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« on: Wed 29 Nov 2023 18:18 »
The referee, whom we are assuming is Ray Aldous, perfectly displays the three white triangles which were so common at that time, consisting of the left and right ends of the white collar together with the white T shirt.
David Wells is not someone whom I remember at all but I have to agree that the photograph, even though he is distant, does portray great dapperness. In those days referees who were particular about their appearance always boiled their white laces and the front of their shorts had an ironed crease on which you could cut your finger !
Hi Whistleblower. Yes that is my Grandad - David Wells. Thankyou for posting this. If you have any other photos of him please let me know  Thankyou.
Nice to hear from you re your Grandad David Wells. I saw him quite a few times in and around Beds in his earlier days pre his promotion to the FL. I always rated him highly but wasn't sure whether injury or illness curtailed his career-do you happen to know?
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« on: Thu 13 Oct 2022 23:10 »
Another gem on this Youtube channel is a colour film of highlights of the 1954 World Cup final between West Germany and Hungary, very good quality for the period and complete with slow motion replays. Commentary is in German but you don't have to know the language to enjoy the commentator's exuberance. Sadly the late disallowed Hungarian equaliser, flagged offside by Mervyn Griffiths, isn't shown with enough build up to form a view, but you can sympathise with Bill Ling as he has a hosiery malfunction towards the end of a hot and thundery afternoon, and then nearly gets nutted by Hungarian keeper Grosics as he continues to dispute the decision after the final whistle.
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« on: Mon 03 Oct 2022 17:05 »
Ah yes, that would be me and I make no apology for criticising Peter Bye. He came to Selhurst Park twice in three days in April 1968, Palace v Coventry in the FA Youth Cup semi-final and Palace v Huddersfield in Div 2, and he made a complete hash of both, culminating in missing a Huddersfield defender fisting the ball over his bar late in the game which Huddersfield won 1-0 and then giving a goal kick. He seemed completely out of his depth, matched only in my experience by Bill Bombroff, Palace v Arsenal in later times. Amazingly Peter still had time to referee Palace's game at Norwich less than two weeks later before inevitably dropping off the list at the end of the season. I'm pleased that he was found courteous and helpful to young referees, but I can only speak from my experience of him on the field of play.
No need to apologise AT. Obviously you called it as you saw it. I think he had injury issues towards the end of his career which probably accelerated his exit.
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« on: Fri 30 Sep 2022 23:47 »
Here are a few more "spots" from these videos:
1954/5 Luton v Man City (FA Cup) F L Overton (a very short clip but a good view of the toss)
1957/8 Spurs v Forest K A Collinge
1958/9 Tooting v Bournemouth (FA Cup) Dennis Howell (again)
1958/9 Arsenal v Everton J Barradell
1960/1 Luton v Man City (FA Cup again-the replay of the famous abandoned match when Denis Law had got 6 but Luton won the replay) K R Tuck
1960/1 Stoke v Blackburn (FA Cup) H Webb
1960/1 Forest v Villa J A Cattlin
1960/1 Burnley v Newcastle R J Simons
1961/2 Sheffield Utd v Leicester J W Bullough
1961/2 Man Utd v Ipswich R J Simons again
1961/2 Spurs v Man Utd (FA Cup semi) R T E Langdale
1962/3 WBA v Ipswich A Atherton
1962/3 Arsenal v Sheffield Wed E Norman
1962/3 Bolton v Forest R T E Langdale again
1962/3 Orient v Man City P Bye
1965/6 Sheffield utd v Northampton W Crossley
As was commented above, many of these will be more unfamiliar to people like me who grew up in the south, so I added Peter Bye to redress the balance a bit. I know he was pilloried by a certain Palace fan on another thread but I knew him a bit and found him courteous and helpful to young referees. He regularly attended RA meetings which was more than could be said of some of those promoted to higher things.
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« on: Fri 26 Aug 2022 18:39 »
I must have been on the same course as Diogenes. 'Weary smiles' - must have been the peacocks which called from dawn onwards (July)!
Coincidentally I met his namesake Sid (albeit spelled differently) Stoakes of Mansfield on a course in the late 60s where he did a session on lining skills.
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« on: Sun 21 Aug 2022 16:02 »
...and a few more;
Spurs v Charlton (FA Cup) 60/1-J S McLaughlin
Spurs v Burnley 61/2-C W Kingston
Wolves v Chelsea 60/1-C F Duxbury
Luton v Preston 58/9-A E Westwood [later secretary of Norwich]
Wolves v Villa (FA Cup semi final) 59/60-A Jobling
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« on: Tue 16 Aug 2022 22:47 »
A couple more just spotted-
Leyton Orient v Blackpool 62/3-S Yates
Chelsea v Rotherham 62/3-J E Cooke
and topically, the famous Minister for Drought who made it rain-
Chelsea v Portsmouth 58/9-Denis Howell MP!
