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General Discussion / Re: Promotions 2025/26
« on: Tue 03 Jun 2025 10:54 »
Congrats to those promoted!

I guess this list doesn't include those in the Elite Referee Development Pathway?

This list does not. They are "re-aligned" as opposed to promoted/reclassified. This was public information in 2023, but nothing has been provided since, as for example Oliver Mackey is an ERDP member who was a 2b referee in 2023/24 but moved to the National List (as listed on the EFL website) in 2024/25 without much fanfare.

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General Discussion / Re: Promotions 2025/26
« on: Fri 30 May 2025 15:17 »
End of Season Promotions - May 2025

Promotion to National Group Referees (4)
George Laflin Suffolk FA
Lewis Sandoe Army FA
Matthew Scholes Shropshire FA
Gareth Thomas Sheffield & Hallamshire FA

Promotion to National Group of Assistant Referees ()
Pending a PGMOL assessment day

Promotion to Step 2 Referee (11)

Craig Barnett Essex FA
Dan Blades Kent FA
Jonathan Bolland Surrey FA
Samuel Bragg West Riding FA
Jack Churchill Manchester FA
Jordan Crossley Lancashire FA
Scott Henry Cumberland FA
Charles King Sheffield & Hallamshire FA
Jason Porter Birmingham FA
Brandon Scaife Staffordshire FA
Richard Wharton Hertfordshire FA

Promotion to Step 3/4 Referee & Step 2 Assistant Referee (55)

Robert Alderton Middlesex FA
Wil Annear Cornwall FA
Jon Ashworth-Sears Lancashire FA
Lewis Atkinson Lancashire FA
Thomas Baines Hampshire FA
Dylan Baylis Somerset FA
James Birch-Ford Lancashire FA
James Black Kent FA
Andrew Bower Gloucestershire FA
Ryan Calver Sussex FA
Harrison Clark Kent FA
Ronan Coller-Booth West Riding FA
Alexander Cotterill Nottinghamshire FA
Peter Creagh Berks & Bucks FA
Cameron Davis Hampshire FA
Jack Deschoolmeester RAF FA
Benjamin Duffill Army FA
Mark Fitzpatrick Kent FA
Thomas Fox Essex FA
Liam Giles Amateur Football Alliance
Simon Gudger Worcestershire FA
Henry Harvey Suffolk FA
Luke Hood West Riding FA
Stuart Jessop Norfolk FA
Callum Johnson Birmingham FA
John-Patrick Kane Sussex FA
Aimee Keir Lincolnshire FA
Lee Kendrick Suffolk FA
Thomas Kennedy Cheshire FA
Mark King Cornwall FA
Julia Kings Birmingham FA
Joel Lamping Sussex FA
Tom Lishman North Riding FA
Callum Lockley Leicestershire & Rutland FA
Lewis Marriner Durham FA
Alexander Molloy Middlesex FA
David Morey Royal Navy FA
Joseph Morrell Manchester FA
Ethan Nundy Lincolnshire FA
James Owen Cheshire FA
Shemakay Own Lincolnshire FA
Andrew Park Lincolnshire FA
Nathan Parry Birmingham FA
Thomas Price Sussex FA
Kieron Rogers Staffordshire FA
Adam Shimmin Middlesex FA
Jason Smith West Riding FA
Michael Smith Berks & Bucks FA
Callum Timperley Leicestershire & Rutland FA
Jack Tooth Manchester FA
Matthew Uren Devon FA
Christopher Walton Northamptonshire FA
Harvey Websdale North Riding FA
Danielle Whitworth West Riding FA
Rikki Woolford Hertfordshire FA

Promotion to Step 2 Assistant Referee (9)
Leigh Ballinger Essex FA
Thomas Burns Bedfordshire FA
Duncan Carratt Sheffield & Hallamshire FA
Joshua Cliffe * Cheshire FA
Niall Eaves Lancashire FA
David Johnston * Army FA
Abdul Kadir Northamptonshire FA
Tom Lathey * Berks & Bucks FA
Daniel Smith Amateur Football Alliance FA
*3 Officials promoted through the 4B exceptional performance criteria

