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Title: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: referee12 on Sat 22 Jun 2019 11:31
any news on who's in the middle for the primary mini tournament
Title: Re: 19/20 uefa champions league
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Sun 23 Jun 2019 10:15
PRELIMINARY ROUND

Semi-Finals

25 June 2019, 15:00 CET - Pristina (Stadiumi Fadil Vokrri)
SP Tre Penne (SMR) - FC Santa Coloma (AND)
Referee: Ian McNabb (NIR)
Assistant Referee 1: Paul Robinson (NIR)
Assistant Referee 2: Stephen Bell (NIR)
Fourth Official: James Robert Robinson (NIR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Charles Agius (MLT)
UEFA Delegate: Styrbjörn Oskarsson (FIN)

25 June 2019, 20:45 CET - Pristina (Stadiumi Fadil Vokrri)
KF Feronikeli (KOS) - Lincoln Red Imps FC (GIB)
Referee: Fedayi San (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Bekim Zogaj (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Jonas Erni (SUI)
Fourth Official: Lukas Fähndrich (SUI)
UEFA Referee Observer: Charles Agius (MLT)
UEFA Delegate: Styrbjörn Oskarsson (FIN)
Title: Re: 19/20 uefa champions league
Post by: referee12 on Wed 26 Jun 2019 20:10
who's got the primary rd final then?
Title: Re: 19/20 uefa champions league
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Wed 26 Jun 2019 23:30
Final

28 June 2019, 20:45 CET - Pristina (Stadiumi Fadil Vokrri)
KF Feronikeli (KOS) - FC Santa Coloma (AND)
Referee: Emmanouíl Skoulás (GRE)
Assistant Referee 1: Trýfon Petrópoulos (GRE)
Assistant Referee 2: Rénchard Boúksbaoum (GRE)
Fourth Official: Aristotélis Diamandópoulos (GRE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Charles Agius (MLT)
UEFA Delegate: Styrbjörn Oskarsson (FIN)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Fri 05 Jul 2019 01:16
FIRST QUALIFYING ROUND (First Legs)

9 July 2019, 15:00 CET - Nur-Sultan (Astana Arena)
FC Astana (KAZ) - CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU)
Referee: Lawrence Visser (BEL)
Assistant Referee 1: Thibaud Nijssen (BEL)
Assistant Referee 2: Jo De Weirdt (BEL)
Fourth Official: Kevin Van Damme (BEL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marián Ružbarský (SVK)
UEFA Delegate: Olivier Chovaux (FRA)

9 July 2019, 16:00 CET - Yerevan (FFA Academy Stadium)
FC Ararat-Armenia (ARM) - Allmänna Idrottsklubben (SWE)
Referee: Duje Strukan (CRO)
Assistant Referee 1: Hrvoje Radić (CRO)
Assistant Referee 2: Mario Pepur (CRO)
Fourth Official: Marin Vidulin (CRO)
UEFA Referee Observer: David Fernández Borbalán (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Jean-Paul Mievis (BEL)
Delegate Trainee: David Avanesyan (ARM)

9 July 2019, 18:00 CET - Tallinn (Kadrioru staadion)
Nőmme Kalju FC (EST) - KF Shkëndija (MKD)
Referee: Donald Robertson (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Graeme Stewart (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: Daniel McFarlane (SCO)
Fourth Official: Gregory Aitken (SCO)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kaj Řstergaard (DEN)
UEFA Delegate: Kieran O'Connor (WAL)
Delegate Trainee: Veiko Soo (EST)

9 July 2019, 18:00 CET - Helsinki (Telia 5G -areena)
Helsingin Jalkapalloklubi (FIN) - Havnar Bóltfelag (FRO)
Referee: Giorgi Kruashvili (GEO)
Assistant Referee 1: Zaza Pipia (GEO)
Assistant Referee 2: Levan Todria (GEO)
Fourth Official: Davit Kharitonashvili (GEO)
UEFA Referee Observer: Stephen Lodge (ENG)
UEFA Delegate: Haris Gvozden (BIH)
Delegate Trainee: Anu Jokela (FIN)

9 July 2019, 19:45 CET - Sarajevo (Stadion "Asim Ferhatović Hase")
FK Sarajevo (BIH) - Celtic FC (SCO)
Referee: Glenn Nyberg (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Daniel Wärnmark (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Mahbod Beigi (SWE)
Fourth Official: Mohammed Al-Hakim (SWE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Matteo Simone Trefoloni (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Nils Řyvind Fisketjřnn (NOR)
Delegate Trainee: Jasmin Baković (BIH)
Security Officer: Fernand Meese (BEL)

9 July 2019, 20:00 CET - Marijampolė (ARVI futbolo arena)
FK Sūduva (LTU) - FK Crvena zvezda (SRB)
Referee: Jřrgen Daugbjerg Burchardt (DEN)
Assistant Referee 1: Dennis Wollenberg Rasmussen (DEN)
Assistant Referee 2: Amir Sabic (DEN)
Fourth Official: Michael Tykgaard (DEN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Peter Fröjdfeldt (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Radenko Mijatovič (SVN)
Delegate Trainee: Ingrida Siliūnienė (LTU)
Security Officer: Bülent Perut (TUR)

9 July 2019, 20:00 CET - Luxembourg (Stade Josy Barthel)
F91 Dudelange (LUX) - Valletta FC (MLT)
Referee: Arnold Hunter (NIR)
Assistant Referee 1: Gareth Eakin (NIR)
Assistant Referee 2: David Anderson (NIR)
Fourth Official: Lee Tavinder (NIR)
UEFA Referee Observer: René Temmink (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Ariel Kenneth Scheiman (ISR)

9 July 2019, 20:00 CET - Oswestry (Park Hall)
The New Saints FC (WAL) - KF Feronikeli (KOS)
Referee: Trustin Farrugia Cann (MLT)
Assistant Referee 1: Alan Camilleri (MLT)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Vella (MLT)
Fourth Official: Philip Farrugia (MLT)
UEFA Referee Observer: Darko Čeferin (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Rudolphe Mannaerts (BEL)

10 July 2019, 17:30 CET - Tirana (Stadiumi Selman Stërmasi)
FK Partizani (ALB) - Qarabağ FK (AZE)
Referee: Ţorvaldur Árnason (ISL)
Assistant Referee 1: Jóhann Gunnar Guđmundsson (ISL)
Assistant Referee 2: Andri Vigfússon (ISL)
Fourth Official: Pétur Guđmundsson (ISL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Konrad Plautz (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Tammo Beishuizen (NED)

10 July 2019, 19:00 CET - Tiraspol (Stadionul Sheriff)
FC Sheriff (MDA) - FC Saburtalo (GEO)
Referee: Iwan Arwel Griffith (WAL)
Assistant Referee 1: Daniel Beckett (WAL)
Assistant Referee 2: Ian Bird (WAL)
Fourth Official: David Howard Morgan (WAL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bertrand Layec (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Outi Saarinen (FIN)
Delegate Trainee: Alina Capațina (MDA)

10 July 2019, 19:00 CET - Barysaŭ (Barysaŭ-Arena)
FC BATE Barysaŭ (BLR) - GKS Piast Gliwice (POL)
Referee: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Esat Sancaktar (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Samet Çiçek (TUR)
Fourth Official: Arda Kardeşler (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alexandru Deaconu (ROU)
UEFA Delegate: Anton Fagan (SCO)
Delegate Trainee: Natallia Varabjova (BLR)

10 July 2019, 20:00 CET - Budapest (Groupama Aréna)
Ferencvárosi TC (HUN) - PFC Ludogorets 1945 (BUL)
Referee: Eitan Shmuelevitz (ISR)
Assistant Referee 1: David Elias Biton (ISR)
Assistant Referee 2: Avi Avraham Goldstain (ISR)
Fourth Official: Eli Hacmon (ISR)
UEFA Referee Observer: John Ward (IRL)
UEFA Delegate: Rainer Koch (GER)
Delegate Trainee: Attila Tömő (HUN)

10 July 2019, 20:15 CET - Bratislava (Národný futbalový štadión)
ŠK Slovan Bratislava (SVK) - FK Sutjeska (MNE)
Referee: Vitaliy Meshkov (RUS)
Assistant Referee 1: Maksim Gavrilin (RUS)
Assistant Referee 2: Aleksey Lunev (RUS)
Fourth Official: Aleksey Sukhoy (RUS)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Antonov (MDA)
UEFA Delegate: Dennis Cruise (IRL)
Delegate Trainee: František Laurinec (SVK)

10 July 2019, 20:45 CET - Belfast (Windsor Park)
Linfield FC (NIR) - Rosenborg BK (NOR)
Referee: Ivaylo Stoyanov (BUL)
Assistant Referee 1: Ivo Kolev (BUL)
Assistant Referee 2: Georgi Doynov (BUL)
Fourth Official: Vladimir Valkov (BUL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Haim Jakov (ISR)
UEFA Delegate: Kurt Zuppinger (SUI)

10 July 2019, 20:45 CET - Dundalk (Oriel Park)
Dundalk FC (IRL) - Riga FC (LVA)
Referee: Peter Kráľovič (SVK)
Assistant Referee 1: Milan Štrbo (SVK)
Assistant Referee 2: Miroslav Benko (SVK)
Fourth Official: Martin Dohál (SVK)
UEFA Referee Observer: Markus Nobs (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Lars Richt (SWE)
Delegate Trainee: Patrick Dempsey (IRL)

10 July 2019, 22:00 CET - Reykjavík (Origovöllurinn)
Valur (ISL) - NK Maribor (SVN)
Referee: Krzysztof Jakubik (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Arkadiusz Kamil Wójcik (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Niemirowski (POL)
Fourth Official: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Frank De Bleeckere (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: Siarhiej Iĺič (BLR)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Sun 14 Jul 2019 22:40
FIRST QUALIFYING ROUND (Second Legs)

16 July 2019, 17:00 CET - Skopje (Nacionalna arena "Toše Proeski")
KF Shkëndija (MKD) - Nőmme Kalju FC (EST) | 1-0
Referee: Alain Bieri (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Alain Heiniger (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Sertac Kurnazca (SUI)
Fourth Official: Stefan Horisberger (SUI)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Gijs de Jong (NED)

16 July 2019, 19:30 CET - Tbilisi (Mikheil Meskhis Stadioni)
FC Saburtalo (GEO) - FC Sheriff Tiraspol (MDA) | 3-0
Referee: Pavel Orel (CZE)
Assistant Referee 1: Petr Blažej (CZE)
Assistant Referee 2: Jiří Kříž (CZE)
Fourth Official: Petr Ardeleanu (CZE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Rune Pedersen (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Márton Esterházy (HUN)

16 July 2019, 20:00 CET - Ta' Qali (Centenary Stadium)
Valletta FC (MLT) - F91 Dudelange (LUX) | 2-2
Referee: Juri Frischer (EST)
Assistant Referee 1: Neeme Neemlaid (EST)
Assistant Referee 2: Veiko Mőtsnik (EST)
Fourth Official: Kristo Külljastinen (EST)
UEFA Referee Observer: Lucílio Cardoso Cortez Batista (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Orxan Hüseynzadə (AZE)

16 July 2019, 20:00 CET - Tórshavn (Gundadalur)
HB Tórshavn (FRO) - HJK Helsinki (FIN) | 0-3
Referee: Geórgios Komínis (GRE)
Assistant Referee 1: Chrístos Akrívos (GRE)
Assistant Referee 2: Andréas Meďdanás (GRE)
Fourth Official: Aristoménis Koutsiáftis (GRE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sokol Jareci (ALB)
UEFA Delegate: Mohamed Taa (FRA)

16 July 2019, 20:45 CET - Belgrade (Stadion Rajko Mitić)
FK Crvena zvezda (SRB) - FK Sūduva (LTU) | 0-0
Referee: Ádám Farkas (HUN)
Assistant Referee 1: Péter Berettyán (HUN)
Assistant Referee 2: Balázs Szert (HUN)
Fourth Official: Péter Solymosi (HUN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kóstas Kapitanís (CYP)
UEFA Delegate: Andrew Shaw (ENG)
Delegate Trainee: Igor Radojčić (SRB)

16 July 2019, 20:45 CET - Pristina (Stadiumi Fadil Vokrri)
KF Feronikeli (KOS) - The New Saints FC (WAL) | 2-2
Referee: Espen Andreas Eskĺs (NOR)
Assistant Referee 1: Řystein Simon Ytterland (NOR)
Assistant Referee 2: Jon-Michael Knutsen (NOR)
Fourth Official: Kai Erik Steen (NOR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sándor Piller (HUN)
UEFA Delegate: Jan Willem van Dop (NED)

17 July 2019, 18:30 CET - Riga (Skonto stadions)
Riga FC (LVA) - Dundalk FC (IRL) | 0-0
Referee: Dimitar Mečkarovski (MKD)
Assistant Referee 1: Dejan Nedelkoski (MKD)
Assistant Referee 2: Goce Petreski (MKD)
Fourth Official: Konstantin Vlaho (MKD)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kristinn Jakobsson (ISL)
UEFA Delegate: Danilo Filacchione (ITA)

17 July 2019, 19:00 CET - Solna (Friends Arena)
AIK (SWE) - Ararat-Armenia FC (ARM) | 1-2
Referee: Robert Hennessy (IRL)
Assistant Referee 1: Allen Lynch (IRL)
Assistant Referee 2: Dermot Broughton (IRL)
Fourth Official: Damien McGraith (IRL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Ichko Lozev (BUL)
UEFA Delegate: Ánna Kapásoglou (GRE)

17 July 2019, 19:00 CET - Baku (Dalğa Arena)
Qarabağ FK (AZE) - FK Partizani (ALB) | 0-0
Referee: Dumitru Muntean (MDA)
Assistant Referee 1: Vladislav Lifciu (MDA)
Assistant Referee 2: Andrei Bodean (MDA)
Fourth Official: Alexandru Tean (MDA)
UEFA Referee Observer: William Young (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Michael Foster (ENG)
Delegate Trainee: Zaur Hacı-Məhərrəmov (AZE)

17 July 2019, 19:00 CET - Trondheim (Lerkendal Stadion)
Rosenborg BK (NOR) - Linfield FC (NIR) | 2-0
Referee: Enea Jorgji (ALB)
Assistant Referee 1: Denis Rexha (ALB)
Assistant Referee 2: Rudin Preça (ALB)
Fourth Official: Kridens Meta (ALB)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vlado Svilokos (CRO)
UEFA Delegate: Antonio Talarico (ITA)

17 July 2019, 19:30 CET - Razgrad (Ludogorets Arena)
PFC Ludogorets 1945 (BUL) - Ferencvárosi TC (HUN) | 1-2
Referee: Donatas Rumšas (LTU)
Assistant Referee 1: Dovydas Sužiedėlis (LTU)
Assistant Referee 2: Vytis Snarskis (LTU)
Fourth Official: Robertas Valikonis (LTU)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kevin Azzopardi (MLT)
UEFA Delegate: Jacob Erel (ISR)

17 July 2019, 20:00 CET - Cluj-Napoca (Stadionul Dr. Constantin Rădulescu)
CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) - FC Astana (KAZ) | 0-1
Referee: Alexander Harkam (AUT)
Assistant Referee 1: Andreas Witschnigg (AUT)
Assistant Referee 2: Andreas Staudinger (AUT)
Fourth Official: Christian-Petru Ciochirca (AUT)
UEFA Referee Observer: Levan Paniashvili (GEO)
UEFA Delegate: Zoran Cvrk (CRO)
Delegate Trainee: Victor Marius Radu (ROU)

