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General Discussion / Re: Missing Officials
« on: Fri 27 Aug 2021 09:10 »
I would argue it's no indicator of fitness whatsoever, when you can pass the fitness test (and therefore by definition be deemed fit enough to do the games) but then not be offered games because of how you look.

I might even suggest it's illegal.....

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General Discussion / Re: Missing Officials
« on: Mon 23 Aug 2021 21:23 »
There are a lot more officials on the 'missing list' than those listed.

The PGMOL are not currently offering EFL appointments to any official who measured in excess of the stated body fat limit (different depending on your role and level) regardless of whether or not they passed the fitness test.

This may or may not be responsible for some of the absences you mention.

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General Discussion / Re: Missing Officials
« on: Mon 23 Aug 2021 16:41 »
In their first three games of the season Portsmouth had both Kettle and Breakspear. I was wondering which three would make a nap hand, perhaps Deadman?

You'd get fairly good odds on that.....

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General Discussion / Re: Trevor Kettle
« on: Fri 23 Jul 2021 09:54 »
any news on whether Mr Kettle has extended his stay as a referee?

He has passed his fitness test so one can only assume he is carrying on.

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General Discussion / Re: So then your "learned" opinion.
« on: Fri 09 Jul 2021 11:53 »
This sums up perfectly for me how difficult it is to be a referee, particularly at the very highest level.

I've watched that back from every angle available, in slow motion, and I still can't tell if it's a foul or not.  There is contact, no two ways about that.  But the question the referee has to answer is did the contact cause the player to go down.  If yes, it's a penalty.  If not, the player is cheating.  When it's so difficult to tell even on replays, what chance does the poor guy have with one look from one angle at full speed?  He would have my sympathies whichever way he went with it.

I don't accept that Sterling did what every footballer would do - the more we accept defences like that to justify cheating (if indeed that's what it was, only Sterling will ever know) the longer it will take to rid the game of such things.

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General Discussion / Additional Time
« on: Mon 05 Jul 2021 09:16 »
It was interesting to see Felix Brych play absolutely no additional time at the end of the 2nd half in the Ukraine v England game, despite there being three goals, a triple substitution (possibly other subs, I was a few beers deep by this point!) so realistically there probably should have been 3 or so minutes.

I'd be interested to get people's thoughts on this.  The outcome of the game was clearly not in doubt so was this sensible refereeing to put Ukraine out of their misery?  Or does it question the integrity of the competition along with potential implications for betting markets?

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General Discussion / Scott Duncan
« on: Thu 01 Jul 2021 09:11 »
The PGMOL have announced that Scott Duncan is retiring from his position as an SG2 referee with immediate effect and he will operate as an EFL observer for season 2021/22.

Happy retirement Scott!

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General Discussion / Re: Promotion 2021
« on: Thu 24 Jun 2021 09:16 »
I am perplexed and not a little concerned by, if not the direct wording, the implications that may be read into certain comments, particularly as relate to Rebecca Welch.
Why is it acceptable to wonder if her promotion is for other than reasons of her ability?
Would similar questions be raised about, fir example, an LGTBQ Official?
Were they raised, again for example, when Uriah Rennie reached the Premier League?
The majority of female officials I know would be just as offended at suggestions of them receiving positive discrimination as they are at being discriminated against

Let me just clarify my own comments here because I accept what you are saying entirely.  Towards the end of every season, we can usually have a good guess (and we do) at who is in the frame based on big league games, cup final and play off appointments.  Based on that 'evidence' this promotion was a surprise.  As you rightly say, there may be other factors at play of course.

I actively stand against all forms of discrimination in society and we should all be working hard to eliminate it.

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General Discussion / Re: Promotion 2021
« on: Thu 24 Jun 2021 09:08 »
It is probably worth noting that the fitness test requirements are being ramped up over the next couple of years, along with the body fat limits being reduced, which is of course a way of getting rid of the older elements of each list without falling foul of age discrimination legislation!  This may explain the fairly unprecedented four promotions to the SG1 referees list.

Regarding the promotion of Rebecca Welch, none of us will ever know where she finished in the merit table and anything else is pure speculation.  Granted, she didn't get appointed to a play-off game but do remember she may have been injured or been unavailable for work/personal reasons.  However, if this isn't the case then it would be disappointing.  Ten referees were appointed to the play off games (including 4th officials) and you would have to logically assume these were the top ten referees in the merit list.  To then promote someone outside of that based on their belonging to a particular social demographic as a potential PR exercise would be wrong and totally unfair on the official concerned - it's a big step up from the NL to the EFL, not necessarily in terms of the standard of football but most definitely in terms of expectation, prestige and media scrutiny.

We will never know, but I really hope this promotion was made on the basis of merit and nothing else, as promoting someone before they are ready is totally unfair on the referee.

Even more unfair on the teams and supporters of teams they referee in their unready state. Not to mention unfair a referee who might have been ready but misses out in the interests of inclusivity and diversity.

Have to say with the abuse of match officials week in, week out by teams and supporters alike I couldn't really care less if it's unfair on them!  But I take your point.
Those supporters you donít care about pay vast sums of money to follow their teams around the country and all they want is matches refereed fairly and in a competent manner, something that they donít always get.

