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Law is an ass. What if the defender was already on a yellow card? For having his hand by his side he gets red! What could he do? The law needs reconsidering.

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Andy Davies agrees with the decision too. Before we start slating people like Dermott Gallagher who deserves respect, we should be sure of the facts, the LOTG and relevant guidance.

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Andy Davies on ESPN who appears to have replaced Dale Johnson believes that it was a correct intervention by VAR. Davies was a premier league official and apparently worked on var.

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Sadly the Sunday Times describes the penalty incident in rather uncomplementary terms emphasising the comments of the City manager. Farcical was the word used to describe events which is perhaps arguable given the time it took to reach a final decision, I.e. stick with the on field decision. Hallam was a professional player, was his view influenced by his background?

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Darren Cann agreed that it was never a penalty. Looks like a fair call, referee's call.

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There were others and the inference that all ex pros felt it was a red card is clearly wrong. Gary Lineker disagreed with Alan Shearer for example. Howard Webb has explained the reasoning and we have to accept it, like it or not, and hope it is applied consistently but it is a grey area and there will be some incidents that fall just one side of the line or the other. Sadly ex Pros are still unsure of the Laws and the relevant guidelines.

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Michael Owen thought yellow card and it is inaccurate to say all ex pros thought it red. Last night on match officials mic'd up Webb persuasively argued that the referee's call was correct. The United player made a genuine attempt to play the ball and actually made contact. The follow through was from an almost stationary position and therefore without excessive force. Full speed replays support this. In fact I am not sure if I would use the word reckless in the strictest sense. A misjudgement yes, a painful outcome but hardly violent. Yellow yes and for clear reasons.
I felt Taylor's response when VAR supported his call was amusing. A little stuffy, irritated perhaps as if to say how could you question my decision? It suggests that it would take a strong VAR to challenge an onfield decision taken by Taylor!

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General Discussion / Re: New possible laws - bbc vid
« on: Tue 20 Jan 2026 19:13 »
There are discussions about goalkeepers going down with feigned injuries.
I would like to see moving an injured player classified as VC or whatever. A red card, 4 match ban.
No doubt there will be judges but we will see.

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Webb has said that the referee got the Dalot incident correct. Too much has been made of the slow motion replays. Much as Dale Johnson suggested.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cp3741nlep5o

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Dale Johnson sits on the fence but he presents 2 different opposing views. In Europe Dalot would get a red card and Taylor would be expected to give it. The challenge is high, on the knee and with some force. However looking at it in slow motion doesn't help and you should look at it in full speed.
Johnson points out that most pundits, ex footballers, feel it was a red card. However, PGMOL would be happy with the yellow card given noting in the article that the Premier League want a fast physical game which makes it so popular. IMHO, money earner. Johnson also comments that what was said by Taylor would influence the TMO.  If he said something like "I have seen it, catches his knee but is not excessive force", where does that leave the TMO?
Then he compares it with a challenge last season in Chelsea's game against Tottenham last April feeling it was worthy of comparison. Sarr had committed a foul on Caicedo, making clear contact with his studs around the knee of the Chelsea midfielder. Pawson the referee, Gillett VAR. Webb later said on his programme that he was happy with yellow. Red on field, Gillett as VAR persuaded Pawson it wasn't red.
Pawson was VAR on Saturday and no doubt recalled the Chelsea incident!

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Thread already started! Answer there.

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Can we set up a petition to get rid of Chris Sutton?
I am of course referring to Everton's disallowed goal. He clearly doesn't understand the LOTG which the referee's have to apply. Unlucky as I believe Armstrong may well have had little impact but he did deliberately make a play for the ball from an offside position. Darren Cann agrees with me  100%. However Sutton's comments make it difficult for referees, increasing the pressure on them and pours further fuel on the flames of dissent towards VAR.

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Club chat / Re: Crystal Palace
« on: Sun 18 Jan 2026 17:36 »
I think one consequence is that if you invest several tens of millions in a club, you have to pay other clubs a share of that investment! Not sure if this applies next year but I put the Times down after reading that.

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Club chat / Re: Crystal Palace
« on: Sun 18 Jan 2026 17:17 »
I have some sympathy with the manager although we may not have the full facts let alone the reasoning behind the Board's decision.
However, Martyn Samuel makes an interesting point quoting Steve Parish who said that FFP rules and possible investment in the club and therefore players is severely limited. These rules benefit the big clubs who are quite happy to maintain the status quo and the smaller clubs have to manage as best they can.
This is why I am increasingly disillusioned by the Premier League, the lack of competition and indeed England qualified players plus the financial rules.
So we shouldn't berate the owner without hearing his side too. Frustrating for Palace fans.

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Excessive force or lack of, is probably the reason why a RC was not produced. It looks to me like a rake down the knee and the player wasn't diving in.
I hope Taylor, well into his excellent career doesn't start going on his own in terms of RCs. I am still disappointed that he didn't issue red for a player dragging an injured player across the pitch (Arsenal vs Liverpool). There still seems a reluctance to send players off because interested parties don't want it. Mind you, Sheffield United today may differ. Good old fashioned reds.

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