17 July 2019, 20:00 CET - Gliwice (Stadion Miejski)
GKS Piast Gliwice (POL) - FC BATE Barysaŭ (BLR) | 1-1
Referee: Antti Munukka (FIN)
Assistant Referee 1: Jukka Honkanen (FIN)
Assistant Referee 2: Riku Vihreävuori (FIN)
Fourth Official: Mohammed Al-Emara (FIN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Drago Kos (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Jānis Mežeckis (LVA)
Delegate Trainee: Bartosz Łaski (POL)

17 July 2019, 20:15 CET - Nikšić (Gradski stadion)
FK Sutjeska (MNE) - ŠK Slovan Bratislava (SVK) | 1-1
Referee: Horațiu Mircea Feșnic (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Alexandru Cerei (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Mihai Marius Marica (ROU)
Fourth Official: Ionuț Marius Avram (ROU)
UEFA Referee Observer: Elmir Pilav (BIH)
UEFA Delegate: Crawford Wilson (NIR)

17 July 2019, 20:15 CET - Maribor (Stadion Ljudski vrt)
NK Maribor (SVN) - Valur (ISL) | 3-0
Referee: Joăo Pedro da Silva Pinheiro (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Rui Licínio Barbosa Tavares (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Bruno Miguel de Campos Rodrigues (POR)
Fourth Official: Cláudio Filipe Ruivo Pereira (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Luciano Luci (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Oleg Harlamov (EST)

17 July 2019, 20:45 CET - Glasgow (Celtic Park)
Celtic FC (SCO) - FK Sarajevo (BIH) | 3-1
Referee: Alain Durieux (LUX)
Assistant Referee 1: Gilles François Becker (LUX)
Assistant Referee 2: Claude Ries (LUX)
Fourth Official: Laurent Kopriwa (LUX)
UEFA Referee Observer: Juan Antonio Fernández Marín (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Bernd Barutta (GER)
Delegate Trainee: Gilles Petitmangin (FRA)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Mon 15 Jul 2019 02:27
FIRST QUALIFYING ROUND (Second Legs)


16 July 2019, 20:45 CET - Belgrade (Stadion Rajko Mitić)
FK Crvena zvezda (SRB) - FK Sūduva (LTU) | 0-0
Referee: Ádám Farkas (HUN)
Assistant Referee 1: Péter Berettyán (HUN)
Assistant Referee 2: Balázs Szert (HUN)
Fourth Official: Péter Solymosi (HUN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kóstas Kapitanís (CYP)
UEFA Delegate: Andrew Shaw (ENG)
Delegate Trainee: Igor Radojčić (SRB)

Let the official celebration of another half season of #SolymosiWatch begin!!!

Happy bmb
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Fri 19 Jul 2019 21:42
SECOND QUALIFYING ROUND (First Legs)

23 July 2019, 19:00 CET - Plzeň (Doosan Arena)
FC Viktoria Plzeň (CZE) - Olympiakós FC (GRE)
Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Daniele Bindoni (ITA)
Fourth Official: Fabio Maresca (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Jean-Paul Mievis (BEL)
Delegate Trainee: Jan Kořínek (CZE)

23 July 2019, 19:30 CET - Tbilisi (Mikheil Meskhis Stadioni)
FC Saburtalo (GEO) - GNK Dinamo (CRO)
Referee: Petr Ardeleanu (CZE)
Assistant Referee 1: Ivo Nádvorník (CZE)
Assistant Referee 2: Jakub Hrabovský (CZE)
Fourth Official: Karel Hrubeš (CZE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sándor Piller (HUN)
UEFA Delegate: Peter Oskam (NED)
Delegate Trainee: Davit Datunashvili (GEO)
Security Officer: Wayne Nash (WAL)

23 July 2019, 20:00 CET - Oswestry (Park Hall)
The New Saints FC (WAL) - FC Křbenhavn (DEN)
Referee: Alexander Harkam (AUT)
Assistant Referee 1: Andreas Witschnigg (AUT)
Assistant Referee 2: Andreas Staudinger (AUT)
Fourth Official: Christian-Petru Ciochirca (AUT)
UEFA Referee Observer: Leslie Irvine (NIR)
UEFA Delegate: Michal Mertinyák (SVK)

23 July 2019, 20:00 CET - Eindhoven (Philips Stadion)
PSV Eindhoven (NED) - FC Basel 1893 (SUI)
Referee: Andris Treimanis (LVA)
Assistant Referee 1: Haralds Gudermanis (LVA)
Assistant Referee 2: Aleksejs Spasjonņikovs (LVA)
Fourth Official: Aleksandrs Golubevs (LVA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Frank De Bleeckere (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: William Campbell (NIR)
Delegate Trainee: Jeroen Roest (NED)
Security Officer: Fernand Meese (BEL)

23 July 2019, 20:15 CET - Nikšić (Gradski Stadion)
FK Sutjeska (MNE) - APOEL FC (CYP)
Referee: István Vad (HUN)
Assistant Referee 1: István Albert (HUN)
Assistant Referee 2: Péter Berettyán (HUN)
Fourth Official: Balázs Berke (HUN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sergey Zuyev (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: Adrian Ixari (MDA)

24 July 2019, 19:00 CET - Barysaŭ (Barysaŭ-Arena)
FC BATE Barysaŭ (BLR) - Rosenborg BK (NOR)
Referee: Sandro Schärer (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Bekim Zogaj (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Devis Dettamanti (SUI)
Fourth Official: Lionel Tschudi (SUI)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jan Willem Wegereef (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Vasko Dojčinovski (MKD)

24 July 2019, 20:00 CET - Cluj-Napoca (Stadionul Dr. Constantin Rădulescu)
CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) - Maccabi Tel-Aviv FC (ISR)
Referee: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Raúl Cabańero Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: José Gallego García (ESP)
Fourth Official: Santiago Jaime Latre (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Markus Nobs (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Ivan Tsitovich (RUS)

24 July 2019, 20:00 CET - Budapest (Groupama Aréna)
Ferencvárosi TC (HUN) - Valletta FC (MLT)
Referee: Radu Marian Petrescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Radu Adrian Ștefan Ghinguleac (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Vladimir Urzică (ROU)
Fourth Official: Marcel Bîrsan (ROU)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jřrn West Larsen (DEN)
UEFA Delegate: David Pugh (ENG)

24 July 2019, 20:15 CET - Maribor (Stadion Ljudski vrt)
NK Maribor (SVN) - AIK (SWE)
Referee: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Marco Achmüller (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Sven Waschitzki (GER)
Fourth Official: Harm Osmers (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Manuel López Fernández (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Andrey Medintsev (BUL)

24 July 2019, 20:45 CET - Dundalk (Oriel Park)
Dundalk FC (IRL) - Qarabağ FK (AZE)
Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Marcin Boniek (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Jakub Winkler (POL)
Fourth Official: Daniel Stefański (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Peter Fröjdfeldt (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Charles Schaack (LUX)

24 July 2019, 20:45 CET - Glasgow (Celtic Park)
Celtic FC (SCO) - Nőmme Kalju FC (EST)
Referee: Jakob Kehlet (DEN)
Assistant Referee 1: Lars Hummelgaard (DEN)
Assistant Referee 2: Heine Sřrensen (DEN)
Fourth Official: Michael Tykgaard (DEN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bo Karlsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: José Guilherme Saraiva de Oliveira Aguiar (POR)

24 July 2019, 20:45 CET - Belgrade (Stadion Rajko Mitić)
FK Crvena Zvezda (SRB) - HJK Helsinki (FIN)
Referee: Paweł Gil (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Konrad Sapela (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Marcin Borkowski (POL)
Fourth Official: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Rien Koopman (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Paolo Rondelli (SMR)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Wed 24 Jul 2019 21:13
SECOND QUALIFYING ROUND (First Legs)

24 July 2019, 20:00 CET - Budapest (Groupama Aréna)
Ferencvárosi TC (HUN) - Valletta FC (MLT)
Referee: Radu Marian Petrescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Radu Adrian Ștefan Ghinguleac (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Vladimir Urzică (ROU)
Fourth Official: Marcel Bîrsan (ROU)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jřrn West Larsen (DEN)
UEFA Delegate: David Pugh (ENG)

He's going to be very disappointed when he sees the penalty he gave to Fradi back, if I was being very kind I would say it was very very soft. More honestly Lovrencsics needs to have a serious word with himself about his own conduct... Excellent call on the red card near the end & was a great spot from his angle 2 elbows to the face & very good call. Seemed to be a straight red as opposed to a 2nd yellow, I thought the early booking on the same player was very soft, considering what had already gone unpunished but no complaints with the other 3 yellows.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Sat 27 Jul 2019 10:19
SECOND QUALIFYING ROUND (Second Legs)

30 July 2019, 19:00 CET - Netanya (Itztadion Netanya)
Maccabi Tel-Aviv FC (ISR) - CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) | 0-1
Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Dominik Schaal (GER)
Fourth Official: Sven Jablonski (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Liba (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Roland Tis (BEL)

30 July 2019, 19:00 CET - Tallinn (A. Le Coq Arena)
Nőmme Kalju FC (EST) - Celtic FC (SCO) | 0-5
Referee: Benoît Millot (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Cyril Mugnier (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Stephan Luzi (FRA)
Fourth Official: Willy Delajod (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Levan Paniashvili (GEO)
UEFA Delegate: Jan Damgaard (DEN)

30 July 2019, 19:00 CET - Nicosia (Stádio GSP)
APOEL FC (CYP) - FK Sutjeska (MNE) | 1-0
Referee: Roi Reinshreiber (ISR)
Assistant Referee 1: David Elias Biton (ISR)
Assistant Referee 2: Idan Berenshtein (ISR)
Fourth Official: Daniel Bar Natan (ISR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Uno Tutk (EST)
UEFA Delegate: Peter Lundström (FIN)

30 July 2019, 20:00 CET - Ta' Qali (Centenary Stadium)
Valletta FC (MLT) - Ferencvárosi TC (HUN) | 1-3
Referee: Jonathan Lardot (BEL)
Assistant Referee 1: Florian Lemaire (BEL)
Assistant Referee 2: Romain Devillers (BEL)
Fourth Official: Jasper Vergoote (BEL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Paulius Malžinskas (LTU)
UEFA Delegate: Iva Olivari (CRO)

30 July 2019, 20:00 CET - Zagreb (Stadion "Maksimir")
GNK Dinamo (CRO) - FC Saburtalo (GEO) | 2-0
Referee: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Matteo Passeri (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Luca Mondin (ITA)
Fourth Official: Gianpaolo Calvarese (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Haim Jakov (ISR)
UEFA Delegate: Luis Cuervas del Real (ESP)

30 July 2019, 20:00 CET - Basel (St. Jakob-Park)
FC Basel 1893 (SUI) - PSV Eindhoven (NED) | 2-3
Referee: Fábio José da Costa Veríssimo (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Nuno Filipe dos Santos Tomás Pereira (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Pedro Nuno de Sá Martins (POR)
Fourth Official: António Emanuel de Carvalho Nobre (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Eugen Strigel (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Jānis Mežeckis (LVA)
Delegate Trainee: Pascal Plarent (FRA)
Security Officer: Cécile Grandsimon (FRA)

30 July 2019, 20:30 CET - Piraeus (Stádio Geórgios Karaďskákis)
Olympiakós FC (GRE) - FC Viktoria Plzeň (CZE) | 0-0
Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Diego Barbero Sevilla (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: César Manuel Noval Font (ESP)
Fourth Official: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Fritz Stuchlik (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Metin Kazancıoğlu (TUR)
Delegate Trainee: Athiná Pateráki (GRE)

31 July 2019, 18:00 CET - Helsinki (Telia 5G -areena)
HJK Helsinki (FIN) - FK Crvena Zvezda (SRB) | 0-2
Referee: Alain Bieri (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Alain Heiniger (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Efe Kurnazca (SUI)
Fourth Official: Urs Schnyder (SUI)
UEFA Referee Observer: Thomas Einwaller (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: John Taylor (SCO)
Security Officer: Nikolay Shiryayev (RUS)

31 July 2019, 19:00 CET - Trondheim (Lerkendal Stadion)
Rosenborg BK (NOR) - FC BATE Barysaŭ (BLR) | 1-2
Referee: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Costanzo (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Sergio Ranghetti (ITA)
Fourth Official: Rosario Abisso (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Michális Argyroú (CYP)
UEFA Delegate: Luca Zorzi (SUI)

31 July 2019, 19:00 CET - Baku (Dalğa Arena)
Qarabağ FK (AZE) - Dundalk FC (IRL) | 1-1
Referee: Svein Oddvar Moen (NOR)
Assistant Referee 1: Magnus Lundberg (NOR)
Assistant Referee 2: Isaak Elias Skjeseth Bashevkin (NOR)
Fourth Official: Sigurd Kringstad (NOR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sabri Çelik (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Ádonis Prokopíou (CYP)

31 July 2019, 19:00 CET - Solna (Friends Arena)
AIK (SWE) - NK Maribor (SVN) | 1-2
Referee: Adrien Jaccottet (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Vital Jobin (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Matthias Sbrissa (SUI)
Fourth Official: Alessandro Dudic (SUI)
UEFA Referee Observer: Lucílio Cardoso Cortez Batista (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Philippe Prudhon (FRA)

31 July 2019, 19:45 CET - Copenhagen (Telia Parken)
FC Křbenhavn (DEN) - The New Saints FC (WAL) | 2-0
Referee: Karim Abed (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Mikaël Berchebru (FRA)
Fourth Official: Florent Batta (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Robert Małek (POL)
UEFA Delegate: Isabel Hochstöger (AUT)
Delegate Trainee: Rimla Akhtar (ENG)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Sat 03 Aug 2019 11:09
THIRD QUALIFYING ROUND (First Legs)

6 August 2019, 19:00 CET - Nicosia (Stádio GSP)
APOEL FC (CYP) - Qarabağ FK (AZE)
Referee: Davide Massa (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Fabiano Preti (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Alberto Tegoni (ITA)
Fourth Official: Rosario Abisso (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Antonov (MDA)
UEFA Delegate: Romano Clavedetscher (SUI)

6 August 2019, 19:00 CET - Thessaloniki (Stádio Toúmbas)
PAOK FC (GRE) - AFC Ajax (NED)
Referee: Slavko Vinčič (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaž Klančnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Andraž Kovačič (SVN)
Fourth Official: Rade Obrenovič (SVN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Peter Fröjdfeldt (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Balázs Makray (HUN)
Security Officer: Vlado Glođović (SRB)

6 August 2019, 20:00 CET - Zagreb (Stadion Maksimir)
GNK Dinamo (CRO) - Ferencvárosi TC (HUN)
Referee: Paweł Raczkowski (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Michał Obukowicz (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Radosław Siejka (POL)
Fourth Official: Tomasz Musiał (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vítor Manuel de Melo Pereira (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Rudolf Zavrl (SVN)
Delegate Trainee: Aléxandros Dédes (GRE)

6 August 2019, 20:30 CET - Bruges (Jan Breydelstadion)
Club Brugge (BEL) - FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR)
Referee: Xavier Estrada Fernández (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: José Enrique Naranjo Pérez (ESP)
Fourth Official: Pablo González Fuertes (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Darko Čeferin (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Anthony Bloch (ENG)
Mentor for Delegate: Panagiotis Chatzialexiou (GER)
Security Officer: Michael Kuchenbecker (GER)

6 August 2019, 20:45 CET - Belgrade (Stadion Rajko Mitić)
FK Crvena Zvezda (SRB) - FC Křbenhavn (DEN)
Referee: Tiago Bruno Lopes Martins (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Rui Miguel Martins Teixeira (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Pedro Miguel Almeida de Mota (POR)
Fourth Official: André Filipe Domingues da Silva Narciso (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Ichko Lozev (BUL)
UEFA Delegate: Martin Sturkenboom (NED)

7 August 2019, 19:00 CET - Krasnodar (Stadion "Krasnodar")
FC Krasnodar (RUS) - FC Porto (POR)
Referee: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Rafael Foltyn (GER)
Fourth Official: Christian Dingert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Karen Nalbandyan (ARM)
UEFA Delegate: Loukás Siótropos (GRE)
Delegate Trainee: Ani Gevorgyan (RUS)

7 August 2019, 19:45 CET - Istanbul (3. İstanbul Başakşehir Fatih Terim Stadyumu)
Medipol Başakşehir FK (TUR) - Olympiakós FC (GRE)
Referee: Orel Grinfeld (ISR)
Assistant Referee 1: Roi Hasan (ISR)
Assistant Referee 2: Idan Yarkoni (ISR)
Fourth Official: Eitan Shmuelevitz (ISR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Tomasz Mikulski (POL)
UEFA Delegate: David Findlay (SCO)

7 August 2019, 20:00 CET - Cluj-Napoca (Stadionul Dr. Constantin Rădulescu)
CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) - Celtic FC (SCO)
Referee: Srđan Jovanović (SRB)
Assistant Referee 1: Uroš Stojković (SRB)
Assistant Referee 2: Milan Mihajlović (SRB)
Fourth Official: Novak Simović (SRB)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Matthew Paris (MLT)

7 August 2019, 20:00 CET - Basel (St. Jakob-Park)
FC Basel 1893 (SUI) - LASK (AUT)
Referee: Andreas Ekberg (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Mehmet Culum (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Hallberg (SWE)
Fourth Official: Kristoffer Karlsson (SWE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Juan Antonio Fernández Marín (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Ronit Glasman (ISR)

7 August 2019, 20:15 CET - Maribor (Stadion Ljudski Vrt)
NK Maribor (SVN) - Rosenborg BK (NOR)
Referee: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Cyril Mugnier (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Mehdi Rahmouni (FRA)
Fourth Official: Willy Delajod (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Levan Paniashvili (GEO)
UEFA Delegate: Jovan Šurbatović (SRB)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Sat 03 Aug 2019 11:46
Excellent appointment for Vincic. It's a pity that he is still in 1st Group when others remain on the Elite without an apparent reason.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Sat 03 Aug 2019 17:04
Excellent appointment for Vincic. It's a pity that he is still in 1st Group when others remain on the Elite without an apparent reason.