Promotion to Step 5/6 Referee & Step 3/4 Assistant Referee (165)
Dylan Adams Derbyshire FA
Samuel Akande Essex FA
Fidelis Akanga Hampshire FA
Laurence Alecock Cambridgeshire FA
Thomas Alexander Norfolk FA
Deivydas Andriuskevicius Norfolk FA
Reece Astle Derbyshire FA
James Atkinson Lancashire FA
Charlie Balcombe Jersey FA
Christopher Barley North Riding FA
Tom Barney Sheffield & Hallamshire FA
Marcus Baxter Bedfordshire FA
Mark Benton North Riding FA
Nazarij Bilanovszkij Essex FA
Dillon Bloomfield Northumberland FA
Cian Bolton Devon FA
Ashley Boon Staffordshire FA
Dan Boulden Essex FA
Anthony Brewerton Wiltshire FA
Liam Campkin Birmingham FA
David Carr Northumberland FA
Francesca Catchpole Norfolk FA
Louie Chaisty Berks & Bucks FA
Rohan Chotai Middlesex FA
Nikola Christov London FA
Michael Clark Norfolk FA
Reuben Clayton Oxfordshire FA
Ben Cole Worcestershire FA
Ryan Collier Dorset FA
Mikey Connor Liverpool FA
Lewis Cook Gloucestershire FA
Ashley Cooper Lincolnshire FA
Andrew Corcoran Berks & Bucks FA
Dylan Costello Lancashire FA
Oscar Cotton Sussex FA
Maximus Court Birmingham FA
Robert Cowen Northumberland FA
David Critchlow Staffordshire FA
Tom Cusworth Birmingham FA
Benjamin Darken Cambridgeshire FA
Timothy Darnes Sheffield & Hallamshire FA
Maurice Davies Army FA
Gareth Davies Royal Navy FA
Jeff Davis Kent FA
Jason Dawson Hertfordshire FA
Richard Diggle Hampshire FA
Tyler Diminieux Kent FA
Chris Dixon Derbyshire FA
Andrew Dorning Hampshire FA
Martin Dunn Durham FA
James Durham Norfolk FA
Maged Elsadek Guernsey FA
Jacob Emanuel Hertfordshire FA
Aaron Etti Suffolk FA
Daniel Eziukwu Dorset FA
Yuen Fai Lam Birmingham FA
Haim Fitterman West Riding FA
Kieran Fitzpatrick Berks & Bucks FA
Tommy Fleming Essex FA
Martin Flynn Manchester FA
Steven Fogden Sussex FA
Harry Foster-Boyd Durham FA
Eros Frangiamore Surrey FA
Jaden Garcia Liverpool FA
Leigh Gell Manchester FA
Paul Gibbons Dorset FA
Marco Goumal London FA
Kendrick Green Birmingham FA
Jack Griffiths Staffordshire FA
Benjamin Gudger Worcestershire FA
George Guilfoyle North Riding FA
Horace Gumba Oxfordshire FA
Finlay Hamilton Dorset FA
Kieron Hawthorn Northamptonshire FA
Gavin Hill Leicestershire & Rutland FA
Kwame Hinson Army FA
Alexander Hollis Sussex FA
Samuel Holloway Army FA
Imogen Hooper Berks & Bucks FA
Nima Hosseinali Middlesex FA
Brett Hovey Nottinghamshire FA