And those supporters that pay 'vast sums of money' use that as an excuse to behave in a manner which would get you arrested in the street or sacked in an office, but we pass it off as 'passion' because it happens within the confines of a football ground, so forgive me if my sympathy is running a little short.

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General Discussion / Re: Promotion 2021
« on: Wed 23 Jun 2021 09:35 »
It is probably worth noting that the fitness test requirements are being ramped up over the next couple of years, along with the body fat limits being reduced, which is of course a way of getting rid of the older elements of each list without falling foul of age discrimination legislation!  This may explain the fairly unprecedented four promotions to the SG1 referees list.

Regarding the promotion of Rebecca Welch, none of us will ever know where she finished in the merit table and anything else is pure speculation.  Granted, she didn't get appointed to a play-off game but do remember she may have been injured or been unavailable for work/personal reasons.  However, if this isn't the case then it would be disappointing.  Ten referees were appointed to the play off games (including 4th officials) and you would have to logically assume these were the top ten referees in the merit list.  To then promote someone outside of that based on their belonging to a particular social demographic as a potential PR exercise would be wrong and totally unfair on the official concerned - it's a big step up from the NL to the EFL, not necessarily in terms of the standard of football but most definitely in terms of expectation, prestige and media scrutiny.

We will never know, but I really hope this promotion was made on the basis of merit and nothing else, as promoting someone before they are ready is totally unfair on the referee.

Even more unfair on the teams and supporters of teams they referee in their unready state. Not to mention unfair a referee who might have been ready but misses out in the interests of inclusivity and diversity.

Have to say with the abuse of match officials week in, week out by teams and supporters alike I couldn't really care less if it's unfair on them!  But I take your point.

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General Discussion / Re: Promotion 2021
« on: Tue 22 Jun 2021 09:35 »
It is probably worth noting that the fitness test requirements are being ramped up over the next couple of years, along with the body fat limits being reduced, which is of course a way of getting rid of the older elements of each list without falling foul of age discrimination legislation!  This may explain the fairly unprecedented four promotions to the SG1 referees list.

Regarding the promotion of Rebecca Welch, none of us will ever know where she finished in the merit table and anything else is pure speculation.  Granted, she didn't get appointed to a play-off game but do remember she may have been injured or been unavailable for work/personal reasons.  However, if this isn't the case then it would be disappointing.  Ten referees were appointed to the play off games (including 4th officials) and you would have to logically assume these were the top ten referees in the merit list.  To then promote someone outside of that based on their belonging to a particular social demographic as a potential PR exercise would be wrong and totally unfair on the official concerned - it's a big step up from the NL to the EFL, not necessarily in terms of the standard of football but most definitely in terms of expectation, prestige and media scrutiny.

We will never know, but I really hope this promotion was made on the basis of merit and nothing else, as promoting someone before they are ready is totally unfair on the referee.

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General Discussion / Re: Anthony Taylor
« on: Tue 15 Jun 2021 09:04 »
Finally some positive media coverage of a match official!

And all he had to do was play a role in saving someone's life....

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General Discussion / Re: Anthony Taylor
« on: Mon 14 Jun 2021 09:06 »
Anthony would I'm sure say that every piece of training he has ever had is based around one of the primary duties and responsibilities of the referee, that of ensuring the safety of the players, and that he was 'just doing his job'.

But nothing in any training prepares you for what he had to deal with and his impeccable handling of the situation should be held in the highest regard.

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General Discussion / Re: The VAR thread
« on: Fri 11 Jun 2021 14:37 »
However its done, Offside is still a binary thing - it is either offside or not offside and someone will still be called offside by "a toenail". 

So the moaning will not cease - unless, football introduces the equivalent of "umpire's call".  But for that, the ARs will have to make the "call" (as opposed to today's "wait and see" protocols" and - as long as it is within an agreed tolerance level- what they say goes.  It does mean that you could have two identical scenarios with one called offside and the other not, but that is what happens in cricket and they sort of accept that.  Might be a bit of a stretch for football though?

Agree totally.  This will change nothing.  Even if you say a player has to be two yards offside to be penalised, the 'pundits' will then start kicking off about the ones that are two yards and half an inch.  It matters precious little where you draw the line, it's the perception of it that needs to change.  The sooner everyone just accepts that some marginal calls will go for you and some against then these pointless conversations will stop.

Personally, I've always thought a far easier way of judging offside (and selling the decisions to the masses) would be just to use position of the feet.

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General Discussion / Re: Promotion Interviews 2021
« on: Wed 09 Jun 2021 16:50 »
Speaking as someone who appoints officials and collates merit tables, it has always been based on merit.

I cant and wont begin to comment on something I dont know in regards the national league promotions.

What I will say is refs are now given their position rather than bandings, so for example a ref is 6 of 60.
However they have their own whats app groups or some other medium where they discuss each others position so it wouldnt be difficult to figure out if most posted on the group.
This would be more likely to be the case I would suggest  in geographical areas where they all know each other.

Assuming everyone tells the truth ;)

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