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General Refereeing => General Discussion => Topic started by: Charlton2018 on Sun 18 Aug 2019 15:13
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Sky Sports reporting Graham Scott is stuck on the M40 which hasn't moved for hours and it looks like he won't make it in time to start the warm up. They said Oli Langford will take charge of his first premier league match. Don't know what people make of him but don't think he is a great referee when I have see him. Could be an interesting afternoon!!!!
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It's confirmed - Oli Langford will be taking charge of the game. I thought referees stayed in a hotel prior to a match and made their way to the stadium as a team, but clearly this is not the case.
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Exactly what I was thinking. He was on VAR last night so why not stay in London?
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Scott has arrived so why not delay the KO for 15 mins or so and get him to warm up!! Total unnecessary pressure on Langford now!
With 18 PL referees surely they could have had one from yesterday acting as 4th official. Absolute total shambles!
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It's a great opportunity for Langford, but also a lot of pressure. IMO, there should be SG1 referees as 4th officials for televised games, and a minimum of SG2 as 4th official for non-televised games. I know more officials are being used for VAR, but there should be enough for this to happen, rather than risk someone making their PL debut on TV at one of the big 6.
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I think I'll just watch the cricket and wait for the forum to implode :)
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Exactly what I was thinking. He was on VAR last night so why not stay in London?
If someone is at Stockley Park on Saturday night, you’d certainly think they should be able to get to Stamford Bridge for Sunday afternoon.
Kavanagh, Pawson and Hooper were all VAR at SP yesterday. Surely one of those could have been FO initially today?
Who is AVAR now? The same as earlier game? Mike Dean could be kept busy today. Hope Langford delays the whistle for close offsides and so on.
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Exactly what I was thinking. He was on VAR last night so why not stay in London?
If someone is at Stockley Park on Saturday night, you’d certainly think they should be able to get to Stamford Bridge for Sunday afternoon.
Kavanagh, Pawson and Hooper were all VAR at SP yesterday. Surely one of those could have been FO initially today?
Who is AVAR now? The same as earlier game? Mike Dean could be kept busy today. Hope Langford delays the whistle for close offsides and so on.
I would assume Robathan, as Graham Scott has now arrived at Stamford Bridge.
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A solid and competent first half performance in a very sterile (boring)game.
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Thought the officials travelled together to avoid this happening?
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Thought the officials travelled together to avoid this happening?
Do they not make their own way to a designated meeting point and then travel together from there?
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Thought the officials travelled together to avoid this happening?
Do they not make their own way to a designated meeting point and then travel together from there?
Yes they do. They meet at a particular hotel, however long before a game & then travel in a car provided by the PL from the hotel to the ground about 90 mins before the game & back to the hotel post match and then travel home separately from there. Obviously he was stuck in traffic on the way to the hotel & let whoever know that he was not going to make it and contingency plans were put in place. I expect he drove straight to the ground in this instance.
Good Luck Oli.
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It's confirmed - Oli Langford will be taking charge of the game. I thought referees stayed in a hotel prior to a match and made their way to the stadium as a team, but clearly this is not the case.
They only stay overnight at a hotel when the game is a certain distance away. Michael Oliver for example would stay at a hotel (well his in laws in his case but you get the point...) when appointed to Bournemouth/Southampton/Portsmouth as it is over the required distance. Andre Marriner though would travel from the midlands to those 3 on the day of the match as it is below the required distance. They meet at a local hotel prior to the game, the time seems to vary from anything between 9am & 12pm for a 3pm kick off - I assume there is a "latest meet time" but couldn't tell you what it is. They then travel in 1 vehicle as a team from the hotel 1.5-2hrs pre-kick off.
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It's confirmed - Oli Langford will be taking charge of the game. I thought referees stayed in a hotel prior to a match and made their way to the stadium as a team, but clearly this is not the case.
Graham Scott lives in oxford I believe. London is just down the m40 from him, so there is no need to stay at a hotel.
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I thought Langford did well, in what wasn't the most difficult match. He played a couple of nice advantages and got the yellow card spot on.
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Scott has arrived so why not delay the KO for 15 mins or so and get him to warm up!! Total unnecessary pressure on Langford now!
With 18 PL referees surely they could have had one from yesterday acting as 4th official. Absolute total shambles!
They won't delay kick off for one match official being missing as it causes too many problems. There's too big a knock on to travel plans for tens of thousands of supporters and the police wouldn't be supportive of it.
That's why there are four match officials, and also why at Football League and above they are not allowed to travel to the meeting point together even if they live next door to each other. The only reason it is a talking point now is it meant an SG1 referee getting his PL debut, but with so few SG1 officials and so many being needed for VAR there's not a lot they can do but to use SG2s as 4th official.
I've never been a massive fan of Langford in the past, he's always struck me as competent but nothing more than that and not stand out. There's something about his body language that doesn't portray confidence, and its almost as though he doesn't look like a referee. Credit where credit is due though, he was fine today and didn't get a lot wrong. Completely messed up an advantage having just played an excellent one, so they averaged each other out, and a few foul decisions that I didn't really agree with but nothing significant.
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I thought Langford displayed a competent performance. However, I found him somewhat reactive to the game’s tempo and to some counter-attacks.
I also understand that he was interviewed at the same time as Andy Madley and Peter Bankes for a place on Select Group 1.
All of this did make me think about last week’s appointments - with two National List newbies (Finnie and Purkiss) being appointed as Fourth Official on respective Championship matches, and if there had been similar issues as there were today...
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In fairness it is only a recent(ish) phenomena that referees are appointed as 4ths. Many a year it has been assistants at FL/Panel level and before that non FL contrib officials.
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It's confirmed - Oli Langford will be taking charge of the game. I thought referees stayed in a hotel prior to a match and made their way to the stadium as a team, but clearly this is not the case.