Thomas Hoyland North Riding FA
Daniel Hughes Somerset FA
Elliot Hunt Sheffield & Hallamshire FA
Michal Jasinski Cheshire FA
Lois Jefferies Birmingham FA
Ryan Jones Berks & Bucks FA
Oliver Jones Somerset FA
Ryan Joys Sheffield & Hallamshire FA
Ella Karkoska Suffolk FA
James Kay Sheffield & Hallamshire FA
Amine Khaldi Kent FA
Daniel Killick Surrey FA
Sebastian Lally London FA
Ellis Lander Essex FA
Daniel Leaver Somerset FA
Kieran Longstaff East Riding FA
Aleksandar Lukic-Scott West Riding FA
Daniel Maguire Durham FA
Joey Malone Shropshire FA
Craig Marchant Royal Navy FA
Robbie Maris London FA
Brett Markell Sheffield & Hallamshire FA
Lewis Mason Lancashire FA
David Masters Berks & Bucks FA
Conor McQuillian Gloucestershire FA
Conor McQuillian Royal Navy FA
Furqan Miah Bedfordshire FA
Thomas Milburn Cornwall FA
Dan Nettleton Cheshire FA
Leigh Newby Kent FA
James Newsham Lancashire FA
William Owen Westmorland FA
Stuart Parker Worcestershire FA
Christopher Perkins Suffolk FA
Albert Pitts Durham FA
Lola Pollard Oxfordshire FA
Mungo Prior Essex FA
Matt Purcell Manchester FA
Yiannis Revenikiotis Sheffield & Hallamshire FA
Joe Richards Liverpool FA
Michael Richards Somerset FA
Chad Roberts Birmingham FA
Matthew Roberts Sheffield & Hallamshire FA
Calin Rogojan Suffolk FA
Sam Rose Middlesex FA
Kyle Rowlands Shropshire FA
James Royffe RAF FA
Ian Ryder Liverpool FA
Euan Sadler North Riding FA
James Salt Somerset FA
Jake Sands Lancashire FA
Thomas Sansom Kent FA
Harry Searby East Riding FA
Josh Severn West Riding FA
Mohammed Shahib Shohel Middlesex FA
Kieran Shaw Nottinghamshire FA
Chris Skilton Kent FA
Ben Soll Hertfordshire FA
Max Solovev Kent FA
Joseph Spittle Birmingham FA
David Stappleton Sussex FA
Darren Stock Kent FA
Thomas Strawbridge Guernsey FA
Luke Thomas London FA
James Thompson Oxfordshire FA
Oscar Tinsley Cheshire FA
Matt Topp Berks & Bucks FA
Alex Vacher Gloucestershire FA
Harry Vaux West Riding FA
Oliver Walby Somerset FA
Hadley Warhurst Manchester FA
Mark Watkins Northamptonshire FA
Daniel Wells Hampshire FA
Oliver Westgate Sussex FA
Nigel Whitfield Dorset FA
Joshua Whittall Berks & Bucks FA
Robert Willcocks Essex FA
James Wilson Herefordshire FA
James Wilson RAF FA
Joe Wink-Simmonds West Riding FA
Justin Wiseman Essex FA
Bailey Wood Berks & Bucks FA
Harry Wright Devon FA
William Wright Hampshire FA