It's not understandable. But sometimes if your countryman is the president of UEFA, it doesn't help you...
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Wollongong Ref on Tue 06 Aug 2019 00:15
saw Vinic referee at UCL game in December 17. can not believe he is not in the Elite Group.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Tue 06 Aug 2019 00:17
saw Vinic referee at UCL game in December 17. can not believe he is not in the Elite Group.

Indeed, he's much better than many members of Elite Category.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 06 Aug 2019 13:14
Excellent appointment for Vincic. It's a pity that he is still in 1st Group when others remain on the Elite without an apparent reason.

Who do you think is in danger this season of potentially losing elite status with regard to them being in that grouping for 'no apparent reason'.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Tue 06 Aug 2019 15:43
Excellent appointment for Vincic. It's a pity that he is still in 1st Group when others remain on the Elite without an apparent reason.

Who do you think is in danger this season of potentially losing elite status with regard to them being in that grouping for 'no apparent reason'.

I don't believe that we will see any demotion from the Elite Group. Since we didn't see last season when Aytekin, Karasev and Sidiropoulos deserved to be demoted. It seems that you must make a real fuss (like Moen) in order to be demoted. It seems that the Elite Group is like PL.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ajb95 on Tue 06 Aug 2019 16:46
Surprised aytekin hasn’t already been demoted- a poor referee on a good day!! Particularly with the promotion of younger and more talented zwayer! Wouldn’t be surprised if we see Stieler some time soon!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Tue 06 Aug 2019 17:02
Excellent appointment for Vincic. It's a pity that he is still in 1st Group when others remain on the Elite without an apparent reason.

Who do you think is in danger this season of potentially losing elite status with regard to them being in that grouping for 'no apparent reason'.

Kulbakou (I know he has been just promoted but at U21EURO he showed he's not ready to handle games with use of VAR and if he continues this disaster, he could be like Bebek...), Královec, Aytekin, Sidiropoulos, Kassai, Karasev
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Fri 09 Aug 2019 18:09
THIRD QUALIFYING ROUND (Second Legs)

13 August 2019, 18:30 CET - Baku (Tofiq Bəhramov adına Respublika Stadionu)
Qarabağ FK (AZE) - APOEL FC (CYP) | 2-1
Referee: Daniel Siebert (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Jan Seidel (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Lasse Koslowski (GER)
Fourth Official: Martin Petersen (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jřrn West Larsen (DEN)
UEFA Delegate: Velid Imamović (BIH)

13 August 2019, 19:00 CET - Trodnheim (Lerkendal Stadion)
Rosenborg BK (NOR) - NK Maribor (SVN) | 3-1
Referee: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Charles Schaap (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED)
Fourth Official: Jeroen Manschot (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bo Karlsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Marina Tashchyan (ARM)

13 August 2019, 19:30 CET - Kyiv (Natsionalʹnyy sportyvnyy kompleks "Olimpiysʹkyy")
FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR) - Club Brugge (BEL) | 0-1
Referee: Ivan Bebek (CRO)
Assistant Referee 1: Goran Pataki (CRO)
Assistant Referee 2: Bojan Zobenica (CRO)
Fourth Official: Mario Zebec (CRO)
UEFA Referee Observer: Stefan Messner (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Adrian Ixari (MDA)

13 August 2019, 20:00 CET - Budapest (Groupama Aréna)
Ferencvárosi TC (HUN) - GNK Dinamo (CRO) | 1-1
Referee: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Guillaume Debart (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Julien Pacelli (FRA)
Fourth Official: Frank Schneider (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Michael Foster (ENG)

13 August 2019, 20:00 CET - Copenhagen (Telia Parken)
FC Křbenhavn (DEN) - FK Crvena zvezda (SRB) | 1-1
Referee: Gediminas Mažeika (LTU)
Assistant Referee 1: Vytautas Šimkus (LTU)
Assistant Referee 2: Vytenis Kazlauskas (LTU)
Fourth Official: Robertas Šmitas (LTU)
UEFA Referee Observer: Rune Pedersen (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Jacques Antenen (SUI)

13 August 2019, 20:30 CET - Amsterdam (Johan Cruijff ArenA)
AFC Ajax (NED) - PAOK FC (GRE) | 2-2
Referee: Craig Pawson (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Lee Betts (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Ian Hussin (ENG)
Fourth Official: Andrew Madley (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kóstas Kapitanís (CYP)
UEFA Delegate: Eduard Dervishaj Nelaj (ESP)

13 August 2019, 20:30 CET - Piraeus (Stádio Geórgios Karaďskákis)
Olympiakós FC (GRE) - Medipol Başakşehir FK (TUR) | 1-0
Referee: Robert Madden (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Douglas Ross (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: David Roome (SCO)
Fourth Official: Gregory Aitken (SCO)
UEFA Referee Observer: Terje Hauge (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Claude Runavot (FRA)

13 August 2019, 20:30 CET - Linz (Stadion der Stadt Linz)
Linzer ASK (AUT) - FC Basel 1893 (SUI) | 2-1
Referee: Əliyar Ağayev (AZE)
Assistant Referee 1: Zeynal Zeynalov (AZE)
Assistant Referee 2: Akif Əmirəli (AZE)
Fourth Official: Orxan Məmmədov (AZE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Haim Jakov (ISR)
UEFA Delegate: Ivan Lekov (BUL)

13 August 2019, 20:45 CET - Glasgow (Celtic Park)
Celtic FC (SCO) - CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) | 1-1
Referee: Andris Treimanis (LVA)
Assistant Referee 1: Haralds Gudermanis (LVA)
Assistant Referee 2: Aleksejs Spasjonņikovs (LVA)
Fourth Official: Aleksandrs Golubevs (LVA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Luciano Luci (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Geir Ţorsteinsson (ISL)

13 August 2019, 21:00 CET - Porto (Estádio do Dragăo)
FC Porto (POR) - FC Krasnodar (RUS) | 1-0
Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Daniele Bindoni (ITA)
Fourth Official: Fabio Maresca (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: William Young (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Nina Hedlund (NOR)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Fri 09 Aug 2019 19:39
Good appointments for both Pawson and Madden. And with important observers.

The biggest match of the round (based on 1st leg result) goes to Bebek.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Fri 09 Aug 2019 21:11
Some of the heavier artillery is out for the second legs, I guess the cream will make an appearance for the final qualification round.

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Tue 13 Aug 2019 21:14
THIRD QUALIFYING ROUND (Second Legs)

13 August 2019, 20:00 CET - Budapest (Groupama Aréna)
Ferencvárosi TC (HUN) - GNK Dinamo (CRO) | 1-1
Referee: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Guillaume Debart (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Julien Pacelli (FRA)
Fourth Official: Frank Schneider (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Michael Foster (ENG)

No complaints with this team of officials tonight. Ref dealt well with tempers threatening to spill over at one point - Civic of Fradi correctly yellow carded. Bit of revenge dished his way a few mins later with another correct yellow card for the away team. It settled it down after that.  He has a great cross look I noted! No complaints, with any of the cards. 2nd yellow for Civic was correct, Zagreb were the better side on the pitch, officials capable, fair & consistent and that is all we can ask for.  Heister also booked for Fradi. 3 Zagreb players also booked. Pen given against Fradi looked soft in real time but replays showed one of the Fradi defenders took the Zagrebs back leg out so was a good call, it was missed as it happens but as Zagreb were 4-0 up by then it didn't matter!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ajb95 on Tue 13 Aug 2019 21:37
3 penalties awarded by Pawson for Ajax tonight - anyone shed any light??
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TundeP on Tue 13 Aug 2019 22:18
They were given for a push, a handball and holding in the penalty area. According to a more expert member on another forum, they were all correct and brave decisions; I fully agree.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Wed 14 Aug 2019 07:26
Refereeing highlights of Craig Pawson's performance in AFC Ajax v PAOK FC

https://vk.com/video424113568_456239050
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Toprefm on Wed 14 Aug 2019 15:04
They were given for a push, a handball and holding in the penalty area. According to a more expert member on another forum, they were all correct and brave decisions; I fully agree.

Having just seen the Youtube highlights all looked correct. No major protests from the PAOK players. Craig looked calm, assured and nice to see him a lot closer to play which I always thought was his downfall a bit.

Looks a good performance from the highlights
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Wed 14 Aug 2019 15:46
There is too much talk on Greek media about Pawson's performance. PAOK fans are furious about his performance and the 3 penalties. They even made a Twitter hashtag #UEFAMAFIA.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TundeP on Wed 14 Aug 2019 16:00
I have seen some of the reaction, and it is somewhat scary. He might have missed cautions for Ajax players, but this is equally true for PAOK players. And in my opinion all three penalties were correct.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TundeP on Wed 14 Aug 2019 16:07
And look at this.This is an official statement from an English firm, Osmo UK, whose employee, also called Craig Pawson, have been continuously targeted in the social media since yesterday.

Beautiful, isn't it?

"Official Statement from Osmo UK

We would like to take this opportunity to inform those who have spent the last 14 hours attacking Craig Pawson, his wife, friends and family on social media that the person you are tagging in your posts is not the Football Referee who officiated the match between Ajax vs PAOK last night, but is instead a staff member at Osmo UK.

We would like to urge everyone who has been involved in these abusive, destructive and malicious posts to understand that our colleague, Craig Pawson has no ties of any kind to football, and ask these PAOK FC fans to stop tagging him in any further aggressive social media posts."
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Sun 18 Aug 2019 09:18
PLAY-OFF ROUND (First Legs)

20 August 2019, 21:00 CET - Cluj-Napoca (Stadionul Dr. Constantin Rădulescu)
CFR Cluj 1907 Cluj (ROU) - SK Slavia Praha (CZE)
Referee: Cüneyt Çakır (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Bahattin Duran (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Tarık Ongun (TUR)
Fourth Official: Hüseyin Göçek (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ali Palabıyık (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Eugen Strigel (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Thibault De Gendt (BEL)

20 August 2019, 21:00 CET - Nicosia (Stádio GSP)
APOEL FC (CYP) - AFC Ajax (NED)
Referee: Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devís (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez del Palomar (ESP)
Fourth Official: José Luis Munuera Montero (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoetxea (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jesús Gil Manzano (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Konrad Plautz (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Iveta Bankova (BUL)

20 August 2019, 21:00 CET - Linz (Stadion der Stadt Linz)
Linzer ASK (AUT) - Club Brugge (BEL)
Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Paweł Sokolnicki (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
Fourth Official: Tomasz Musiał (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Herbert Fandel (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Graham Hover (ENG)

21 August 2019, 21:00 CET - Zagreb (Stadion Maksimir)
GNK Dinamo (CRO) - Rosenborg BK (NOR)
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Lorenzo Manganelli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Oğuz Sarvan (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Mirosław Ryszka (POL)

21 August 2019, 21:00 CET - Berne (Stade de Suisse Wankdorf)
BSC Young Boys (SUI) - FK Crvena zvezda (SRB)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Mario Diks (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Kevin Blom (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kýros Vasáras (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: Joăo Morais (POR)

21 August 2019, 21:00 CET - Piraeus (Stádio Geórgios Karaďskákis)
Olympiakós FC (GRE) - FC Krasnodar (RUS)
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Emil Božinovski (MKD)
UEFA Delegate: Peadar Ryan (IRL)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 18 Aug 2019 14:29
The cream of the heavy artillery preside unsurprisingly. Most of the ties have important observers.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Sun 18 Aug 2019 14:54
Vassaras presence on Switzerland could indicate someone like Oliver/Taylor or Collum. I can't imagine that he would go there to observe Brych.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Mon 19 Aug 2019 09:37
So Makkelie on YB-CZ. UEFA is playing safe.

All 6 referees appointed for 1st legs have great VAR experience on their own league. That could rule out the English duo from a 2nd leg appointment.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 19 Aug 2019 10:12
So Makkelie on YB-CZ. UEFA is playing safe.

All 6 referees appointed for 1st legs have great VAR experience on their own league. That could rule out the English duo from a 2nd leg appointment.

It’s a shame that England is so far behind other nations when it comes to VAR experience. The bigger games this season invariably won’t go to Oliver and Taylor. Collum needs more exposure to VAR IMO.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: referee12 on Mon 19 Aug 2019 19:18
unusual not to find any english refs in first leg action possibly a 2nd leg next week
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: referee12 on Mon 19 Aug 2019 19:46
you are probably right thethingfromlewes when i mentioned english refs for 2nd legs when we won't
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Tue 20 Aug 2019 10:40
Turpin has a league match next Wednesday so he is out from CL-EL Play-OFFs. That could open a spot for Taylor/Oliver for a CL match.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: helloworld on Wed 21 Aug 2019 18:18
Is Bjorn Kuipers injured or retired?He has not assigned any matches since the first leg of UCL semi final between Barcelona and Liverpool.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Wed 21 Aug 2019 18:42
Is Bjorn Kuipers injured or retired?He has not assigned any matches since the first leg of UCL semi final between Barcelona and Liverpool.