They only stay overnight at a hotel when the game is a certain distance away. Michael Oliver for example would stay at a hotel (well his in laws in his case but you get the point...) when appointed to Bournemouth/Southampton/Portsmouth as it is over the required distance. Andre Marriner though would travel from the midlands to those 3 on the day of the match as it is below the required distance. They meet at a local hotel prior to the game, the time seems to vary from anything between 9am & 12pm for a 3pm kick off - I assume there is a "latest meet time" but couldn't tell you what it is. They then travel in 1 vehicle as a team from the hotel 1.5-2hrs pre-kick off.
Out of interest, do you know if Bournemouth would have travelled up to Aston Villa on Saturday on the day of the game or the day before?
Presumably Graham Scott travelled down from Oxford to London on Saturday for his VAR duties. The game didn't finish until 7.30pmish so even if he left right at the final whistle (which I doubt) then it wouldn't be the earliest of nights. If he didn't leave until an hour or two after the game had finished then he's probably not getting back before MOTD. Then he's got to get up relatively early on the Sunday morning to travel back. It hardly seems the best possible preparation for refereeing a Premier League match when a hotel could easily be organised in the local area for the Saturday night, ensuring that Scott is in the area for the Sunday game and providing better preparation than the fatigue that could be caused by travelling back and forth.
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I notice that most of the PL TV games this coming weekend all have SG1 holding the numbers board aside from the game at Norwich where Stroud is there.
I thought Langford performed fairly well given the circumstances.... got in the way of play a few times however given the difference in pace between the PL and the Football League, and his first game, I would hardly blame him for that.
I've never been a fan of Langford but credit him where it's due. A good experience nonetheless for him.
(Maybe we will see Kettle get a chance in the PL again given the NL being used on numbers board duties!)
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It's confirmed - Oli Langford will be taking charge of the game. I thought referees stayed in a hotel prior to a match and made their way to the stadium as a team, but clearly this is not the case.
They only stay overnight at a hotel when the game is a certain distance away. Michael Oliver for example would stay at a hotel (well his in laws in his case but you get the point...) when appointed to Bournemouth/Southampton/Portsmouth as it is over the required distance. Andre Marriner though would travel from the midlands to those 3 on the day of the match as it is below the required distance. They meet at a local hotel prior to the game, the time seems to vary from anything between 9am & 12pm for a 3pm kick off - I assume there is a "latest meet time" but couldn't tell you what it is. They then travel in 1 vehicle as a team from the hotel 1.5-2hrs pre-kick off.
Out of interest, do you know if Bournemouth would have travelled up to Aston Villa on Saturday on the day of the game or the day before?
Presumably Graham Scott travelled down from Oxford to London on Saturday for his VAR duties. The game didn't finish until 7.30pmish so even if he left right at the final whistle (which I doubt) then it wouldn't be the earliest of nights. If he didn't leave until an hour or two after the game had finished then he's probably not getting back before MOTD. Then he's got to get up relatively early on the Sunday morning to travel back. It hardly seems the best possible preparation for refereeing a Premier League match when a hotel could easily be organised in the local area for the Saturday night, ensuring that Scott is in the area for the Sunday game and providing better preparation than the fatigue that could be caused by travelling back and forth.
Teams are treated very differently in terms of travelling to referees & always have been. Clubs pay themselves if they want an overnight stay at a hotel so AFCB could, if they so chose to stay at a hotel in Southampton the night before a game despite it only being a 30 min drive away. They have actually done so before now. A referee would never be given that option, unless they wanted to pay for the hotel themselves, they'd certainly not be granted expenses for it. Not sure about AFCB travel now, certainly in the pre-PL days they would have travelled up on the day, I have sat many a time on the official supporters coach travelling in convoy with the team coach to a game and even further afield than the midlands. Since the PL days though the club have often chartered a plane for the team to travel on & I believe they flew from Hurn airport to Birmingham on Saturday am. The biggest difference of course, even if a team and a referee both travel by road is that the referee will be driving himself and a team would be sat on a coach with an option to wander about the coach, stretch their legs, have a nap, not have to concentrate on other road users etc.
The PL simply won't stump up the cash to pay for overnight stays for referees despite it being the common sense thing to do in terms of match preparation. It took them until only about 2 years ago to finally bring in a rule of a minimum of 48hrs between kick off times for referees, which do not apply to 4th officials or those on VAR duties. It didn't matter before if a referee did a Thursday night game in Europe, travelled back to the UK on the Friday and then off to somewhere or another in England for a Saturday game. At least now, that should no longer happen if they are referee on both games - it can however still happen if they are 4O in either match despite the travel being equally as excessive!
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Exactly what I was thinking. He was on VAR last night so why not stay in London?
If someone is at Stockley Park on Saturday night, you’d certainly think they should be able to get to Stamford Bridge for Sunday afternoon.
Kavanagh, Pawson and Hooper were all VAR at SP yesterday. Surely one of those could have been FO initially today?
Who is AVAR now? The same as earlier game? Mike Dean could be kept busy today. Hope Langford delays the whistle for close offsides and so on.
I would assume Robathan, as Graham Scott has now arrived at Stamford Bridge.
I believe Scott only arrived 20 minutes before kick-off so I guess it depends if Robathan was sent to Stamford Bridge or not in case Scott didn't arrive.
If Robathan did go to Stamford Bridge but wasn't required then I hope he still got his full match fee, which ironically would probably have been more than the expense of a hotel stay for Scott!
It seems ridiculous that there is no contingency in place to provide accommodation to referees the night before a game where relevant or more practical. Professionalism should include the nature of the preparation and having to drive yourself for a couple of hours before a game can't be the best preparation for refereeing a Premier League football match.