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A simple decision - No 6. slow to retrieve the ball, then rolling down the line. Defo - delay of game....

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General Discussion / Re: P TIERNEY - Man U v Brighton
« on: Mon 08 Aug 2022 12:56 »
Just about as obvious as it can get. You also have to ask what is the Assistant on that side watching, as he would’ve had an unbelievably good view to help Tierney out in real time.

If that s not a penalty at Old Trafford this season, then Ronaldo is going to cry a lots for the tumbles he takes in the penalty area. All three involved (R, AR & VAR) should be have a weeks rest.

At L4, that would be a missed KMI and a substandard mark.

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International Appointments / Re: Women's Euros 2022
« on: Fri 29 Jul 2022 12:19 »
Has to be Monzul for the final methinks if England and France progress.

If France progress and England don't-Welch
If England progress and France don't- Frappart
If both progress - Monzul
If both don't- either frappart or Welch

Well, you have guessed correctly

https://www.uefa.com/womenseuro/match/2032236--england-vs-germany/

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International Appointments / Re: Women's Euros 2022
« on: Tue 26 Jul 2022 12:32 »
Officials for the Germany v France game announced:

Referee : Cheryl Foster WAL

https://www.uefa.com/womenseuro/match/2032235--germany-vs-france/

Is this a slight shock appointment?

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General Discussion / Re: Officials pay
« on: Mon 25 Jul 2022 12:43 »
"There isn't the money in Leagues One and Two". I hear you, but my answer to that is why the heck not? There is enough money at all levels of professional football to justify a decent officiating budget every year. Especially with every manager and pundit bemoaning officials performance every week. More money and a pathway increases standards.

This is what I would do... we need to start paying these people properly

18 x SG1 referees - £150,000 a year retainer + £1,500 a match  (£750 as a 4th official, £1,000 as a VAR)
32 x SG1 assistants - £60,000 a year + £700 per match
4 x SG1 dedicated VARs - £70,000 a year + £1,000 a match

20 x SG2 referees - £70,000 a year + £750 per match (£375 as a 4th)
36 x SG2 assistants - £35,000 a year + £375 per match

36 x SG3 ("NL") referees - £45,000 a year + £375 per match (£200 as a 4th)
60 x SG3 assistants - £25,000 a year + £200 per match

20 x National League referees - £28,000 a year + £200 per match
36 x National League assistants - £125 per match

That costs about £16M a season. A drop in the ocean in comparison to everything else in the game.

The costings are quite that simply. Apart from their pay, the officials would want
-- a 2-3 years guaranteed contract
- pension contributions
- company car (which woudl be cheaper than mileage claims)
- health insurance
- etc, etc. etc

When FT referees were first discussed by the EPL, it was in the mid 1990's. They would have had a £60K contract for 2 years, car, etc, etc. Not an unreasonable deal.

Ken Bates came along and said we are not paying them that, we want to spend our money on our teams ..... or words to that effect. It never changes, the clubs will think it is too expensive what solution the referees want.

The NFL (the richest game in the world) plays it referees $205,000 +  for a 20 game season - so, converting would mean the EPL officials are being underpaid.


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General Discussion / Re: Officials pay
« on: Mon 25 Jul 2022 12:35 »
"There isn't the money in Leagues One and Two". I hear you, but my answer to that is why the heck not? There is enough money at all levels of professional football to justify a decent officiating budget every year. Especially with every manager and pundit bemoaning officials performance every week. More money and a pathway increases standards.

This is what I would do... we need to start paying these people properly

18 x SG1 referees - £150,000 a year retainer + £1,500 a match  (£750 as a 4th official, £1,000 as a VAR)
32 x SG1 assistants - £60,000 a year + £700 per match
4 x SG1 dedicated VARs - £70,000 a year + £1,000 a match

20 x SG2 referees - £70,000 a year + £750 per match (£375 as a 4th)
36 x SG2 assistants - £35,000 a year + £375 per match

36 x SG3 ("NL") referees - £45,000 a year + £375 per match (£200 as a 4th)
60 x SG3 assistants - £25,000 a year + £200 per match

20 x National League referees - £28,000 a year + £200 per match
36 x National League assistants - £125 per match

That costs about £16M a season. A drop in the ocean in comparison to everything else in the game.

For a number of people I know at Level 2A , these salary levels would not be sufficient for them to leave their full-time employment. They are in professional practices and will be earning well above these levels now, with the opportunities to continue their career. Leaving to join as a FT referee would kill that career development. The FA/PMGOL need to decide if they want the best officials or the most available officials which they can train up. This has been the decision for a number of years..