Congratulations to all on the list at all the levels. I'm sure all of the promotions are well deserved and best of luck to everyone at their new levels!

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General Discussion / Re: Promotions 2024
« on: Fri 17 Jan 2025 14:42 »
Mid-season Promotions - January 2025

Promotion to National Group Referees (4)
Searle Isaac Kent FA
Smith Niall Staffordshire FA
Wager Harry Kent FA
Watson Dean Lancashire FA


Promotion to National Group of Assistant Referees (9)
Blogg Nick Sussex FA
Bragg Samuel West Riding FA
Chaplin Isabel SuƯolk FA
Dutton Tyler Durham FA
Larkin Joseph Birmingham FA
Lowe Grace Nottinghamshire FA
O'Regan Declan West Riding FA
Scaife Brandon Staffordshire FA
Voloshchuk Anastasiya London FA

Promotion to Step 2 Referee (9)

Briers Will Sussex FA
Cunningham Zachary Northamptonshire FA
Dann-Pye Joseph Kent FA
Mcdonald Benjamin Kent FA
Morgan Kai Hampshire FA
Ouchene Said Somerset FA
Sangowawa Tolu Essex FA
Smith Liam North Riding FA
Smith Lewis Birmingham FA

Promotion to Step 3/4 Referee & Step 2 Assistant Referee (33)

Anastasiou Demetri Amateur Football Alliance FA
Atkinson James Lancashire FA
Baker Richard Essex FA
Blakey Isaac Berks & Bucks FA
Boubrahmi Adam Manchester FA
Burton Jake Cheshire FA
Carlisle Toby London FA
Cartwright Thomas Hertfordshire FA
Chandwani Manny Berks & Bucks FA
Cowens Elliot Northumberland FA
D'arcy Nigel Cornwall FA
Donnelly William London FA
Eagles Tim Lincolnshire FA
Ellis Daniel Worcestershire FA
Farlow Tom Hampshire FA
Finch-Critchley Alfred Middlesex FA
Greatorex Chad Hertfordshire FA
Hind Joesph Lancashire FA
Hodson Chris Derbyshire FA
Jackson Dominic West Riding FA
Jolliffe Patrick Surrey FA
Lam Jonathan Bedfordshire FA
Moreton Owen Birmingham FA
Murray Ethan Lancashire FA
Pealing Rob Nottinghamshire FA
Tanase Catalin Hampshire FA
Tilmouth Joel Northumberland FA
Vincent Nick Northumberland FA
Wilson Dale Lancashire FA
Wootten Billy Sussex FA
Wormleighton Nathanael Gloucestershire FA
Wroe Ashton Manchester FA
Yellen Harry Surrey FA

Promotion to Step 2 Assistant Referee (3)

Bramall Joshua Sheffield & Hallamshire FA
Crossley Andrew Essex FA
Smith Ryan Essex FA

Promotion to Step 5/6 Referee & Step 3/4 Assistant Referee (95)
Abdullahi Feiruz Manchester FA
Ahmed Saeed Staffordshire FA
Ali Pshtiwan Gloucestershire FA
Andrews Toby Essex FA
Bailey Dylan Sussex FA
Barrack Daniel Suffolk FA
Bates Ewan Birmingham FA
Batten Kevin Hampshire FA
Batty David Durham FA
Beattie Darren North Riding FA
Bell Samuel Suffolk FA
Biddlecombe James Wiltshire FA
Bielby George Oxfordshire FA
Bowdery Christopher Kent FA
Buckley Dillon
Cheshire FA
Bunn Alex Devon FA
Cadden Alex Gloucestershire FA
Campbell Robbie Amateur Football Alliance
Chanot Oliver Worcestershire FA
Clark Jack Gloucestershire FA
Clark Harrison Kent FA
Clarke Matt Manchester FA
Cogdell Jamie Sussex FA
Collier Joseph Lancashire FA
Craker Sam London FA
Cuff Robert Shropshire FA
Davidson Scott Dorset FA
Davis Gareth Army FA
Dawson Liam Essex FA
Denikiewicz Andrew Army FA
Dewane James Berks & Bucks FA
Diamond Ashley Essex FA
Dutton Freddie Bedfordshire FA
Endrodi Elliot North Riding FA
Evans David Oxfordshire FA
Filipiak Grzegorz Shropshire FA
Flanagan Tom London FA
Ford Finn Lincolnshire FA
Frape Benjamin Surrey FA
Gadaleta Skander West Riding FA
George Nathan Sussex FA
Gibson Jamie Army FA
Gilbert Steven Dorset FA
Gordon Alex Kent FA
Groves George Manchester FA
Gunarathna Maha Vidanage Amith Devon FA
Hall Jerahl London FA
Hamilton Oliver Manchester FA
Hargreaves Jack Lancashire FA
Hart Joshua Durham FA
Hawkins Dan Hertfordshire FA
Hayes Callum Lancashire FA
Headley Dale Leicestershire & Rutland FA
Higgott Ben Northumberland FA
Hilton Mark Derbyshire FA
Hines Jonathan Nottinghamshire FA
Hooper Christopher Cheshire FA
Humphreys Oliver Cambridgeshire FA
Karayaka Bedri London FA
Lofgren David Amateur Football Alliance
Lucas Jack Lancashire FA
Marriott Nick Northamptonshire FA
Marsh Jon Army FA
Matthews Alex Wiltshire FA
McGibbon Ronnie London FA
Musgrave Leigh Cumberland FA
Nunn Jacob Huntingdonshire FA
Parkinson Christopher Essex FA
Parrin Nathan Berks & Bucks FA
Rajwani Hassan Hampshire FA
Reed Thomas Kent FA
Rees James Army FA
Reeves Oliver Shropshire FA
Rice Gavin Nottinghamshire FA
Richards Benjamin Oxfordshire FA
Rolfe Mitchell Essex FA
Salloway George RAF FA
Sanha Edgar Worcestershire FA
Saxton Henry Kent FA
Scholes Kieran Oxfordshire FA
Seckington Ralph Northamptonshire FA
Sellars David Cornwall FA
Sharples Paul Devon FA
Slater Gary Derbyshire FA
Slater Robert RAF FA
Sly Andrew Hampshire FA Stephenson
Paul Cumberland FA
Stewart Rhys Hertfordshire FA
Taylor Robert Somerset FA
Thompson Richard Derbyshire FA
Wahbi Khalid Cheshire FA
Walker Ethan Staffordshire FA
Webber Reagan Durham FA
Westmacott Michael Birmingham FA
Woolf Yaron Essex FA