He's 46 so may have retired over the summer but I don't know. Edy or Vlad will know.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Wed 21 Aug 2019 20:46
Björn is still injured.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Sun 25 Aug 2019 10:37
PLAY-OFF ROUND (Second Legs)

27 August 2019, 21:00 CET - Trondheim (Lerkendal Stadion)
Rosenborg BK (NOR) - GNK Dinamo (CRO) | 0-2
Referee: Ovidiu Alin Hațegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Șovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Eugen Gheorghe (ROU)
Fourth Official: Sebastian Constantin Colțescu (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Gil (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Rainer Koch (GER)

27 August 2019, 21:00 CET - Belgrade (Stadion Rajko Mitić)
FK Crvena zvezda (SRB) - BSC Young Boys (SUI) | 2-2
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG)
Fourth Official: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Luciano Luci (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: David McDowell Zor (SVN)

27 August 2019, 21:00 CET - Krasnodar (Stadion "Krasnodar")
FC Krasnodar (RUS) - Olympiakós FC (GRE) | 0-4
Referee: Damir Skomina (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Jure Praprotnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Robert Vukan (SVN)
Fourth Official: Rade Obrenovič (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Rune Pedersen (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Yariv Teper (ISR)

28 August 2019, 21:00 CET - Prague (Sinobo Stadium)
SK Slavia Praha (CZE) - CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) | 1-0
Referee: Gianluca Rocchi (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Filippo Meli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Giorgio Peretti (ITA)
Fourth Official: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Michael Fabbri (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Tomasz Mikulski (POL)
UEFA Delegate: Nils Řyvind Fisketjřnn (NOR)

28 August 2019, 21:00 CET - Amsterdam (Johan Cruijff ArenA)
AFC Ajax (NED) - APOEL FC (CYP) | 0-0
Referee: Felix Zwayer (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Thorsten Schiffner (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Marco Achmüller (GER)
Fourth Official: Tobias Welz (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Lucílio Cardoso Cortez Batista (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Anton Fagan (SCO)

28 August 2019, 21:00 CET - Brugge (Jan Breydelstadion)
Club Brugge (BEL) - Linzer ASK (AUT) | 1-0
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: William Young (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Eugčne Westerink (NED)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: greeny on Sun 25 Aug 2019 11:09
As I suspected when I saw the VAR assignment for today, Taylor and his team are out in Europe - with a good match too.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: helloworld on Sun 25 Aug 2019 14:31
Thanks for informing!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 26 Aug 2019 14:26
No surprise that the big hitters are out in force. Hategan with an important observer too.
 It’s been a while since we have had a full allocation of FIFA officials from England in a game!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Sun 15 Sep 2019 09:18
GROUP STAGE - MATCHDAY 1

Tuesday 17 September 2019

18:55CET - Milan (Stadio Giuseppe Meazza)
FC Internazionale Milano (ITA) - SK Slavia Praha (CZE)  |  Group F
Referee: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Guillaume Debart (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Julien Pacelli (FRA)
Fourth Official: Amaury Delerue (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Benoît Millot (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimír Medveď (SVK)
UEFA Delegate: Michael Appleby (ENG)

18:55CET - Décines-Charpieu (Groupama Stadium)
Olympique Lyonnais (FRA) - FC Zenit (RUS)  |  Group G
Referee: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Simon Bennett (ENG)
Fourth Official: Andre Marriner (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Craig Pawson (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Zbigniew Przesmycki (POL)
UEFA Delegate: Alojzije Šupraha (CRO)

21:00CET - Salzburg (Red Bull Arena)
FC Red Bull Salzburg (AUT) - KRC Genk (BEL)  |  Group E
Referee: Felix Zwayer (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Thorsten Schiffner (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Marco Achmüller (GER)
Fourth Official: Harm Osmers (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Daniel Siebert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Campbell Ogilvie (SCO)

21:00CET - Naples (Stadio San Paolo)
SSC Napoli (ITA) - Liverpool FC (ITA)  |  Group E
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Martin Petersen (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Peter Fröjdfeldt (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Andrey Medintsev (BUL)

21:00CET - Dortmund (Signal Iduna Park)
Borussia Dortmund (GER) - FC Barcelona (ESP)  |  Group F
Referee: Ovidiu Alin Hațegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Șovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Eugen Gheorghe (ROU)
Fourth Official: Sebastian Constantin Colțescu (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vítor Manuel de Melo Pereira (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Ádonis Prokopíou (CYP)

21:00CET - Lisbon (Estádio do SL Benfica)
SL Benfica (POR) - RB Leipzig (GER)  |  Group G
Referee: Anastásios Sidirópoulos (GRE)
Assistant Referee 1: Polychrónis Kostarás (GRE)
Assistant Referee 2: Lázaros Dimitriádis (GRE)
Fourth Official: Ioánnis Papadópoulos (GRE)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: William Young (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Alfred Ludwig (AUT)

21:00CET - Amsterdam (Johan Cruijff ArenA)
AFC Ajax (NED) - Lille OSC (FRA)  |  Group H
Referee: Srđan Jovanović (SRB)
Assistant Referee 1: Uroš Stojković (SRB)
Assistant Referee 2: Milan Mihajlović (SRB)
Fourth Official: Novak Simović (SRB)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tobias Welz (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Carlos Velasco Carballo (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Kieran O'Connor (WAL)

21:00CET - London (Stamford Bridge)
Chelsea FC (ENG) - Valencia CF (ESP)  |  Group H
Referee: Cüneyt Çakır (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Bahattin Duran (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Tarık Ongun (TUR)
Fourth Official: Hüseyin Göçek (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ali Palabıyık (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Jovan Šurbatović (SRB)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Sun 15 Sep 2019 10:58
Jovanovic, as expected, makes his CL debut. Excellent appointment for Hategan. Normal appointments for Brych and Cakir.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: MichaelRef on Sun 15 Sep 2019 11:15
Super appointment for Hartegan. Heard particurlarly good things about Jovanovic. No surprise with Byrch and Cakir for the English games, safe pairs of hands. Can't say I know a lot about either Buquet or Sidirópoulos.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Sun 15 Sep 2019 11:40
Oliver on one of the earlier games so will try to watch. Considering Attwell/Tierney aren't VARs, I think there's a good chance Anthony Taylor will get a game on the Wednesday. Not sure who will be Fourth Official - I'd say Martin Atkinsonwould be most likely although he is a VAR on Monday night but I guess Oliver is VAR today and refereeing on early evening on Tuesday so that doesn't matter.

Hope Pawson spots any handballs leading to goals!

Good appointment for Jovanović  who impressed me in the U21 Euros.

I wonder who is favourite for PSG V Real Madrid on Wednesday now - Skomina or Rocchi perhaps?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Sun 15 Sep 2019 11:51
Super appointment for Hartegan. Heard particurlarly good things about Jovanovic. No surprise with Byrch and Cakir for the English games, safe pairs of hands. Can't say I know a lot about either Buquet or Sidirópoulos.

Buquet has deserved promotion for many years but at first that was a political choice to strongly push Turpin (different thing is that he proved to be an excellent referee but only after promotion to elite), then Bastien was simply younger and last season Buquet failed in his last game (who knows, maybe he would've been promoted to elite in case of good performance in Sevilla v Slavia Prague). In general, a very safe pair of hands and surely someone stuck between elite and first group.

Sidirópoulos was rightly promoted to elite but never convinced the referee committee in order to get bigger games. He's surely classified as 'lower' elite category along with such names like Aytekin, Karasyov, Královec, etc. It's difficult for him to be prepared for big games as he can't handle such in domestic league, due to enormous pressure from psychofans (setting fire to referees' cars and houses). That's why the Greek federation decided to hire average foreign referees for top clashes instead of their top referees last season. This season, they decided to appoint their referees (till now) but focus is rather on Papadópoulos and non-FIFA referees at the moment. Surely edy will correct me if I'm wrong. All Sidirópoulos' games in UEFA competitions should be deemed as tests / occasion to prove he's up to the task, and in general I think he is but the above mentioned factors have impact on him.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ajb95 on Sun 15 Sep 2019 14:30
What happened to Kralovec. I remember when he first got to elite he was really good. Last 3/4 years haven’t heard anything? Don’t remember seeing him on any appointments?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Sun 15 Sep 2019 15:06
What happened to Kralovec. I remember when he first got to elite he was really good. Last 3/4 years haven’t heard anything? Don’t remember seeing him on any appointments?

He is injured atm.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Sun 15 Sep 2019 17:22
A point for the admin I think. I wondered why dave26 was talking about 'bad spelling' in Vlad's post. I tried to put in 'informative' and got the same 'bad spelling' (twice) which, fortunately, I was able to undo before it was too late. Keep up the good work Vlad, your posts are always informative
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: JCFC on Sun 15 Sep 2019 17:25
A point for the admin I think. I wondered why dave26 was talking about 'bad spelling' in Vlad's post. I tried to put in 'informative' and got the same 'bad spelling' (twice) which, fortunately, I was able to undo before it was too late. Keep up the good work Vlad, your posts are always informative

And the spelling always immaculate - even with (to us) unusual symbols and accents!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Mon 16 Sep 2019 08:35
GROUP STAGE - MATCHDAY 1

Wednesday 18 September 2019

18:55CET - Bruges (Jan Breydelstadion)
Club Brugge KV (BEL) - Galatasaray (TUR)  |  Group A
Referee: Slavko Vinčič (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaž Klančnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Andraž Kovačič (SVN)
Fourth Official: Nejc Kajtazovič (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Michael Fabbri (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Michael Riley (ENG)
UEFA Delegate: Aristídis Stavrópoulos (GRE)

18:55CET - Piraeus (Stádio Geórgios Karaďskákis)
Olympiakós FC (GRE) - Tottenham Hotspur FC (ENG)  |  Group B
Referee: Gianluca Rocchi (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Filippo Meli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Darko Čeferin (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Jozef Kliment (SVK)

21:00CET - Paris (Parc des Princes)
Paris Saint-Germain FC (FRA) - Real Madrid CF (ESP)  |  Group A
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG)
Fourth Official: Martin Atkinson (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Herbert Fandel (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Rainer Koch (GER)

21:00CET - Munich (Allianz Arena)
FC Bayern München (GER) - FK Crvena zvezda (SRB)  |  Group B
Referee: Robert Madden (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: David Roome (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: Douglas Ross (SCO)
Fourth Official: Kevin Clancy (SCO)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Johan Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Luciano Luci (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Danilo Filacchione (ITA)

21:00CET - Kharkiv (Oblasnyy Sportyvnyy Kompleks „Metalist”)
FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) - Manchester City FC (ENG)  |  Group C
Referee: Artur Manuel Ribeiro Soares Dias (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Rui Licínio Barbosa Tavares (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Paulo Alexandre dos Santos Soares (POR)
Fourth Official: Hugo Filipe Ferreira de Campos Moreira Miguel (POR)
Video Assistant Referee: Tiago Bruno Lopes Martins (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Joăo Pedro da Silva Pinheiro (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Lutz Michael Fröhlich (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Balázs Makray (HUN)

21:00CET - Zagreb (Stadion Maksimir)
GNK Dinamo (CRO) - Atalanta BC (ITA)  |  Group C
Referee: Jesús Gil Manzano (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Diego Barbero Sevilla (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Ángel Nevado Rodríguez (ESP)
Fourth Official: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoetxea (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Stefan Messner (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Metin Kazancıoğlu (TUR)

21:00CET - Madrid (Wanda Metropolitano)
Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) - Juventus FC (ITA)  |  Group D
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Mario Diks (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Siemen Mulder (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bas Nijhuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Lucílio Cardoso Cortez Batista (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Kris Bellon (BEL)

21:00CET - Leverkusen (BayArena)
Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER) - FC Lokomotiv Moskva (RUS)  |  Group D
Referee: Paweł Raczkowski (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Michał Obukowicz (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Radosław Siejka (POL)
Fourth Official: Tomasz Musiał (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Leslie Irvine (NIR)
UEFA Delegate: Crawford Wilson (NIR)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 16 Sep 2019 09:29
Wow! Anthony Taylor!! didn’t see that coming. All the best Ant!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Mon 16 Sep 2019 09:49
The biggest match of the MD goes, deservedly, to Anthony Taylor. Also a very good appointment for Makkelie.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 16 Sep 2019 10:53
Wow - amazing appointment for Anthony Taylor! It suggests he is in a very strong position in UEFA currently and must have a great chance of going to the Euros next summer. I just hope that Michael Oliver does as well!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Bakis on Mon 16 Sep 2019 12:19
Lucky for Douglas Ross that the hiatus in the day job makes him available.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Mon 16 Sep 2019 12:38
A point for the admin I think. I wondered why dave26 was talking about 'bad spelling' in Vlad's post. I tried to put in 'informative' and got the same 'bad spelling' (twice) which, fortunately, I was able to undo before it was too late. Keep up the good work Vlad, your posts are always informative

Maybe flipmode can fix it.  It's beyond me! Vlad is obsessive about getting the spelling right, complete with umlauts and accents etc. Maybe Dave had also clicked informative but it showed the wrong one for him as well and he didn't notice?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 16 Sep 2019 13:41
Lucky for Douglas Ross that the hiatus in the day job makes him available.

I vaguely remember Ross saying a few years ago that he was going to  step down from officiating?

Does he get many international appointments? Who knows, parliament might be recalled by Wednesday night!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: JCFC on Mon 16 Sep 2019 14:02

I vaguely remember Ross saying a few years ago that he was going to  step down from officiating?


He's a politician, though. Can we believe him?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: dave26 on Mon 16 Sep 2019 14:39
A point for the admin I think. I wondered why dave26 was talking about 'bad spelling' in Vlad's post. I tried to put in 'informative' and got the same 'bad spelling' (twice) which, fortunately, I was able to undo before it was too late. Keep up the good work Vlad, your posts are always informative

Think you got the wrong person I haven’t and never have pointed out bad spelling to anyone
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 16 Sep 2019 14:45
A point for the admin I think. I wondered why dave26 was talking about 'bad spelling' in Vlad's post. I tried to put in 'informative' and got the same 'bad spelling' (twice) which, fortunately, I was able to undo before it was too late. Keep up the good work Vlad, your posts are always informative

Think you got the wrong person I haven’t and never have pointed out bad spelling to anyone

See reply 49 in this thread. I think the suggestion is this was not intentionally done so could be a gremlin in the system somewhere.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Hertsref123 on Mon 16 Sep 2019 15:26
Great appointment for Taylor.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Mon 16 Sep 2019 15:34
A point for the admin I think. I wondered why dave26 was talking about 'bad spelling' in Vlad's post. I tried to put in 'informative' and got the same 'bad spelling' (twice) which, fortunately, I was able to undo before it was too late. Keep up the good work Vlad, your posts are always informative

Think you got the wrong person I haven’t and never have pointed out bad spelling to anyone

It seems the informative button has been having a mad 5 mins and shown bad spelling instead of informative - as Reading fan says - see post 49. You show as having used the bad spelling button on Vlads post but I suspect that's not the one that you hit!!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: dave26 on Mon 16 Sep 2019 16:39
A point for the admin I think. I wondered why dave26 was talking about 'bad spelling' in Vlad's post. I tried to put in 'informative' and got the same 'bad spelling' (twice) which, fortunately, I was able to undo before it was too late. Keep up the good work Vlad, your posts are always informative

Think you got the wrong person I haven’t and never have pointed out bad spelling to anyone

Correct

It seems the informative button has been having a mad 5 mins and shown bad spelling instead of informative - as Reading fan says - see post 49. You show as having used the bad spelling button on Vlads post but I suspect that's not the one that you hit!!

Correct Bmb Apologies to Vlad and others of it has been taken that way
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 16 Sep 2019 16:40
The biggest match of the MD goes, deservedly, to Anthony Taylor. Also a very good appointment for Makkelie.

Fandel observing too.. a great chance to impress. It’s clear that Rosetti is swaying towards Taylor as the no 1 in England. I disagree if that sentiment is reality, as I think Oliver is ahead of Taylor in the pecking order.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Hendo on Mon 16 Sep 2019 17:04
The biggest match of the MD goes, deservedly, to Anthony Taylor. Also a very good appointment for Makkelie.