Joe Worrell had to take a huge pay cut to become a FT referee in the beginning of the EPL. He was a partner in a firm of Chartered Accountants ... I don't think a person in their late 20's would make that choice now, they would stay as they are. that is why so many referees coming up have jobs within the CFA's.

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International Appointments / Re: Women's Euros 2022
« on: Mon 25 Jul 2022 12:24 »
Officials for the England v Sweden game announced:

Referee
Esther Staubli SUI

https://www.uefa.com/womenseuro/match/2032234--england-vs-sweden/

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Select Group 2 / Re: Playoffs 2021/22
« on: Mon 23 May 2022 12:18 »
Final

Sun 29th May 2022
Huddersfield Town FC (First Team) v Nottingham Forest F.C. (First Team)
Football League Championship    
Referee: Moss, Jonathan
Assistant Referee: Perry, Marc
Assistant Referee: Wood, Timothy
Fourth Official: Pawson, Craig
Reserve Assistant Referee: Smith, Wade
Video Assistant Referee: Tierney, Paul
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Hussin, Ian

Thought it might be Mike Dean, but last game for Moss so not unexpected.

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General Discussion / Re: David Coote. Chelsea v Newcastle
« on: Mon 14 Mar 2022 08:53 »
How Coote has got to the level he has is one of the great, recent refereeing mysteries. I saw him once in the FL and thought he was bang average and I have seen him many times in the PL and have never been convinced. Next to no player relationship, very card happy and little control.
Clear red card and a clear penalty. Teams deserve better than these poor officials in the middle and on VAR
By being at the right level at the right time. He probably had a good season in SG2, and was young enough to move up. The problem is the better referees are becoming older, and therefore not eligible for FIFA.

At time we do get a selection of poor referees at the top, due to the lack of quality coming though,. Examples would be Durkin and Riley in the late 1990's being the top referees, given what preceded them Philip Don is USA (1994) and Poll in Japan (2002).

I think he has reached above the limit of his abilities, and won't be able to develop.

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General Discussion / Re: Conti Cup Final
« on: Mon 07 Mar 2022 13:20 »
Well...I think I've watched one of the most blatant handball penalty decisions not given today! Given the recent high profile errors being made in WSL, I'm sure it won't be long before we see the introduction of VAR. Especially given how much the women's game is being pushed at the moment.

https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/1500166722485211137?t=rO1f0v7B79mzppL2xjaaDw&s=19
I can't see it being done quickly. Given that some of the matches are played on National League grounds, they would need to make the investment in getting the camera installed and wired up.

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General Discussion / Re: P TIERNEY - Liverpool v Man City
« on: Mon 04 Oct 2021 12:24 »
On a separate thread, we have comments about the shortage of referees and the action of coaches/players are partially causing this.

So, if they see Managers like Pep doing that on a Sunday (with no consequences), they think it is right to do it to a new 15 year old kid. Standards of behaviour towards referees will only improve when the SG1 referees start protecting the game...


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General Discussion / Re: Shrewsbury v Gillingham SAM ALLISON
« on: Fri 03 Sep 2021 13:18 »
Three sent off including a Shrewsbury goalkeeper after a touchline bust up causing a melee- Paul Raynor, assistant manager of Gills Red Carded too.

Not seen it but would be interested in the views of those that did watch it

Afters for both clubs must be a possibility

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM-anAyYlNQ

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Bell and Hicks with the TV games in this round - Hicks unlucky to miss out on SG2 in my opinion so I hope he has another strong year.

Also an all Championship clash for Barrott - decent appointments last season for a first year ref, could well be one to keep an eye on!

I noticed that Samuel and James Bell, both 2nd year EFL referees have good appointments. Both really have the ability, lets see if they can use it.

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General Discussion / Re: Israeli Cup Final VAR AGAIN
« on: Mon 14 Jun 2021 13:01 »
Where was the fourth official to help the ref out in clearing the VAR area?!!

Hope the red team get a hefty punishment

For the managers actions to the opposition fans, he should have been arrested. I hope he gets a "year off" from football - anything lower is a disgrace.

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General Discussion / Promotion - who goes up to SG1 & SG2
« on: Tue 11 May 2021 10:36 »
What changes do we expect to the SG1 & SG2 referees?

Are any of the SG1 likely to retire at the end of the season?

Thoughts?

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