Apologies for any spelling/formatting errors but it's a quick copy/paste job on my break.

Many congratulations to everyone on the list!

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General Discussion / Re: Liverpool v Wolves - Chris Kavanagh
« on: Sun 19 May 2024 16:43 »
I disagree that this is VAR inconsistency, even as a Wolves fan that's a very poor tackle.

Semedo comes in with high force, straight leg and goes studs to high ankle, Kavanagh and team will be very disappointed to have required a second look.

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General Discussion / Re: Promotions 2023
« on: Mon 22 Jan 2024 14:05 »
Congratulations to the following. Step 2 to Step 1 will be announced later this week according to the FA.

Step 3/4 to Step 2 (Level 3A to Level 2B) - Referee (9)

Surname First Name County FA
Allsopp Jake Birmingham FA
Baines Daniel Essex FA
Blair Harrison Surrey FA
Breen Tommy London FA
Chadwick Jonathan Lancashire FA
England Dan Huntingdonshire FA
Holmes Richard Lancashire FA
Jones Callum Liverpool FA
Oakes Nathan Essex FA

Step 5/6 to Step 3/4 Referee & Step 3/4 to Step 2 Assistant Referee (Level 4 to Level 3) (32)

Surname First Name County FA
Aguilar Cabanes Pablo Sussex FA
Barclay Shawn Surrey FA
Berry Thomas Surrey FA
Bingley Thomas Leicestershire & Rutland FA
Bromham Jack Somerset FA
Churchill Jack Manchester FA
Coulson Ryan East Riding FA
Crowhurst Scott Army FA
Cunningham Zachary Northamptonshire FA
Cutler Simon Kent FA
Drake Joshua Sheffield & Hallamshire FA
Dutton Tyler Durham FA
Eyre Josh Cornwall FA
Farr Thomas Hampshire FA
Fittes David Durham FA
Francioni Alessandro Bedfordshire FA
Gray Joseph Essex FA
Lane Neil Devon FA
Lowe Grace Nottinghamshire FA
Moss Matthew Lancashire FA
Olol Abdul London FA
Pattison Michael Worcestershire FA
Reece Nick Hertfordshire FA
Reilly Mark Shropshire FA
Scott Gavin Sheffield & Hallamshire FA
Stevenson Jamie Northamptonshire FA
Tingey Marcus Berks & Bucks FA
Viera Jacob Liverpool FA
White Liam Hampshire FA
Wood Craig Essex FA
Woodyatt Daniel Manchester FA
Wyatt Declan Surrey FA