Fandel observing too.. a great chance to impress. It’s clear that Rosetti is swaying towards Taylor as the no 1 in England. I disagree if that sentiment is reality, as I think Oliver is ahead of Taylor in the pecking order.

Me too, can’t see the hype in a Taylor. For me Oliver is streets ahead and always has been.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Bielsa’s Bucket on Mon 16 Sep 2019 17:11
Does Vlad or Edy know why Rossetti views Taylor as no1 as for me it’s clear to see Oliver is far far better than Taylor
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 16 Sep 2019 17:16
I too rate Oliver the higher although I think Taylor has been in very good form recently and can certainly put in excellent performances.

I'd be open to both Oliver and Taylor going to the Euros next summer as I think that both are probably in the best 18 referees in Europe right now.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Mon 16 Sep 2019 18:11
IMO, Taylor simply suits better to the UEFA style of refereeing. Always focused, quickly making (big) decisions, firmer presence and less error-prone than Oliver so far what could be the most important factor. I already wrote that somewhere that Oliver is clearly ahead of Taylor in Premier League but it's the other way round in UEFA. In addition, Oliver has much time to develope in UEFA (34yo) while Taylor is already 41yo.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: greeny on Mon 16 Sep 2019 18:15
From what I've seen so far this season, Taylor has been better than Oliver (though Oliver has been pretty good himself), and this is very much a deserved appointment.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Mon 16 Sep 2019 19:48
IMO Oliver still pays the Real-Juve QF. It was a silly decision to appoint him on that match since he was clearly not ready. UEFA doesn't want their referees to create fuss.

Taylor has been really impressive those last months. He surely has Rosetti's trust and I think that he may be a candidate for a Final already.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Bielsa’s Bucket on Mon 16 Sep 2019 20:30
IMO Oliver still pays the Real-Juve QF. It was a silly decision to appoint him on that match since he was clearly not ready. UEFA doesn't want their referees to create fuss.

Taylor has been really impressive those last months. He surely has Rosetti's trust and I think that he may be a candidate for a Final already.
IMO Oliver had a good game that night and he was completely in the right to dismiss Buffon surely a referee shouldn’t pay for making a correct decision even if it creates attention. I agree that Taylor has somewhat improved the last few months but Oliver is still the best by far imo.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 16 Sep 2019 20:30
IMO Oliver still pays the Real-Juve QF. It was a silly decision to appoint him on that match since he was clearly not ready. UEFA doesn't want their referees to create fuss.

Taylor has been really impressive those last months. He surely has Rosetti's trust and I think that he may be a candidate for a Final already.

Please enlighten me if I'm wrong edy, but what fuss was there that Michael Oliver caused in this particular game? IMO he refereed the game to a very good standard and got the KMI right at the end spot on. The only fuss was caused by raging footballers wrongly abusing a match official for making a correct decision.
Whether he was 'ready' is of course another debate to be had, and I agree Oliver has far more years ahead of him. But to put Taylor as a favourite for a final is really kind of laughable (IMO)!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: BabyRef on Mon 16 Sep 2019 21:37
Agree that Oliver is way ahead of Taylor
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Ref Fan on Mon 16 Sep 2019 21:39
Perhaps the 'fuss' was awarding the penalty in the first place although the decision was subsequently deemed to be correct by Collina as I recall.  Of course, had Oliver 'ducked' the decision, then isn't it likely Real Madrid might have created a 'fuss'?  Can't help thinking if another referee had made the same penalty decision and sent off Buffon, he might have been applauded for it.

I have no problem with posters expressing an opinion criticising an English referee in European games but it would be appreciated if they could also mention when the same referee has a decent performance.  From what I've read and seen, Oliver has done just that on several occasions.

That said, I can understand why UEFA might like Taylor's style of refereeing, but also why PGMOL could now prefer Oliver. (I think it was Whistleblower who commented on this a few months ago). It should also be pointed out that Oliver has had some decent FIFA appointments.  I'd accept Taylor going to the Euros if Oliver gets the World Cup appointment.

   
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Tue 17 Sep 2019 00:00
IMO Oliver still pays the Real-Juve QF. It was a silly decision to appoint him on that match since he was clearly not ready. UEFA doesn't want their referees to create fuss.

Taylor has been really impressive those last months. He surely has Rosetti's trust and I think that he may be a candidate for a Final already.

Fuss? I would say he made a personally credible decision that many people regarded as being correct and received death threats because of it. I certainly don't think it's something that should be affecting his career almost 18 months on. Skomina gave a worse performance in a Man City game last season and there was a fair amount of fuss after the PSG V Man Utd game but he got the CL final.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Tue 17 Sep 2019 00:02
IMO, Taylor simply suits better to the UEFA style of refereeing. Always focused, quickly making (big) decisions, firmer presence and less error-prone than Oliver so far what could be the most important factor. I already wrote that somewhere that Oliver is clearly ahead of Taylor in Premier League but it's the other way round in UEFA. In addition, Oliver has much time to develope in UEFA (34yo) while Taylor is already 41yo.

An interesting summary. In terms of styles, I guess I would say Taylor's is more similar to Webb's and Oliver's is more similar to Clattenburg's. I always slightly preferred Clattenburg to Webb and equally slightly prefer Oliver to Taylor although much of that is just personal preference.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
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Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Tue 17 Sep 2019 20:19
IMO Oliver still pays the Real-Juve QF. It was a silly decision to appoint him on that match since he was clearly not ready. UEFA doesn't want their referees to create fuss.

Taylor has been really impressive those last months. He surely has Rosetti's trust and I think that he may be a candidate for a Final already.

Please enlighten me if I'm wrong edy, but what fuss was there that Michael Oliver caused in this particular game? IMO he refereed the game to a very good standard and got the KMI right at the end spot on. The only fuss was caused by raging footballers wrongly abusing a match official for making a correct decision.
Whether he was 'ready' is of course another debate to be had, and I agree Oliver has far more years ahead of him. But to put Taylor as a favourite for a final is really kind of laughable (IMO)!

I didn't comment on the decision but that decision created the media and fans outrage. It reminded me the Cakir/Nani incident on the 2012-13 season. A decision which wasn't clear for UEFA (it was incoclusive even on the next RAP) and yet Cakir missed the CL final as a result of that. His observer had backed him on the report (Collina again) but that was his last appointment for that season.

And I didn't make Taylor favorite for a final. I merely suggested that UEFA might have big plans for him.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Tue 17 Sep 2019 20:59
Thought Oliver and his team had an excellent game in Lyon earlier.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Sun 29 Sep 2019 09:16
GROUP STAGE - MATCHDAY 2

Tuesday 1 October 2019

18:55CET - Madrid (Estadio Santiago Bernabéu)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Club Brugge KV (BEL)  |  Group A
Referee: Georgi Kabakov (BUL)
Assistant Referee 1: Martin Margaritov (BUL)
Assistant Referee 2: Diyan Valkov (BUL)
Fourth Official: Stanislav Todorov (BUL)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Domenico Messina (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Thura Win (ENG)

18:55CET - Milan (Stadio Giuseppe Meazza)
Atalanta BC (ITA) - FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR)  |  Group C
Referee: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mike Pickel (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Fourth Official: Marco Fritz (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Felix Zwayer (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marc Batta (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Haris Gvozden (BIH)

21:00CET - Istanbul (Ali Sami Yen Spor Kompleksi Türk Telekom Stadyumu)
Galatasaray (TUR) - Paris Saint-Germain FC (FRA)  |  Group A
Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Paweł Sokolnicki (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
Fourth Official: Tomasz Musiał (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alexandru Deaconu (ROU)
UEFA Delegate: Bernhard Neuhold (AUT)

21:00CET - Belgrade (Stadion Rajko Mitić)
FK Crvena zvezda (SRB) - Olympiakós FC (GRE)  |  Group B
Referee: Benoît Bastien (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Hicham Zakrani (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Frédéric Haquette (FRA)
Fourth Official: Amaury Delerue (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Benoît Millot (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Karen Nalbandyan (ARM)
UEFA Delegate: Peter Lundström (FIN)

21:00CET - London (Tottenham Hotspur Stadium)
Tottenham Hotspur FC (ENG) - FC Bayern München (GER)  |  Group B
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Frank Schneider (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Šajn (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Nils Řyvind Fisketjřnn (NOR)

21:00CET - Manchester (Etihad Stadium)
Manchester City FC (ENG) - GNK Dinamo (CRO)  |  Group C
Referee: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Charles Schaap (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED)
Fourth Official: Kevin Blom (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bas Nijhuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bertrand Layec (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Rudolf Řepka (CZE)

21:00CET - Moscow (Stadion "Lokomotiv")
FC Lokomotiv Moskva (RUS) - Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP)  |  Group D
Referee: Orel Grinfeld (ISR)
Assistant Referee 1: Roi Hasan (ISR)
Assistant Referee 2: Idan Yarkoni (ISR)
Fourth Official: Roi Reinshreiber (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Joăo Pedro da Silva Pinheiro (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tiago Bruno Lopes Martins (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sándor Piller (HUN)
UEFA Delegate: Márton Esterházy (HUN)

21:00CET - Turin (Juventus Stadium)
Juventus FC (ITA) - Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER)  |  Group D
Referee: William Collum (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Francis Connor (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: David McGeachie (SCO)
Fourth Official: Nicolas Walsh (SCO)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Oğuz Sarvan (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Zoran Cvrk (CRO)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 29 Sep 2019 13:40
Stieler with an important observer to his game. I guess they’ll only be at most one English representative in Europe this week given Attwell and Tierney are VAR to Collum.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Mon 30 Sep 2019 09:20
GROUP STAGE - MATCHDAY 2

Wednesday 2 October 2019

18:55CET - Genk (Luminus Arena)
KRC Genk (BEL) - SSC Napoli (ITA)  |  Group E
Referee: István Kovács (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Vasile Florin Marinescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Mihai Ovidiu Artene (ROU)
Fourth Official: Ionuț Marius Avram (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tobias Welz (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kóstas Kapitanís (CYP)
UEFA Delegate: Eduard Dervishaj Nelaj (ESP)

18:55CET - Prague (Sinobo Stadium)
SK Slavia Praha (CZE) - Borussia Dortmund (GER)  |  Group F
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Allard Lindhout (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Johan Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Markus Nobs (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Irakli Nakaidze (GEO)

21:00CET - Liverpool (Anfield)
Liverpool FC (ENG) - FC Red Bull Salzburg (AUT)  |  Group E
Referee: Andreas Ekberg (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Mehmet Culum (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Hallberg (SWE)
Fourth Official: Kristoffer Karlsson (SWE)
Video Assistant Referee: Jesús Gil Manzano (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoetxea (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Tammo Beishuizen (NED)

21:00CET - Barcelona (Camp Nou)
FC Barcelona (ESP) - FC Internazionale Milano (ITA)  |  Group F
Referee: Damir Skomina (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Jure Praprotnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Robert Vukan (SVN)
Fourth Official: Rade Obrenovič (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Slavko Vinčič (SVN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Terje Hauge (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Angelo Chetcuti (MLT)

21:00CET - St Petersburg (Gazprom Arena)
FC Zenit (RUS) - SL Benfica (POR)  |  Group G
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jan Willem Wegereef (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Charles Schaack (LUX)

21:00CET - Leipzig (Red Bull Arena)
RB Leipzig (GER) - Olympique Lyonnais (FRA)  |  Group G
Referee: Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devís (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez del Palomar (ESP)
Fourth Official: José Luis Munuera Montero (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Xavier Estrada Fernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Haim Jakov (ISR)
UEFA Delegate: Radenko Mijatovič (SVN)

21:00CET - Valčncia (Mestalla, Camp del Valčncia)
Valencia CF (ESP) - AFC Ajax (NED)  |  Group H
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Fabiano Preti (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Michael Fabbri (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sergey Zuyev (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: Bernd Barutta (GER)

21:00CET - Villeneuve-d'Ascq (Stade Pierre Mauroy)
Lille OSC (FRA) - Chelsea FC (ENG)  |  Group H
Referee: Aliaksiej Kuĺbakoŭ (BLR)
Assistant Referee 1: Dzmitryj Žuk (BLR)
Assistant Referee 2: Alieh Maslianka (BLR)
Fourth Official: Dzianis Ščarbakoŭ (BLR)
Video Assistant Referee: Artur Manuel Ribeiro Soares Dias (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Luís Miguel de Branco Godinho (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Eugen Strigel (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Milovan Đukanović (MNE)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Toprefm on Mon 30 Sep 2019 09:46
Stieler with an important observer to his game. I guess they’ll only be at most one English representative in Europe this week given Attwell and Tierney are VAR to Collum.

Stuart has a Europa League match (in Turkey). Craig Pawson is in France

When would they normally fly out to a Thursday evening game?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 30 Sep 2019 12:43
Ekberg under the Dallas radar, and Kovacs with an important observer too.

Fairly routine games for Kuipers and Skomina.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Wed 02 Oct 2019 16:25
Not worth a separate thread in my view, but I thought Clement Turpin had a good game at Tottenham last night. Pity the Spurs defence couldn't have been the same!  :(

I didn't see anything of the Man City game but Peter Walton, reporting in The Times, suggested that Man City should have had two first half penalties via VAR. The first was when Theophile-Catherine hung out his arm and clearly handled Mendy's cross and the second was when Peric missed a tackle on Aguero and stood on the striker's foot. The first incident appeared to be missed by VAR and 'inexplicably' (in PW's view), VAR did not intervene in the second.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Sun 20 Oct 2019 09:31
GROUP STAGE - MATCHDAY 3

Group C
22 October 2019, 18:55 CET - Kharkiv (Oblasnyy sportyvnyy kompleks "Metalist")
FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) - GNK Dinamo (CRO)
Referee: Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devís (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez del Palomar (ESP)
Fourth Official: José Luis Munuera Montero (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Teodoro Sobrino Magán (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vítor Manuel de Melo Pereira (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Christian Mutschler (SUI)

Group D
22 October 2019, 18:55 CET - Madrid (Wanda Metropolitano)
Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) - Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER)
Referee: Artur Manuel Ribeiro Soares Dias (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Rui Licínio Barbosa Tavares (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Paulo Alexandre dos Santos Soares (POR)
Fourth Official: António Emanuel de Carvalho Nobre (POR)
Video Assistant Referee: Tiago Bruno Lopes Martins (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Hugo Filipe Ferreira de Campos Moreira Miguel (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sergey Zuyev (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: David McDowell Zor (SVN)

Group A
22 October 2019, 21:00 CET - Istanbul (Ali Sami Yen Spor Kompleksi – Türk Telekom Stadyumu)
Galatasaray (TUR) - Real Madrid CF (ESP)
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Lorenzo Manganelli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Michael Fabbri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Davide Massa (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sándor Piller (HUN)
UEFA Delegate: Jacques Antenen (SUI)

Group A
22 October 2019, 21:00 CET - Bruges (Jan Breydelstadion)
Club Brugge KV (BEL) - Paris Saint-Germain FC (FRA)
Referee: Daniel Siebert (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Jan Seidel (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Marco Fritz (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mark Borsch (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Nebojša Ivković (SRB)

Group B
22 October 2019, 21:00 CET - London (Tottenham Hotspur Stadium)
Tottenham Hotspur FC (ENG) - FK Crvena zvezda (SRB)
Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Filippo Meli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
Fourth Official: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Gianluca Rocchi (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Stefano Alassio (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marc Batta (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Per Eliasson (SWE)

Group B
22 October 2019, 21:00 CET - Piraeus (Stádio Geórgios Karaďskákis)
Olympiakós FC (GRE) - FC Bayern München (GER)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Mario Diks (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Kevin Blom (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bas Nijhuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Leslie Irvine (NIR)
UEFA Delegate: Claude Runavot (FRA)

