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General Discussion / Re: Newcastle v Tottenham - Thomas Bramall (VAR Paul Tierney)
« on: Wed 03 Dec 2025 23:07 »
Quote from: tef on Wed 03 Dec 2025 09:22
Quote from: Chris G?ld?r on Tue 02 Dec 2025 22:21
Quote from: tef on Tue 02 Dec 2025 22:13
I’m fairly satisfied with the intervention purely because the  Tottenham player had no focus on the ball (or general play) and was looking at Burn throughout.

Didn't realise there was a law for awarding penalties for "not watching the ball".

Absolutely dreadful review as seems to be the general opinion in most places I have looked.

It's not explicitly written that was in the law, but is a consideration for the holding offence. I refer you to this link, specifically "Holding while focusing solely on the opponent and paying no attention to challenging for the ball is usually an offence."  https://www.premierleague.com/en/news/4079609. Blame the guidelines if you want, but I'm not sure Tierney and Bramall can be heavily criticized for abiding by then.

Thank you for referring me to a link which absolutely confirms what I said - there is no law about being penalised for not looking at the ball. Even in the guidelines you have stated about not looking at the ball in isolation is not what is considered. I refer you to the actual wording "Players who only focus on an opponent and pay no attention to challenging for the ball AND have a material impact, should be penalised. The key word here is AND having a material impact. Having Dan Burn fall on top of you after normal non material contact simply does not constitute a penalty and when Howard Webb does his next match officials mic'd up I would expect if this clip is included he will admit this was an error to overturn.

Even if you believe this COULD have been a penalty, I would still insist that it in no way meets the "clear and obvious" criteria which we have been told is being applied this season for a VAR intervention.

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General Discussion / Re: Newcastle v Tottenham - Thomas Bramall (VAR Paul Tierney)
« on: Tue 02 Dec 2025 22:21 »
Quote from: tef on Tue 02 Dec 2025 22:13
I’m fairly satisfied with the intervention purely because the  Tottenham player had no focus on the ball (or general play) and was looking at Burn throughout.

Didn't realise there was a law for awarding penalties for "not watching the ball".

Absolutely dreadful review as seems to be the general opinion in most places I have looked.

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General Discussion / Re: Sam Barrott - Everton v West Ham
« on: Tue 30 Sep 2025 19:49 »
Quote from: Lionator27 on Tue 30 Sep 2025 14:00
I think Dewsbury-Hall’s issue is that the last three have been unlucky. Against Wolves he was booked for a foul where the player dived, against Liverpool it was that quickly taken free kick dissent situation and then last night. I’m a Leicester fan so I’ve seen him a lot, this is not a dirty player and certainly not one to show much dissent on the field. It’s just one of those things that he’ll have grow up over but I understand his frustration.

Unfortunately it seems that you're frowned down upon on this forum for holding that opinion. Players are naughty boys that must be constantly "put in their place" by the always correct officials and not allowed to get frustrated by their poor decision making.

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General Discussion / Re: Jarred Gillett - Newcastle vs. Arsenal
« on: Sun 28 Sep 2025 17:19 »
I think the penalty will be a really interesting one where I think you probably need to hear the dialogue between the officials.

Whilst many don't think it was clear enough for a VAR intervention, for me it centres around whether Gillett thought Pope had touched the ball. If Gillett said to VAR he didn't see Pope touch the ball and therefore gave the penalty, then for me there is evidence that Gillett for whatever reason had not seen the whole event correctly in its entirety and there was material evidence which had been unseen on the field that would potentially cause him to change his decision and therefore correctly sent him to the screen.

If Gillett saw the touch on the field then I find it a much harder one to understand why VAR would intervene as this would essentially be "re-refereeing" the incident.

A good one for Webb's next show I think.

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General Discussion / Re: Sam Barrott - Sunderland v Aston Villa
« on: Sun 21 Sep 2025 17:22 »
Quote from: TA_Ref on Sun 21 Sep 2025 15:26
Right, question. Can you stop a corner from being taken and then book a player for holding? Cause Barrott stopped the corner from happening just as it’s being taken and then cautions Maatsen for I presume holding. Is it simply a case of the ball is not in play? Surely a word…

Nonsense for me. Let the corner come in and give a penalty. Why should Sunderland be disadvantaged when a foul has taken place from the referee trying to "manage the game"? All clubs were told at the start of the season that holding in the box would be a focus for this season. If you are stupid enough to do it then they should be punished properly and have a penalty against them.