Level 5 to Step 5/6 Referee & Step 3/4 Assistant Referee (Level 5 to Level 4) (25)

Surname First Name County FA
Corrie George Liverpool FA
Dermody Michael Manchester FA
Douglas Ellis West Riding FA
Durie Richard Gloucestershire FA
Fabry Luke Army FA
Gierczyk Jakub Northamptonshire FA
Gray Levi Army FA
Hayes Kaan Manchester FA
Hodson Christopher Derbyshire FA
Jackson Doninic West Riding FA
Johnston David Army FA
Kidd Thomas Birmingham FA
Lam Jonathan Bedfordshire FA
McGuinness James Sheffield & Hallamshire FA
Park Andrew Lincolnshire FA
Pratten Mark Gloucestershire FA
Redman Steve Somerset FA
Rees Luke Gloucestershire FA
Rendell Matt Hertfordshire FA
Saunders Stephen Berks & Bucks FA
Smith Kane Cheshire FA
Soulsby Kian Birmingham FA
Wilmot Samuel Gloucestershire FA
Wroe Gary Army FA
Yordanov Ivan Middlesex FA

Step 2 Assistant Referee to Step 1 Assistant Referee (11)

Surname First Name County FA
Burrows Michael Durham FA
Hallam Aaron Sheffield & Hallamshire FA
Henry Scott Cumberland FA
Holmes David North Riding FA
Hooper James Gloucestershire FA
Malton Matthew Manchester FA
Mayer Elliott Amateur Football Alliance FA
Nield Jack Cheshire FA
Shipp Alexander Suffolk FA
Tewson James Nottinghamshire FA
Wilson Adam Gloucestershire FA

Specialist Route - Step 3/4 to Step 2 Assistant Referee (Level 4SAR to Level 3F) (4)

Surname First Name
Barron Karl Durham FA
Birch Jack Cambridgeshire FA
Fullicks Richard Northamptonshire FA
Greaves Gordon West Riding FA

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In law the player in an offside position doesn't do anything wrong, they don't interfere with play (no touch on the ball), an opponent (no challenge, or obvious action) or gain an advantage (no touch on the deflected pass).

I would say they'd gained an advantage if they received the ball as the defender made a non-deliberate play under the new guidelines, but they don't and Morata was onside at the initial pass so that doesn't matter.

I do agree that this doesn't feel right, but it's an issue with the way the law is worded and I don't necessarily know if there's an easy solution aside from more tinkering or more guidance (which there is at the elite level to do with proximity, but this instance doesn't fit that).

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General Discussion / Re: Promotions 2023
« on: Tue 30 May 2023 17:38 »
Congratulations to all of those promoted. Surprised to see Ben Atkinson's name on there as he only got 2A mid season and didn't have an EFL 'trial' game. Similarly Jacob Miles promoted without an EFL apprearance in 2022/23.

As for Lewis Smith, surely he must be classed as having been promoted mid season? 7 League 2, 5 League 1 and 1 Championship game this season! Unless, of course, he may go straight to SG2? Atkinson started as 2B and jumped twice this season, why can't Smith jump straight from 2A to SG2?

I think that all refs on the dev groups will actually sit outside the traditional promotion pathway now. Emily Heaslip was not on the 3-2b list yet did the Isthmian Premier final which is usually indicative of a high place in the merit table. Some of the 2bs including Reubyn Ricardo and Farai Hallam who both had football league games also weren’t on the 2b-2a list and obviously Lewis Smith on the Championship but not on the National Group is pretty indicative that maybe the levels aren’t the be all and end all now.

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General Discussion / Re: Promotions 2023
« on: Thu 11 May 2023 19:31 »
Level 4 nominations have also been announced for Kent.

The FA have said that they expect reclassifications to be published week of 22nd May, this is through our regional representative.

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General Discussion / Re: A SOARES DIAS: RMA V MCI
« on: Tue 09 May 2023 22:11 »
It wasn't good but I think everyone's getting a bit over-dramatic about the performance.