Group C
22 October 2019, 21:00 CET - Manchester (Etihad Stadium)
Manchester City FC (ENG) - Atalanta BC (ITA)
Referee: Orel Grinfeld (ISR)
Assistant Referee 1: Roi Hasan (ISR)
Assistant Referee 2: Idan Yarkoni (ISR)
Fourth Official: Eitan Shmuelevitz (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Joăo Pedro da Silva Pinheiro (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Roi Reinshreiber (ISR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Eugen Strigel (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Roland Tis (BEL)

Group D
22 October 2019, 21:00 CET - Turin (Juventus Stadium)
Juventus (ITA) - FC Lokomotiv Moskva (RUS)
Referee: Anastásios Sidirópoulos (GRE)
Assistant Referee 1: Polychrónis Kostarás (GRE)
Assistant Referee 2: Lázaros Dimitriádis (GRE)
Fourth Official: Ioánnis Papadópoulos (GRE)
Video Assistant Referee: Felix Zwayer (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Achmüller (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Karen Nalbandyan (ARM)
UEFA Delegate: Dennis Cruise (IRL)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Mon 21 Oct 2019 09:31
Group G
23 October 2019, 18:55 CET - Leipzig (Red Bull Arena)
RB Leipzig (GER) - FC Zenit (RUS)
Referee: Ali Palabıyık (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Mustafa Emre Eyisoy (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Serkan Olguncan (TUR)
Fourth Official: Halis Özkahya (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Tormod Larsen (NOR)

Group H
23 October 2019, 18:55 CET - Amsterdam (Johan Cruijff ArenA)
AFC Ajax (NED) - Chelsea FC (ENG)
Referee: Ovidiu Alin Hațegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Şovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Eugen Gheorghe (ROU)
Fourth Official: Sebastian Constantin Colțescu (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bo Karlsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Iva Olivari (CRO)

Group E
23 October 2019, 21:00 CET - Genk (Luminus Arena)
KRC Genk (BEL) - Liverpool FC (ENG)
Referee: Slavko Vinčič (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaž Klančnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Andraž Kovačič (SVN)
Fourth Official: Rade Obrenovič (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jure Praprotnik (SVN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alain Hamer (LUX)
UEFA Delegate: Loukás Siótropos (GRE)

Group E
23 October 2019, 21:00 CET - Salzburg (Red Bull Arena)
FC Red Bull Salzburg (AUT) - SSC Napoli (ITA)
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Frank Schneider (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Benoît Millot (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Martin Ingvarsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Ronald Zimmermann (GER)

Group F
23 October 2019, 21:00 CET - Prague (Sinobo Stadium)
SK Slavia Praha (CZE) - FC Barcelona (ESP)
Referee: Robert Madden (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Graeme Stewart (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: David Roome (SCO)
Fourth Official: Kevin Clancy (SCO)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Joost van Zuilen (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Stávros Tritsónis (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: Tarik Shamel (ENG)

Group F
23 October 2019, 21:00 CET - Milan (Stadio Giuseppe Meazza)
FC Internazionale Milano (ITA) - Borussia Dortmund (GER)
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG)
Fourth Official: David Coote (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Martin Sturkenboom (NED)

Group G
23 October 2019, 21:00 CET - Lisbon (Estádio do SL Benfica)
SL Benfica (POR) - Olympique Lyonnais (FRA)
Referee: Ivan Kružliak (SVK)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomáš Somoláni (SVK)
Assistant Referee 2: Branislav Hancko (SVK)
Fourth Official: Peter Kráľovič (SVK)
Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Raczkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kýros Vassáras (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: Clive Whitehead (ENG)

Group H
23 October 2019, 21:00 CET - Villeneuve-d'Ascq (Stade Pierre Mauroy)
Lille OSC (FRA) - Valencia CF (ESP)
Referee: Deniz Aytekin (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Eduard Beitinger (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Rafael Foltyn (GER)
Fourth Official: Sven Jablonski (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Boris Stankov (BUL)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 21 Oct 2019 12:51
Some very important observers watching, notably for  Palabıyık and Kruzliak.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Mon 21 Oct 2019 14:26
UCL debut for 38yo Ali Palabıyık.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 21 Oct 2019 15:15
Another good appointment for Taylor.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: referee12 on Tue 22 Oct 2019 19:23
No game in this match day for Oliver I expect Pawson is getting himself ready for being a v.r so probably not being risked
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Sun 03 Nov 2019 09:19
GROUP STAGE - MATCHDAY 4

Tuesday 5 November 2019

18:55 CET - Barcelona (Camp Nou)
FC Barcelona (ESP) - SK Slavia Praha (CZE)  |  Group F
Referee: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Simon Bennett (ENG)
Fourth Official: Andrew Madley (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Lee Betts (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Luciano Luci (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: David Findlay (SCO)

18:55 CET - St Petersburg (Gazprom Arena)
FC Zenit (RUS) - RB Leipzig (GER)  |  Group G
Referee: Orel Grinfeld (ISR)
Assistant Referee 1: Roi Hasan (ISR)
Assistant Referee 2: Idan Yarkoni (ISR)
Fourth Official: Eitan Shmuelevitz (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Joăo Pedro da Silva Pinheiro (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Roi Reinshreiber (ISR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alexandru Deaconu (ROU)
UEFA Delegate: Velid Imamović (BIH)

21:00 CET - Liverpool (Anfield)
Liverpool FC (ENG) - KRC Genk (BEL)  |  Group E
Referee: Ivan Kružliak (SVK)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomáš Somoláni (SVK)
Assistant Referee 2: Branislav Hancko (SVK)
Fourth Official: Filip Flova (SVK)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Stefan Messner (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Petr Fousek (CZE)

21:00 CET - Naples (Stadio San Paolo)
SSC Napoli (ITA) - FC Red Bull Salzburg (AUT)  |  Group E
Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Paweł Sokolnicki (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
Fourth Official: Tomasz Musiał (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marcin Borkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: William Young (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Joăo Morais (POR)

21:00 CET - Dortmund (Signal-Iduna-Park)
Borussia Dortmund (GER) - FC Internazionale Milano (ITA)  |  Group F
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Mario Diks (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Kevin Blom (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bas Nijhuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nikolay Levnikov (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: Peadar Ryan (IRL)

21:00 CET - Décines-Charpieu (Groupama Stadium)
Olympique Lyonnais (FRA) - SL Benfica (POR)  |  Group G
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Joost van Zuilen (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alfredo Trentalange (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Bakar Jordania (GEO)

21:00 CET - Valčncia (Mestalla, camp del Valčncia)
Valencia CF (ESP) - Lille OSC (FRA)  |  Group H
Referee: Sergey Karasyov (RUS)
Assistant Referee 1: Igor Demeshko (RUS)
Assistant Referee 2: Maksim Gavrilin (RUS)
Fourth Official: Sergey Ivanov (RUS)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Vitaliy Meshkov (RUS)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jaap Uilenberg (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Kazimierz Oleszek (POL)

21:00 CET - London (Stamford Bridge)
Chelsea FC (ENG) - AFC Ajax (NED)  |  Group H
Referee: Gianluca Rocchi (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Filippo Meli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Giorgio Peretti (ITA)
Fourth Official: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimír Medveď (SVK)
UEFA Delegate: Dag Steinar Vestlund (NOR)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ajb95 on Sun 03 Nov 2019 10:36
Who’s karasov?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Sun 03 Nov 2019 11:35
Sergey Karasyov, most often spelled as Karasev, Elite Category referee from Russia.

The Russian spelling is Карасёв, not Карасев. Therefore, it should be transcribed as Karasyov, not Karasev, the former being much closer to original pronunciation than the latter.

You can check the pronunciation here:
https://forvo.com/word/%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%91%D0%B2/
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: AG1983 on Sun 03 Nov 2019 13:11
Is it usual for the AVAR to be an AR, as thought it was normally a ref, but Lee Betts is with Michael Oliver this week.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Sun 03 Nov 2019 13:34
Is it usual for the AVAR to be an AR, as thought it was normally a ref, but Lee Betts is with Michael Oliver this week.

I was thinking that.

Perhaps it indicates the lack of English FIFA referees. If Attwell/Tierney are out on Wednesday or Thursday - eitehr as VARs in Champions League or refereeing in Europa League - then it might be they're struggling for numbers with Pawson away currently.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 03 Nov 2019 14:01
Madley for a shiny white badge in 2020?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Sun 03 Nov 2019 15:04
Madley for a shiny white badge in 2020?

I think they've got to do a full season in the top domestic season first, so I'd guess January 2021 would be more likely.

I think Coote will be added to the FIFA list at the start of 2020 - one presumes Hooper won't be.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 03 Nov 2019 16:21
Madley for a shiny white badge in 2020?

I think they've got to do a full season in the top domestic season first, so I'd guess January 2021 would be more likely.

I think Coote will be added to the FIFA list at the start of 2020 - one presumes Hooper won't be.

Given Hooper sporadic appearances in the PL i would guess not. The greater question is whether he should be in SG1 anyway! The answer to that is pretty conclusive.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: referee12 on Sun 03 Nov 2019 20:07
the answer to the question of hooper being in sg1 is no as one week he's doing a prem game the next he's doing a championship game-should stay in sg2 as he does more championship games than sg1 games does anybody think langford should jump into sg1 category?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Hendo on Sun 03 Nov 2019 21:32
the answer to the question of hooper being in sg1 is no as one week he's doing a prem game the next he's doing a championship game-should stay in sg2 as he does more championship games than sg1 games does anybody think langford should jump into sg1 category?


No - Langford too inconsistent. The fact that he had a good game at Chelsea when covering for Graham Scott seems to have clouded peoples judgement.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Hertsref123 on Sun 03 Nov 2019 21:50
the answer to the question of hooper being in sg1 is no as one week he's doing a prem game the next he's doing a championship game-should stay in sg2 as he does more championship games than sg1 games does anybody think langford should jump into sg1 category?

No, the likes of Jones, Robinson, England. Should Go up first.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: kelxref on Sun 03 Nov 2019 22:03

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Is it usual for the AVAR to be an AR, as thought it was normally a ref, but Lee Betts is with Michael Oliver this week.

I was thinking that.

Perhaps it indicates the lack of English FIFA referees. If Attwell/Tierney are out on Wednesday or Thursday - eitehr as VARs in Champions League or refereeing in Europa League - then it might be they're struggling for numbers with Pawson away currently.

Perhaps it’s a change in policy for countries that are using VAR in their domestic leagues. In some of the other appointments on Tuesday (eg Makkelie and Rocchi), FIFA ARs are being used assistant VARs as well.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: kelxref on Sun 03 Nov 2019 22:05
Sorry meant Kuipers game not Makkelie’s.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Mon 04 Nov 2019 09:30
Wednesday 6 November 2019

18:55 CET - Munich (Allianz-Arena)
FC Bayern München (GER) - Olympiakós FC (GRE)  |  Group B
Referee: Paweł Raczkowski (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Michał Obukowicz (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Radosław Siejka (POL)
Fourth Official: Krzysztof Jakubik (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Frank De Bleeckere (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: Luca Zorzi (SUI)

18:55 CET - Moscow (RZhD Arena)
FC Lokomotiv Moskva (RUS) - Juventus FC (ITA)  |  Group D
Referee: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Guillaume Debart (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Julien Pacelli (FRA)
Fourth Official: Frank Schneider (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Benoît Millot (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kóstas Kapitanís (CYP)
UEFA Delegate: Ţórir Ţormar Hákonarson (ISL)

21:00 CET - Madrid (Estadio Santiago Bernabéu)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Galatasaray (TUR)  |  Group A
Referee: Felix Zwayer (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Thorsten Schiffner (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Marco Achmüller (GER)
Fourth Official: Patrick Ittrich (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Daniel Siebert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marc Batta (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Eugčne Westerink (NED)

21:00 CET - Paris (Parc des Princes)
Paris Saint-Germain FC (FRA) - Club Brugge KV (BEL)  |  Group A
Referee: Robert Madden (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Graeme Stewart (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: David Roome (SCO)
Fourth Official: Nicolas Walsh (SCO)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Rune Pedersen (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Jenni Kennedy (ENG)

21:00 CET - Belgrade (Stadion Rajko Mitić)
FK Crvena zvezda (SRB) - Tottenham Hotspur FC (ENG)  |  Group B
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos Yusté Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: José Luis Munuera Montero (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Christian Kofoed (DEN)

21:00 CET - Milan (Stadio Giuseppe Meazza)
Atalanta BC (ITA) - Manchester City FC (ENG)  |  Group C
Referee: Aliaksiej Kuĺbakoŭ (BLR)
Assistant Referee 1: Dzmitryj Žuk (BLR)
Assistant Referee 2: Alieh Maslianka (BLR)
Fourth Official: Dzianis Ščarbakoŭ (BLR)
Video Assistant Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Amaury Delerue (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Terje Hauge (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Jacob Erel (ISR)

21:00 CET - Zagreb (Stadion Maksimir)
GNK Dinamo (CRO) - FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR)  |  Group C
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Sven Jablonski (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Darko Čeferin (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Artur Azaryan (ARM)

21:00 CET - Leverkusen (BayArena)
Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER) - Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP)  |  Group D
Referee: Damir Skomina (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Jure Praprotnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Robert Vukan (SVN)
Fourth Official: Rade Obrenovič (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Slavko Vinčič (SVN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Levan Paniashvili (GEO)
UEFA Delegate: Jean-Paul Mievis (BEL)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Wed 06 Nov 2019 17:15
TV highlights suggest that Michael Oliver had a reasonable game in Barcelona last night. Barce goal was correctly disallowed for offside and Michael was not conned by a dive in the penalty area by a Barce player late in the drawn game. I'm sure Michael will be hoping for similar on Sunday at Anfield.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Wollongong Ref on Wed 06 Nov 2019 22:30
Mr Rocchi has made life hard for himself in the Chelsea v Ajax match. Imagine if he didn't play advantage and stopped the game, awarded the free kick and gave Blind the 2nd yellow card. Personally I thought it was a foul that gave Chelsea the ball but happy to be wrong there.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: RCG on Sun 24 Nov 2019 10:57
Both Taylor and Oliver on Tuesday's group D matches.
Taylor in Turin, Pawson as 4th, Attwell & Tierney with the zapper
Oliver on early ko in Moscow, Coote as 4th, Kavanagh and Betts on VAR duties

Very strong team with Taylor. Assuming Coote may be getting a white christmas present?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 24 Nov 2019 19:05
Group A
26 November 2019, 18:55 CET - Istanbul (Ali Sami Yen Spor Kompleksi)
Galatasaray (TUR) - Club Brugge KV (BEL)
Referee: Ivan Kruzliak (SVK)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaš Somolani (SVK)
Assistant Referee 2: Branislav Hancko (SVK)
Fourth Official: Filip Glova (SVK)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Stefano Alassio (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Elena Kobak (RUS)

Group D
26 November 2019, 18:55 CET -  Moscow (RZhD Arena)
FC Lokomotiv Moskva (RUS) - Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER)
Referee: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Simon Bennett (ENG)
Fourth Official: David Coote (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Lee Betts (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Boško Jovanetić (SRB)
UEFA Delegate: Sviatlana Hrynkevich (BLR)

Group A
26 November 2019, 20:45 CET -  Madrid (Estadio Santiago Bernabéu)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Paris Saint-Germain FC (FRA)
Referee: Artur Manuel Ribeiro Soares Dias(POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Rui Licínio Barbosa Tavares (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Paulo Alexandre dos Santos Soares (POR)
Fourth Official: Fábio José Costa Veríssimo (POR)
Video Assistant Referee: Tiago Bruno Lopes Martins (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Hugo Filipe Ferreira de Campos Moreira Miguel (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Eugen Strigel (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Mike Foster (ENG)

Group B
26 November 2019, 20:45 CET - (Stadion Rajko Mitić)
FK Crvena zvezda (SRB) - FC Bayern München (GER)
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Dennis Johan Higler (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekal (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Joost van Zuilen (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kaj Řstergaard (DEN)
UEFA Delegate: Jack Grundie (NIR)

Group B
26 November 2019, 20:45 CET - London (Tottenham Hotspur Stadium)
Tottenham Hotspur FC (ENG) - Olympiakós FC (GRE)
Referee: Georgi Kabakov (BUL)
Assistant Referee 1: Martin Margaritov (BUL)
Assistant Referee 2: Divan Vŭlkov BUL)
Fourth Official: Nikola Popov (BUL)
Video Assistant Referee: Michael Fabbri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Davide Massa (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Alfred Ludwig (AUT)

Group C
26 November 2019, 20:45 CET - Milan (Stadium Giuseppe Meazza)
Atalanta BC (ITA) - GNK Dinamo (CRO)
Referee: Sergei Karasyov (RUS)
Assistant Referee 1: Igor Demeshko (RUS)
Assistant Referee 2: Maksim Gavrilin (RUS)
Fourth Official: Sergei Ivanov (RUS)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Vitali Meshkov (RUS)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Virgar Hvidbro (FRO)

Group C
26 November 2019, 20:45 CET - Manchester (City of Maahcester Stadium)
Manchester City FC (ENG) - FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR)
Referee: Slavko Vinčić (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaž Klančnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Andraž Kovačič (SVN)
Fourth Official: Rade Obrenovič (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jure Praprotnik (SVN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Medved' (SVK)
UEFA Delegate: José Guilherme Aguiar (POR)

Group D
26 November 2019, 20:45 CET - Turin (Juventus Stadium)
Juventus FC (ITA) - Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP)
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG)
Fourth Official: Craig Pawson (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Haim Jakov (ISR)
UEFA Delegate: Gijs De Jong (NED)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 24 Nov 2019 19:10
Massive game for Taylor. Clearly UEFA rate him higher than Oliver. All England's FIFA referee brigade are out in force, and looks like Coote will be getting a shiny badge in January.