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General Discussion / Re: P BANKES - Man U v Chelsea
« on: Sat 20 Sep 2025 20:19 »
Quote from: TA_Ref on Sat 20 Sep 2025 20:05
Quote from: Chris G?ld?r on Sat 20 Sep 2025 19:46
Edited .

I can sort of agree about the Chelsea player waving an imaginary card but Bankes’ focus was quite rightly on Casemiro’s challenge and whether it was SPA. He correctly ruled it to be a foul and SPA.

Your comment about ‘desperate to send him off’ is totally off the mark. And why did you bring consistency into it when the two things you mention are vastly different?

I brought consistency into it because that is what we all want - and booking a player for waving an imaginary card is one of the easiest things to be consistent on across all games in the season. Banks will have booked players for this in other games as will other referee's but tonight he chose not to consistently enforce this. Personally, I find it very confusing why someone would be unsure what that is to do with consistency?

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General Discussion / Re: P BANKES - Man U v Chelsea
« on: Sat 20 Sep 2025 20:17 »
I support Watford.

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General Discussion / Re: Stephen Martin - Blackburn vs Ipswich
« on: Sat 20 Sep 2025 20:02 »
Quote from: TA_Ref on Sat 20 Sep 2025 17:01
Quote from: TA_Ref on Sat 20 Sep 2025 16:39
I have just seen a small clip of the game and to me, the pitch looks dangerous to me. So much water splashing up from challenges and the rain doesn’t look like it’s relenting at all. If it was earlier in the game, it may have been called off. Not excusing a quite terrible performance from my team.

Looking like game to be called off after suspended after 78 minutes.

Would this mean a full match replay?

The rule is when a match is called off after 75 minutes then the EFL can agree to let the result stand. Called off before the 75th minute then it is an automatic rematch.

Whether the EFL decide to enforce that or not is of course entirely within their discretion. Would feel very harsh on Blackburn if it were a full replay to be honest.

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General Discussion / Re: R JONES - Chelsea v Fulham
« on: Tue 02 Sep 2025 22:09 »
Howard Webb clearly has some seriously good PR. To be head of an organisation that is under-performing as much as it is, making as many high profile mistakes as it is, any other manager in other industries and those within football would be have been removed by now.

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General Discussion / Re: Leigh Doughty - Ipswich vs Derby
« on: Sat 30 Aug 2025 23:38 »
Quote from: nemesis on Sat 30 Aug 2025 21:49
Quote from: DerbyLad90 on Sat 30 Aug 2025 20:59
First time I’ve known a referee apologise for adding too much time on … but just empty words, might aswell not say anything

I'm sure he did neither. I dought Doughty apologised and he certainly did not add on too much time.

I have no wish to see him again any time soon and even less so to see Derby County again. I have never seen a team destroy a football match in the way they approached the entire second half. The game was broken up to the greatest extent possible with Derby players hitting the ground after every challenge.

At one point Derby were preparing to take a corner when manager Eustace beckoned his keeper over. Keeper sprinted across, had a quick word and ran back. A couple of minutes later the keeper went down clutching his ankle with an imaginary injury which required lengthy treatment and the customary grouping round the managers ensued. Countless miracle cures followed spells of treatment. Their medical team must be outstanding.

You couldn't fault the Derby players' commitment but their tactics were an affront to the sport. Seven yellow cards for them and it could/should have been more. One of Ipswich's two yellows was awarded for their centre-forward being fouled in the penalty area and the other seemed very soft unless it was for something he said.

I would also like to know who actually advised Doughty on the Derby penalty as Doughty had clearly signalled "no handball" and then some seconds later he pointed to the spot. The other three officials were, like me, not well placed to judge.

It's probably not his fault that the match developed as it did, but it's his job to control it. It's what he does for a living.

Whoever it was that advised him for the Derby penalty did an excellent job - it was stonewall.

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General Discussion / Re: R JONES - Chelsea v Fulham
« on: Sat 30 Aug 2025 13:05 »
I think it would have been harsh for Rob Jones to give it as a foul on the field.

For VAR to feel that met the threshold to overturn the decision is frankly astonishing imo.

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Select Group 2 / Re: Fri 22nd & Sat 23rd AUG 2025
« on: Tue 19 Aug 2025 13:14 »
Really disappointed as a Watford fan to see Stephen Martin appointed to our game. Nothing against him as a referee, but he oversaw our first match of the season at Charlton.

Are there really so few SG2 officials and are the powers that be really so unimaginative that we have had a repeated appointment already in the space of the first 3 fixtures. I mean come on!

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