The Bernardo tackle is not SFP in modern UEFA. There's no force in the challenge, it will likely be a missed yellow but not going to be a missed red. The question of whether it should be a red isn't one you can direct at Soares Dias.

There wasn't a wrong KMD, and in fact some very well judged no penalty decisions when Madrid players were losing the plot about what is a punishable handball.

Did he negatively affect the match? Not really. Did he positively affect the match? Not really. It was a weak performance for an Elite UEFA referee but not a disaster.

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General Discussion / Re: Simon Hooper - Man City v Liverpool
« on: Mon 03 Apr 2023 11:07 »
Not seen the highlights (we looked awful) and I know in law it’s definitely a goal.

Anyone else think the Man City goal should be called offside, (Yes I know I’m law it’s a goal) I think the law should be amended, De Bruyne is clearly onside but from the pass he receives before scoring. However, he is only in that position having because he was offside from the pass before.

He doesn’t interfere but he gains an advantage?

Rodri is a serial offender but I think a second YC would have been harsh. Poor behaviour from our players to surround the utterly surprised Hooper.
In my opinion no-one really knows what the purpose of the offside law, and indeed the handball law is there for, and that is down to IFAB who seem more  concerned with trivial detail than of stating the fundamental purpose of the law.  For offside that could read something like "The purpose of the law is to prevent teams from gaining an advantage by having a player, or players in an offside position.  This should be the primary consideration of match officials in judging offside decisions.  Some examples of factors that should be considered in coming to these decisions are as follows.   ......"

City had a free kick  just outside the penalty area on Saturday and Liverpool had a wall of four standing players and one lying down behind them.  Had City had, say Gungodan standing on the corner of the six yard box at the far post and Alvarez standing at the corner of the six yard box at the near post (both in offside positions ( but neither at the point the kick was played interfering with play or opponent) then Mahrez could played the ball wide towards the touchline for De Bruyne (in an onside position) to run onto; once De Bruyne and the ball were further forward than Gungodan and Alvarez then De Bruyne would have two targets, now onside, at at the near and far post, to aim for.  The four standing players in the Liverpool wall would be somewhat impeded from getting back to cover by their own player lying down behind them.  So City would have had a clear advantage from the positioning of Gungodan and Alvarez but it wouldn't have contravened the present law.  I look forward to seeing this put into practice next time we play United.

Is the issue there not that Liverpool would've impeded their own players by a player lying on the floor as opposed to the offside players who can't do anything to influence the game until they are literally made onside by the ball passing them? To what extent would players who are in an offside position have to act to make themselves eligible to receive the ball again? Would we return to the days of negative offside traps preventing any attacking passes when a single player hasn't been able to return from an offside position?

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In Arsenals game against Sporting Gabi Martinelli got booked for a foul on the Sporting keeper, then VAR looked at it for mistaken identity, I didn’t think VAR looked at yellows or is it different in UEFA competitions

VAR does not intervene for yellow cards unless the wrong player is cautioned as this is one of IFAB's reviewable situations. It can also intervene for mistaken identity on red cards, but the whole process of the red card is reviewed regardless.

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General Discussion / Re: D MAKELLIE: CHE V BVB
« on: Thu 09 Mar 2023 12:16 »
Dale Johnson has queried if VAR should have intervened over encroachment - https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1633219953233887232

Is Johnson right with what he says about VAR protocol (I've tried to look it up but not managed to find wording so far) and if so what are people's thoughts on if it applies to this incident?

I was reminded that if an attacking player who had encroached scored a rebound but a defender also encroached then the penalty would also be retaken after VAR intervention rather than an indirect free kick given, which I'm not fully convinced is the fairest approach.

I strongly, strongly disagree with the suggestion that we should ban penalty rebounds altogether!