Kabakov under the Dallas radar so a very important observer for him.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ajb95 on Sun 24 Nov 2019 19:23
I think of things work out well for him Taylor could be in like for a semi-final possibly even a final!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Hendo on Sun 24 Nov 2019 19:39
Still baffled by the FIFA preference if Taylor over Oliver. For me the latter is far better but I suppose it’s all down to choice
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: RCG on Sun 24 Nov 2019 19:49
Also I dont think Taylor has had an incident in a high profile games as Oliver did (even though it was correct, powerful forces abound in UEFA)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Hendo on Sun 24 Nov 2019 22:19
Also I dont think Taylor has had an incident in a high profile games as Oliver did (even though it was correct, powerful forces abound in UEFA)


If that really is the case (and I have no reason to doubt it) then it is a very sad and worrying situation because Oliver was brave and correct in sending Buffon off. For the powers that be in the corridors of FIFA to hold this against him is nothing short of criminal
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Ref Fan on Sun 24 Nov 2019 22:30
Hendo, I think the issue is with UEFA. There were suggestions on here a while back that FIFA look more favourably on Oliver.  Whether that still holds I'm not sure.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: RCG on Mon 25 Nov 2019 07:50
Oliver has attended two FIFA world tournaments, if I remember correctly did a semi at one and the final at another
Taylor attended a UEFA tournament and I think he also refereed the final
Would seem one is preferred by one organisation over another
More chance for Taylor to do Champions League final but more likely to see Oliver at the World Cup
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Mon 25 Nov 2019 10:04
When PLC was in charge of UEFA, Oliver was his favorite referee. He did a CL R16 shortly after his promotion to the Elite Group. Now PLC has moved to FIFA.

With Rosetti in charge of UEFA, Taylor has got many significant appointments. It seems that he considers him the best English referee.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 25 Nov 2019 11:51
Group G
27 November 2019, 18:55 CET - St. Petersburg (Gazprom Arena)
FC Zenit (RUS) - Olympique Lyonnais (FRA)
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Lorenzo Manganelli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Levan Paniashvili (GEO)
UEFA Delegate: Jan Damgaard (DEN)

Group H
27 November 2019, 18:55 CET - Valčncia (Mestalla, camp del Valčncia)
Valencia CF (ESP) - Chelsea FC (ENG)
Referee: Felix Zwayer (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Thorsten Schiffner (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Marco Achmüller (GER)
Fourth Official: Harm Osmers (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Daniel Siebert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Michalis Koukoulakis (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: Per Svärd (SWE)

Group E
27 November 2019, 20:45 CET - Liverpool (Anfield)
Liverpool FC (ENG) - SSC Napoli (ITA)
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: José Luis Munuera Montero (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoetxea (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Tomasz Mikulski (POL)
UEFA Delegate: Tobias Wolf (GER)

Group E
27 November 2019, 20:45 CET - Genk (Luminus Arena)
KRC Genk (BEL) - FC Red Bull Salzburg (AUT)
Referee: Mattias Gestranius (FIN)
Assistant Referee 1: Jan-Peter Aravirta (FIN)
Assistant Referee 2: Mikko Alakare (FIN)
Fourth Official: Ville Nevalainen (FIN)
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bas Nijhuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alexandru Deaconu (ROU)
UEFA Delegate: Rainer Koch (GER)

Group F
27 November 2019, 20:45 CET - Barcelona (Camp Nou)
FC Barcelona (ESP) - Borussia Dortmund (GER)
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos /(FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Karim Abed (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Tugomir Frajman (SVN)

Group F
27 November 2019, 20:45 CET - Prague (Eden Arena)
SK Slavia Praha (CZE) - FC Internazionale Milano (ITA)
Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Paweł Sokolnicki (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
Fourth Official: Tomasz Musiał (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marcin Borkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alain Hamer (LUX)
UEFA Delegate: Joël Wolff (LUX)

Group G
27 November 2019, 20:45 CET - Leipzig (Red Bull Arena)
RB Leipzig (GER) - SL Benfica (POR)
Referee: Jesús Gil Manzano (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Diego Barbero Sevilla (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Ángel Nevado Rodríguez (ESP)
Fourth Official: Xavier Estrada Fernández (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Teodoro Sobrino Magán (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jaap Uilenberg (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Sergio Di Cesare (ITA)

Group H
27 November 2019, 20:45 CET - Villeneuve-d'Ascq (Stade Pierre Mauroy)
Lille OSC (FRA) - AFC Ajax (NED)
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Liba (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: John Taylor (SCO)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 25 Nov 2019 11:52
Rosetti observing Turpin is interesting...perhaps he is in contention for a final this year?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Mon 25 Nov 2019 11:58
Probably. When PLC's name appeared on the appointments, there was always a reason.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 25 Nov 2019 13:34
What's happened to Cakir? He doesn't seem to have had a UEFA appointment for ages but has continued refereeing in Turkey I believe?

Regarding Taylor/Oliver, I have always tended to rate significantly higher but in fairness I think Taylor has kicked on a lot over the past season and has performed well in his UEFA appointments (as has Oliver from what I've seen.)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Mon 25 Nov 2019 13:55
Is it a totty watch for bmb at Anfield?  ;D
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Ref Fan on Mon 25 Nov 2019 14:07
When PLC was in charge of UEFA, Oliver was his favorite referee. He did a CL R16 shortly after his promotion to the Elite Group. Now PLC has moved to FIFA.

With Rosetti in charge of UEFA, Taylor has got many significant appointments. It seems that he considers him the best English referee.

An interesting point edy.  Wasn't it Collina that wanted Clattenburg for the Euros in 2016, and as previously commented, the FA (Ellery?) wanted Atkinson so they both went. 

I don't whether it would be a factor, at least not yet, but Taylor is 41 and Oliver only 34, despite their both joining the SG at the same time as I recall. Was it 2010?  Would that mean Taylor has only one chance of the WC in Qatar in 2022, whereas Oliver potentially has two and possibly 3 if he were still eligible
in 2030?

Much as I would prefer both to go to the Euros next year, I'm not sure England would get 2 representatives appointed again, and the evidence does suggest it's more likely to be Taylor. 

Have to say, as Readingfan mentions, that in the European and International games I've seen over the past 12 months, both have had some good performances.  I've not read any reports either to indicate otherwise.   
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Hertsref123 on Mon 25 Nov 2019 14:23
Maybe Rosetti just prefers taylor's style.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: jad on Mon 25 Nov 2019 14:39
Roberto Rosetti comes from Turin.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 25 Nov 2019 14:56
I think Oliver is the strong favourite for 2022 - he's done well at FIFA tournaments and attended a WC seminar earlier in the year I believe.

When I get a moment, I will start a thread about Euro 2020 referees (unless someone gets there first!) I think it's quite possible quite a few countries will have two representatives. if so, then England should have a good chance. If it was just a 'one-off exception' again you'd probably say Netherlands was more likely and Spain/Germany just as likely.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Mon 25 Nov 2019 15:03
When PLC was in charge of UEFA, Oliver was his favorite referee. He did a CL R16 shortly after his promotion to the Elite Group. Now PLC has moved to FIFA.

With Rosetti in charge of UEFA, Taylor has got many significant appointments. It seems that he considers him the best English referee.

An interesting point edy.  Wasn't it Collina that wanted Clattenburg for the Euros in 2016, and as previously commented, the FA (Ellery?) wanted Atkinson so they both went. 


Yes, that's correct. PLC wanted Clattenburg and Elleray wanted Atkinson. They both went.

But there is another factor to consider. There were 18 referees selected and not 12 as on EURO 2012. If the spots were only 12, I would bet that only Clatts would go.

This time we don't know the spots. Don't forget that 12 cities will host Euro matches. So it is possible that the entire Elite category will be chosen.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: RCG on Mon 25 Nov 2019 16:00
Exactly my thinking. No point having an Elite list if its not going to be used
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Tue 26 Nov 2019 15:34
It's an interesting point about the expanded format of Euro 2020 in terms of being across 12 host cities. I think that might increase the number of FOs and VARs (if VAR isn't done from one central location.)

I still think 18 referees is probably about right though - that's 2 games each in the group stage. There shouldn't be any issue with an official refereeing in Baku on the opening Saturday and Bilbao a week later for instance.

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: RCG on Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:11
I would be tempted to add in the R16 games and have 22 refs do 2 games each. Then cut to 8 or 10 refs for the quarter finals onwards.
Will also be interesting to see if there is a CORE VAR team or if each referee will have his (or her) own
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Wed 27 Nov 2019 08:41
I felt the Bulgarian Kabakov was inconsistent in last night's Tottenham game. Examples included the cautioning of Aiderweireid when the Spurs player clearly played the ball and did not touch the Olympiacos player, and a foul given against a Spurs player when the Olympiacos player clearly and deliberately backed into his opponent. I don't think Hugh Dallas would have been too impressed with this performance. One amusing aspect of the cautioning of the Spurs player came when Kabakov proceeded to write down all the details of the perceived foul in his notebook, rather than merely showing the card and noting the player's number. Very old school which was picked up by the BT commentator, but it did mean a further delay in restarting play on a night when free kicks, foam spraying and generally getting players back the required distance resulted in frequent delays in play. A good evening for Spurs and Mourinho (and a certain ball boy) but, oh my, how grateful they must have been to Meriah for kicking thin air rather than the ball in the moments before half time!     
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Ref Fan on Wed 27 Nov 2019 09:27
Thanks AT.  I watched the last 20 minutes or so of Oliver's game.  A few YCs but nothing untoward as far as I could see.

Any other feedback as to how AT & MO got on?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Hendo on Wed 27 Nov 2019 13:35
Thanks AT.  I watched the last 20 minutes or so of Oliver's game.  A few YCs but nothing untoward as far as I could see.

Any other feedback as to how AT & MO got on?

I see there were 39 fouls in Oliver’s game, which seems excessive even by UEFA standards as well as Michaels own. Any particular reason or just a rather niggly  affair?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Wed 27 Nov 2019 14:00
I would be tempted to add in the R16 games and have 22 refs do 2 games each. Then cut to 8 or 10 refs for the quarter finals onwards.
Will also be interesting to see if there is a CORE VAR team or if each referee will have his (or her) own

I struggle to get to 18 referees who I think should go, let alone 22!

The weakest performers in 2016 were the ones you'd expect, Moen etc. It seems a waste to me to only use officials like Brych, Cakir and Skomina twice up to the quarter-finals.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: jad on Wed 27 Nov 2019 14:54
I watched the Juventus – Atl.Madrid on TV, but there is little to report: for a game between an Italian and a Spanish team it was all very calm and straightforward.  There were a few occasions when Mr Taylor waved play on, where he might have given a free kick, but his approach was consistent and even-handed.  He clearly conformed to the commentators' expectations of an English referee.

Edited on 28 Nov.

The newspaper La Repubblica gave Mr Taylor a mark of 7 with the comment 'semplicemente perfetto'.  One can only contemplate with wonder the levels of perfection needed to obtain a mark of 7.5 or higher. 
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Mon 09 Dec 2019 14:40
Atlético v Lokomotiv Moskva
Estadio Metropolitano - Madrid
Wednesday 11 December 2019
21.00CET (21.00 local time)
Group D - Matchday 6

Referee: Viktor Kassai (HUN)
Assistant referees: György Ring (HUN); Vencel Tóth (HUN)
Fourth official: Tamás Bognar (HUN)
Video Assistant Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 09 Dec 2019 15:42
Group E
10 December 2019, 18:55 CET - Naples (Stadio San Paolo)
SSC Napoli (ITA) - KRC Genk (BEL)
Referee: Cüneyt Çakır (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Bahattin Duran (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Tarik Ongun (TUR)
Fourth Official: Halil Umut Meler (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ali Palabıyık (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer:  Jon Skjervold (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Rotem Kamer (ISR)

Group E
10 December 2019, 18:55 CET - Salzburg (Stadion Salzburg)
FC Red Bull Salzburg (AUT) - Liverpool FC (ENG)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Mario Diks (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Kevin Blom (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bas Nijhuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Emil Bozhinovski (MKD)
UEFA Delegate: Danijel Jošt (SVN)

Group F
10 December 2019, 21:00 CET - Dortmund (Signal-Iduna-Park)
Borussia Dortmund (GER) - SK Slavia Praha (CZE)
Referee: Sergei Karasev (RUS)
Assistant Referee 1: Igor Demeshko (RUS)
Assistant Referee 2: Maksim Gavrilin (RUS)
Fourth Official: Sergey Lapochkin (RUS)
Video Assistant Referee: Vitaliy Meshkov (RUS)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Sergei Ivanov (RUS)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bertrand Layec (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Scott Struthers (SCO)

Group F
10 December 2019, 21:00 CET - Milan (Stadio San Siro)
FC Internazionale Milano (ITA) - FC Barcelona (ESP)
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Johan Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Antonov (MDA)
UEFA Delegate: Graham Hover (ENG)

Group G
10 December 2019, 21:00 CET - Décines-Charpieu (Groupama Stadium)
Olympique Lyonnais (FRA) - RB Leipzig (GER)
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG)
Fourth Official: Craig Pawson (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: David Fernández Borbalán (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Christian Welander (SWE)

Group G
10 December 2019, 21:00 CET - Lisbon (Estádio do Sport Lisboa e Benfica)
SL Benfica (POR) - Football Club Zenit (RUS)
Referee: Antonio Miguel  Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devis.(ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez Del Palomar (ESP)
Fourth Official: Santiago Jaime Latre (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoetxea (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Darko Ceferin (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Miroslaw Ryszka (POL)

