter Bankes (VAR: David Coote)
« on: Sat 12 Nov 2022 15:52 »
Quote from: Adam on Sat 12 Nov 2022 15:34
Quote from: Mikael W on Sat 12 Nov 2022 14:57
Detecting Cancelo's dive was very good because Bankes used pure intuition (or to say it another way - he guessed) to get the decision correct - he was caught too far right and not in a good position to assess the incident. Good call. Many, many KMIs which will/would need a detailed look back on but overall I saw a very competent but only modestly able referee (no real advantages for him in personality, movement, decision-taking etc) referee today - PGMOL made the right decision to hook Bankes from the FIFA list, his prospects internationally would be quite limited.

I thought he was very good, kept a cool head throughout the game and got most calls right, vitally all the important ones were correct

He probably should've booked Guardiola though. Multiple times he was on the pitch if my eyes don't deceive me!

He looks a safe pair of hands but I do agree with your FIFA point

Agree. I ought to have ended my first comment on a (deservedly) positive note - well done to him today, held his nerve in a difficult match.

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General Discussion / Re: Manchester City v Brentford- Peter Bankes (VAR: David Coote)
« on: Sat 12 Nov 2022 14:57 »
Detecting Cancelo's dive was very good because Bankes used pure intuition (or to say it another way - he guessed) to get the decision correct - he was caught too far right and not in a good position to assess the incident. Good call. Many, many KMIs which will/would need a detailed look back on but overall I saw a very competent but only modestly able referee (no real advantages for him in personality, movement, decision-taking etc) referee today - PGMOL made the right decision to hook Bankes from the FIFA list, his prospects internationally would be quite limited.

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General Discussion / Re: Manchester United Player Behaviour
« on: Wed 09 Nov 2022 20:28 »
Quote from: Hendo on Wed 09 Nov 2022 16:58
Quote from: Seagull on Wed 09 Nov 2022 16:23
Will this deter the players from behaving as they did in future? I suspect not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63573410

I agree. Ronaldo could probably pay the fine out of an hours wages.
A fine of this nature means nothing. Until the F A start hitting clubs with points deductions for such behaviour I fear it will continue unabated.

Suggesting points deductions is absurd, with all respect. In (some) other countries referees punish dissent, mobbing and poor technical area conduct consequently. Naturally, their behaviour is much better. It really isn't that difficult...

Eg: in English games, Arteta's behaviour is absolutely ridiculous, and he is always given a carte blanche. However, in Arsenal's Europa League match with PSV Eindhoven after the first gesture of dissent made by him, the referee Hernández immediately warned him that if he continued, he would be cautioned. Lo and behold, Arteta never dissented again. Again: it really isn't that difficult...

PGMOL encourage referee costume rather than referee kit refereeing, this area is a prime example. I hope that such trends depart concurrently with Mr Riley.

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