If Dale Johnson is correct (and the Dortmund defender did not impact a Chelsea attacker from playing the ball) then would Dortmund have grounds to appeal the VAR decision and have the game replayed form that point? UEFA have previously set a precedent with the England U-19 women's team where they replayed a game following the wrong refereeing decision following a missed penalty.

No there is no remit for replaying the game after an incorrect VAR intervention. In section four of the VAR procedures it says

In principle, a match is not invalidated because of: ... review(s) of a non-reviewable situation/decision

The previous replays surrounding penalties have been for a absolute objective wrong application of law, e.g. a scored penalty with encroachment from attacking team seeing an indirect free kick given rather than a retake. This is at worse a review of a non-reviewable situation so there are no grounds for this, as there has been no incorrect law application as once reviewed the correct restart and such took place.

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General Discussion / Re: Promotions 2022
« on: Thu 26 Jan 2023 13:01 »
Most interesting; thank you for posting it.  Could someone please explain how being in the Development Group differs from not being in it. I notice that there are officials at different levels in the Group. Does it mean that they receive special coaching, a different form of Observation, more likely to receive trial matches in a level above their present one ? These are just surmises on my part, if anyone can say definitively then I would be grateful.

What happened to the Talent Group ? Is the Development Group something similar under a different name ? If so it's a far better name.  My place of work once threatened to bring in 'Talent Groups' which led some of us to say that if you weren't in it then you must be in the 'Talentless Group'. The idea was quickly scotched.

The officials are either 2b upwards or 1Ws for the Ref DG and Step 1 ARs upwards or WSL ARs for the AR Dev Group. I think all of the referees are on part-time contracts to basically make officiating a job rather than 'just a hobby', they also have coaches assigned (although all from 2b up do now anyway, but these coaches I believe focus on the Dev Group) and they are more likely to receive trial matches above their present level as part of almost fast-tracking their development. As people have noted, Farai, Ruebyn and Stephen Parkinson have all received National League appointments, Lewis Smith on the Football League, Rebecca Welch on the Championship.

The assistants are not part-time employees but get an annual retainer so that they can train more and again, specialist coaching and likelihood to receive those higher level appointments, Akil Howson and Bhupsy Gill have both had Premier League appointments this year and are part of the group.

The general idea was to identify referees who would be select group referees/assistants in the near future. I believe the next 3/4/5 years was the aim, hence inclusion of some like James Bell who is SG2, as well as those at 2b who may advance quickly through the ranks.

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To those who worried that 10 was too many officials to appoint to a single game. FIFA have appointed one more on top of the referee, two assistants, a fourth, a reserve assistant, a video assistant, an assistant video assistant, an offside video assistant, a support video assistant and a stand by assistant video assistant.

The remaining eight games will now have a stand by video assistant referee who is at the stadium and will take over VAR duties if there is a communications problem between the ground and the referees' hub, so that the fourth official does not have to do this and the reserve assistant doesn't have to become the fourth official.

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General Discussion / Re: Women referees at Qatar WC
« on: Tue 29 Nov 2022 12:11 »
If some referees were intended only as support officials then I think this should have been made clear pre-tournament. I think from the way it was presented the general presumption was that all 36 referees should be expected to referee at least one game. There were certainly questions asked of Collina about the female referees refereeing a game in the press conference and I think it will look pretty bad if not a single one of them referees a game.

It seems to have been a recent shift to not announcing who will be support referees at FIFA tournaments, they previously did, for example they announced the referee and assistant pair who would be a support from a confederation for 2014. 2018 seemed to be much more subtle, not declaring support officials, but generally referees announced without two ARs in their trio (Jair Marrufo the lone exception) not reffing games.

I suspected from the announcement when I saw two french refs (Turpin and Frappart) and only two french ARs that this might be the case and that they hid this in the announcement to avoid scrutiny. There is an outside chance in one of the eight games without a referee appointed yet we see Frappart as unlike Yamashita and Mukansanga she has received far fewer fourth official appointments and so may be being 'held back' so to speak in case an opportunity (which for FIFA is probably a game with absolutely nothing riding on it) arises.

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