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« on: Tue 16 Aug 2022 18:49 »
Apologies if everyone except me saw this ages ago, but on Theheavyroller section of Youtube is a large collection of short TV football highlights programmes from the 50s and 60s. Some of them are from the programmes that predated Match of the Day on Saturday evenings before 1964/5, often introduced by Kenneth Wolstenholme and featuring commentators such as David Coleman, Cliff Michelmore and Alan Weeks as well as Wolstenholme himself. The picture quality isn't always great and the sound sometimes packs up completely, but for those of a certain vintage it's a great way to waste an hour or two, and in particular it's a chance to spot some of the refs of the period. Some are obvious such as Arthur Ellis, Jim Finney, Reg Leafe, Kevin Howley etc, but I've found a lot of others who weren't immediately recognisable to me at any rate. Occasionally the commentary identifies the ref but I've also found the following from searching programmes on eBay or the British Newspaper archive for reports, in no particular order:
West Ham v Man City 61/2-A W Sparling
Wolves v Man City 60/61-R Reddaway
Spurs v Sheff Wd 57/8-B A E Buckle
Luton v Preston 56/7-F Overton
Bristol City v Middlesbrough 59/60-J S Pickles
Chelsea v Huddersfield 62/3-A E Moore
Hastings v Norwich (FA Cup) 53/4-F C Williams
Arsenal v Bolton 60/1-P H Carr
Man City v Spurs 60/1=P Rhodes
Spurs v Blackburn 60/1-R M Jordan
West Ham v Ipswich 61/2-P G Brandwood
Plymouth v WBA (FA Cup) 62/3-R E Smith
West Ham v Wolves 60/1-K J Seddon
West Ham v Sheff Wds 60/1-F V Stringer
Bolton v Man U 60/1-A Edge (also on Sheff Utd v Ipswich 62/3)
Man U v Blackpool 55/6-F Gerrard
Burnley v Chelsea 61/2-K Stokes
I'm sure there are lots more.
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« on: Mon 13 Dec 2021 18:18 »
I think that joke also appears in the 1939 movie "The Arsenal Stadium Mystery"!
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« on: Sat 20 Nov 2021 17:44 »
Jack Tregellas was from Birmingham. Shown as living at 129 Newlands Rd, Stirchley in the 46/7 Southern League handbook and same address appears, with Christian name,in the 1949 Birmingham phone book on Ancestry.
WJ (Bill) Dellow from Croydon. Later long serving secretary of the Southern League.
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« on: Fri 01 Oct 2021 16:46 »
I was watching the tributes the other day to the late great Roger Hunt. There were two sequences involving referees, Liverpool v Arsenal in August 1964 when Roger scored the first ever goal on MOTD. The ref was Kevin Howley. And then the following May, Roger scored Liverpool's first goal in the FA Cup Final, ref Bill Clements. What was noticeable was how exaggerated the goal signals were, with Bill taking off for the centre circle, arms flaying in the air as if he were celebrating. Compare that with the perfunctory flick of the finger employed now by Kevin Friend to indicate a goal!
Good point AT. When I was very junior and doing quite an exciting match that was decided by a late goal I did the full "Clements" goal signal plus a load blast on the whistle. The County FA refs secretary, a nice man, was watching and afterwards said, quietly, "I thought you had a good game overall but I don't think the entire neighbourhood really needed to know about that last goal, did it?"
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« on: Tue 17 Aug 2021 19:23 »
Saturday 20th February 1960
F.A. Cup 6th Round
Leicester City 2, West Bromwich Albion 1
Jack Husband (Wandsworth, Surrey) tragically died of a heart attack at half time
George Walker (Bristol) linesman took over after the resumption was delayed by 7 minutes
Reports differ as to who took over the line
One gives "Clive Brenchley" who had travelled up with Husband,
but the only person of that name I can find was born only 4 years before
Therefore I prefer "R.Brett of Surrey F.A." and with him being from Surrey
he could be the fellow who travelled up with Husband
There was a C G Brenchley who refereed on the Metropolitan League (mainly FL "A" and Southern League reserve teams) in the late 50s/early 60s. I saw him several times doing Bedford Town reserve matches. In the Metropolitan League 56/7 yearbook, when he was on the linesman's list, his address was 41 Craylands Rd Peckham, SE15. So same area of London as Husband and quite likely to have travelled with him if he had a Saturday off. I remember reading the report that he'd taken over at the time and recognising the name. (Sorry about the late reply but I've had a computer crash)
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« on: Mon 26 Apr 2021 20:43 »
I also saw Counsell just the once and I would think he's the one on the left in the Howley photo but wouldn't swear to it.
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« on: Sun 11 Apr 2021 17:55 »
https://www.macearchive.org/films/atv-today-03081973-football-referee-roger-kirkpatrick
With apologies if this has been shown before, just come across this 1973 interview with Roger. A few things strike me -
1. He doesn’t seem to be as rotund as he appeared on the field of play
2. How eloquent he comes across and quite serious too
3. Even in those days there were questions about referee integrity and the need for some, like Roger, to get 3rd parties to look after their interests.
Great character, great ref. Football sadly lacking his likes today
Very interesting and a well spoken piece. I always had the impression that he did slim down a bit later in his career.
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« on: Sun 11 Apr 2021 17:48 »
Bourne Local 23rd February 2018
F.L. linesman from 1955
STENNETT Henry Garfoot
born in Bourne, Lincolnshire, died 25th January 2018, aged 96 at Southend University Hospital.
Beloved husband of the late Joan Mary (nee Palmer)
He moved to Leigh on Sea towards the end of his refereeing career, I see he appears in the 63/4 FL yearbook as living in Bristol but was on the Southern League referees' list at Leigh on Sea in 64/5. He's still on the FL linesman's list for 65/6 at that address although no longer on the SL-possibly by then he'd switched to the Combination or Isthmian. I recall seeing him doing Cambridge Utd v Bedford Town in April 65, but never saw him again after that. Tallish, rather schoolmasterly in manner.
father to Mark, Paul and Neil
grandfather to Emma, Laura, Sophie, Amy, Hannah and Richard.
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