Group H
10 December 2019, 21:00 CET - London (Stamford Bridge)
Chelsea FC (ENG) - LOSC Lille (FRA)
Referee: Anastasios Sidiropoulos (GRE)
Assistant Referee 1: Polychronis Kostaras (GRE)
Assistant Referee 2: Lazaros Dimitriadis (GRE)
Fourth Official: Ioannis Papadopoulos (GRE)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mark Borsch (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer:  Leslie Irvine (NIR)
UEFA Delegate: Michael Zoratti (AUT)

Group H
10 December 2019, 21:00 CET - Amsterdam (Johan Cruijff ArenA)
AFC Ajax (NED) - Valencia CF (ESP)
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Frank Schneider (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer:  Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Michal Mertiňyák (SVK)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 09 Dec 2019 15:45
Group C
11 December 2019, 18:55 CET - Zagreb (Stadion Maksimir)
GNK Dinamo (CRO) - Manchester City FC (ENG)
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Jesús Gil Manzano (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Javier Estrada Fernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Martin Ingvarsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Steen Michael Dahrup (DEN)

Group C
11 December 2019, 18:55 CET - Kharkiv (OSK Metalist)
FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) - Atalanta BC (ITA)
Referee: Felix Zwayer (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Thorsten Schiffner (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Marco Achmüller (GER)
Fourth Official: Robert Schröder (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sándor Piller (HUN)
UEFA Delegate: Jan Willem Van Dop (NED)

Group A
11 December 2019, 21:00 CET - Bruges (Jan Breydelstadion)
Club Brugge (BEL) - Real Madrid CF (ESP)
Referee: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mike Pickel (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Fourth Official: Harm Osmers (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tobias Christ (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Costas Kapitanis (CYP)
UEFA Delegate: Vasco Dojcinovski (MKD)

Group A
11 December 2019, 21:00 CET - Paris (Parc des Princes)
Paris Saint Germain (FRA) - Galatasaray (TUR)
Referee: István Kovács (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Vasile Florin Marinescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Mihai Ovidiu Artene (ROU)
Fourth Official: Marius Avram (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Michael Fabbri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bo Karlsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Roy Cathcart (NIR)

Group B
11 December 2019, 20:45 CET - Piraeus (Stadio Georgios Karaiskakis)
Olympiacos FC (GRE) - FK Crvena zvezda (SRB)
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Lorenzo Manganelli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Karen Nalbandyan (ARM)
UEFA Delegate: Philippe Prudhon (FRA)

Group B
11 December 2019, 20:45 CET - Munich (Fußball Arena München)
FC Bayern München (GER) - Tottenham Hotspur (ENG)
Referee: Gianluca Rocchi (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Filippo Meli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Giorgio Peretti (ITA)
Fourth Official: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Markus Nobs (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Anna Bordiugova (UKR)

Group D
11 December 2019, 20:45 CET - Madrid (Estadio Metropolitano)
Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) - FC Lokomotiv Moskva (RUS)
Referee: Viktor Kassai (HUN)
Assistant Referee 1: György Ring.(HUN)
Assistant Referee 2: Vencel Toth (HUN)
Fourth Official: Tamás Bognár (HUN)
Video Assistant Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Lucílio Cardoso Cortez Batista (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Dusko Grabovac (CRO)

Group D
11 December 2019, 20:45 CET - Leverkusen (BayArena)
Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER) - Juventus (ITA)
Referee: Benoît Bastien (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Hicham Zakrani (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Frédéric Haquette (FRA)
Fourth Official: Karim Abed (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Amaury Delerue (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kyros Vassaras (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: David Pugh (ENG)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 09 Dec 2019 15:48
Decent game for Bastien with an important committee member. Fairly routine games elsewhere, Taylor in France and Rocchi with a good game in Munich.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Tue 10 Dec 2019 09:42
4th CL appointment for Anthony Taylor on this Group Stage. He certainly seems to be on a good form. Pawson is FO which means no EL for him. So it seems that he has no chance of a promotion to the Elite.

Bastien with an important committee member on the road to Euro 2020. Good to see Kassai back. I think that we will see him to Euro 2020.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 10 Dec 2019 12:00
4th CL appointment for Anthony Taylor on this Group Stage. He certainly seems to be on a good form. Pawson is FO which means no EL for him. So it seems that he has no chance of a promotion to the Elite.

Bastien with an important committee member on the road to Euro 2020. Good to see Kassai back. I think that we will see him to Euro 2020.

Any news on any promotions to Elite for January? Rocchi is departing the scene and was wondering who you thought would be, if any, stepping up?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 10 Dec 2019 12:07
Pawson does have a UEL game! How on earth has that happened?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Hendo on Tue 10 Dec 2019 18:17
Pawson does have a UEL game! How on earth has that happened?
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Tierney too!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Tue 10 Dec 2019 21:35
4th CL appointment for Anthony Taylor on this Group Stage. He certainly seems to be on a good form. Pawson is FO which means no EL for him. So it seems that he has no chance of a promotion to the Elite.

Bastien with an important committee member on the road to Euro 2020. Good to see Kassai back. I think that we will see him to Euro 2020.

Any news on any promotions to Elite for January? Rocchi is departing the scene and was wondering who you thought would be, if any, stepping up?

I think that the UEFA meeting on categories is on the next days. I don't expect any promotion to the Elite now. Perhaps Vincic but it doesn't seem so likely.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Wed 11 Dec 2019 20:20
15 mins gone - 1st pen after 50 seconds, 2nd pen after 15mins & VAR review after he reviewed himself.

MY BP cannot take this!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Wed 11 Dec 2019 21:57
15 mins gone - 1st pen after 50 seconds, 2nd pen after 15mins & VAR review after he reviewed himself.

MY BP cannot take this!


Throw in a disallowed goal via VAR & all that was missing from the match bingo card was a red!  Good performance from Mr K tonight, imo.  Viktor - Büszke vagyok rád!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: kelxref on Thu 12 Dec 2019 09:20
Interesting to muse on how UEFA view "perceived" errors given that that has been talk on here about how Michael Oliver's appointments may have been affected after the Real-Juventus game. I watched the Schaktar - Atalanta game last night, and witnessed Felix Zwayer inexcusably fail to issue a second yellow card to the Atalanta player Muriel. It was a potentially game changing moment with the score at 0-0. Given that Zwayer is seemingly one of Rossetti's favoured Elite refs, I await with interest the appointment s for the knockout stage of  the CL.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Ref Fan on Thu 12 Dec 2019 12:32
Oliver had 3 appointments in the CL Group matches in Lyon, Barcelona and Moscow so it's not as if he's been ignored.  And I'm not aware of any great controversy in any of those games although there were a lot of YCs in one of them as I recall.  Taylor has had 4 matches, some more high profile, so I accept that he is seen by UEFA  / Rossetti as the slightly more accomplished referee at the moment.  It's unfortunate perhaps that it was an Italian team that were involved in that Real Madrid game, although the consensus on here and with former English International referees was that the penalty and red card were correct. 

Oliver has more years to develop further so it will be interesting to follow their respective careers with UEFA, FIFA and the PL.

I didn't see the game last night but shall look for Herr Zwayer's future appointments.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: referee12 on Sat 15 Feb 2020 10:56
possible english involvement in last 16 first legs and in europa league rd of 32
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Sun 16 Feb 2020 20:41
Marciniak has Atletico Madrid V Liverpool and Lahoz has Dortmund V PSG.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 17 Feb 2020 09:28
Michael Oliver has Atalanta V Valencia on Wednesday. Burt and Bennett assistants, with Atkinson Fourth Official. Interestingly, Kavanagh is VAR and Pawson is AVAR - I think previously it has been the other way round?

Cakir has Spurs V Leipzig.




Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 17 Feb 2020 12:37
18.02.2020, 21:00 CET
Estadio Wanda Metropolitano, Madrid (ESP)
Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) - Liverpool FC (ENG)
Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Pawel Sokolnicki (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
Fourth Official: Tomasz Musiał (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Jovan Šurbatović (SRB)

18.02.2020, 21:00 CET
Signal Iduna Park, Dortmund (GER)
Borussia Dortmund (GER) - Paris Saint-Germain FC (FRA)
Referee: Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devis (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez Del Palomar (ESP)
Fourth Official: José Luis Munuera Montero (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoetxea (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Karen Nalbandyan (ARM)
UEFA Delegate: Tarik Shamel (ENG)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 17 Feb 2020 12:38
19.02.2020, 21:00 CET
Stadio San Siro, Milan (ITA)
Atalanta Bergamasca Calcio (ITA) - Valencia CF (ESP)
Referee: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Simon Bennett (ENG)
Fourth Official: Martin Atkinson (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Craig Pawson (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kýros Vassáras (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: Rainer Koch (GER)

19.02.2020, 21:00 CET
Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, London (ENG)
Tottenham Hotspur FC (ENG) - RB Leipzig (GER)
Referee: Cüneyt Çakır (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Bahattin Duran (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Tarik Ongun (TUR)
Fourth Official: Halil Umut Meler (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Abdulkadir Bitigen (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Domenico Messina (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Myrsíni Psarropoúlou (GRE)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 17 Feb 2020 12:41
I wonder if Marciniak is under the radar of Rosetti for a big semi final or indeed Europa League Final. Oliver with an important ex committee observer.

I would expect Brych and Taylor to be involved in some of the reverse fixtures.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: dave26 on Mon 17 Feb 2020 15:28
Tbh Marciniak is one of my favourite FIFA referees but considering his performances over the last 6-12 months I think he can count himself lucky to have such a good appointment
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Ivanhoe on Tue 18 Feb 2020 09:45
Will be interesting to see how the English officials use VAR in Europe, with different directives.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Tue 18 Feb 2020 10:47
Will be interesting to see how the English officials use VAR in Europe, with different directives.

They used it in the group stages of the CL of course - Taylor used the monitors a few times I think.

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Bielsa’s Bucket on Wed 19 Feb 2020 21:55
Anyone know how Oliver and his team got on tonight?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Ref Fan on Wed 19 Feb 2020 22:24
Saw most of Oliver's game.  No major problems that I noted although there were signs of it getting a bit tetchy towards the end.
The 2 main VAR referrals were a possible offside for Atalanta's 4th goal and a check for a penalty for handball by an Atalanta defender but both onfield decisions stood. The Valencia players were frustrated they didn't get the penalty but the replays were not all that clear. To me it didn't look like handball.

It was good to see Oliver talking to players and until the penalty incident there was little dissent.

Decision making seemed sound and the AR's did well with a couple of close offsides.

Only 1 YC I think for a pull-back near the touchline by an Atalanta player.  They did commit more fouls than Valencia but I can't say I noticed PI by any one player.

I don't think there was anything for Oliver and his team to lose sleep over but as a non-referee I'd be happy to read any other opinions.





Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Thu 20 Feb 2020 12:04
I agree with most of Ref Fan's post. Oliver had a good/expected level performance on a Normal difficulty match.

His decision making was good (only a couple of fouls missed plus a YC around 81-82). He had control of the match despite the excessive dissent at VAL penalty appeal (No handball, Oliver awarded an attacker's foul -> correct IMO).

The biggest issue was the 4-0. IMO, the offside is punishable even though the player in offside position doesn't come in contact with the ball.

The only point for improvement would be his positioning (too close to the ball at times, no diagonal movement).
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Ref Fan on Thu 20 Feb 2020 14:06
Thanks edy.

There were a few early fouls which enabled Michael Oliver to show some authority and then there was a period when there were very few infringements or the tempo allowed advantage to be played.  Overall, it was an entertaining game with plenty of attempts and just a few spells when play was a bit scrappy.

I can't recall the missed YC edy mentions but there were several what struck me as 'tactical' fouls by Atalanta in the last 10 minutes who no doubt were anxious not to concede a second goal to Valencia which could have changed the balance of the tie.

Interesting point about positioning. I've noticed in the P/L this season that not just Oliver but other senior refs such as Atkinson and Taylor have sometimes appeared too close to the ball.  I did wonder whether in trying to read the play and anticipate where a pass would go, referees have moved towards the middle of the field
expecting a pass for example to the far side of the pitch where the AR is only to find the player in possession has reversed play and moved towards the nearside.  I'm probably wrong and haven't explained it very well anyway!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: referee12 on Sun 23 Feb 2020 10:18
Uefa have released the refs for Tuesdays champions league ties turpin has Chelsea/buyern brych has napoli/barcelona i wonder who might have the last 2 first leg ties on Wednesday then
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: referee12 on Sun 23 Feb 2020 10:20
kuipers,orsato,collum,-possibilities
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 24 Feb 2020 14:01
kuipers,orsato,collum,-possibilities

Orsato has Real Madrid V Man City which I'm quite surprised about - I think he's one of the weaker ones of the elite referees.

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ryan80 on Mon 24 Feb 2020 19:40
Tuesday

Chelsea v Bayern Munich
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant referees: Nicolas Danos (FRA) and Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth official: Frank Schneider (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)

Lyon v Juventus
Referee: Jesús Gil Manzano (ESP)
Assistant referees: Diego Barbero (ESP) and Ángel Nevado (ESP)
Fourth official: Guillermo Cuadra Fernandez (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos (ESP)

Real Madrid v Manchester City
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant referees: Lorenzo Manganelli (ITA) and Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Fourth official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ciro Carbone (ITA)

After UEFA admitted Rochi got it wrong in the Chelsea v Ajax game it probably means Orsato is Italy's number one now.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 24 Feb 2020 19:51
Rocchi has retired anyway hasn't he?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 24 Feb 2020 19:55
Manzano under the Dallas radar too... he is miles better than Lahoz IMO.

Standard appointments elsewhere.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Mon 24 Feb 2020 20:11
Rocchi has retired anyway hasn't he?

Yes. Came off the list in December.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 08 Mar 2020 18:19
10.03.2020, 21:00 CET
Camp de Mestalla, Valencia (ESP)
Valencia CF (ESP) - Atalanta Bergamasca Calcio (ITA)
Referee: Ovidiu Alin Haţegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Șovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Eugen Gheorghe (ROU)
Fourth Official: Constantin Sebastian Colţescu (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Pawel Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Herbert Fandel (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Christian Mutschler (SUI)

10.03.2020, 21:00 CET
RB Arena, Leipzig (GER)
RB Leipzig (GER) - Tottenham Hotspur FC (ENG)
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo De Burgos Bengoetxea (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alain Hamer (LUX)
UEFA Delegate: Bert Andersson (SWE)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: redman2014 on Sun 08 Mar 2020 20:54
Very interested to see who gets Liverpool V Athletico.
After the first leg, it has to be one of the most experienced teams that Uefa has.
One of Cakir, Brych, Kuipers or Skomina.
I'd like to see Brych or Cakir.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: dave26 on Sun 08 Mar 2020 21:05
I would love to see Kuipers get it
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 08 Mar 2020 23:30
Very interested to see who gets Liverpool V Athletico.
After the first leg, it has to be one of the most experienced teams that Uefa has.
One of Cakir, Brych, Kuipers or Skomina.
I'd like to see Brych or Cakir.

I have a feeling Cakir will get it...
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Mon 09 Mar 2020 10:02
11.03.2020, 21:00 CET
Parc des Princes, Paris (FRA)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - Borussia Dortmund (GER)
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG)
Fourth Official: Craig Pawson (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Radenko Mijatović (SVN)

11.03.2020, 21:00 CET
Anfield, Liverpool (ENG)
Liverpool FC (ENG) - Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Mario Diks (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Allard Lindhout (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Lucílio Cardoso Cortez Batista (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Metin Kazancıoğlu (TUR)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 09 Mar 2020 10:30
Very god appointment for AT (not sure he's had a great few months but obviously highly rated by UEFA, and not too surprised by this appointment) and I think DM is slowly emerging as amongst the best in Europe.

I don't think Kuipers or Skomina have have had a Last 16 game yet so I guess they'll both get one next week and we'll probably end up with a different referee on each Lat 16 game.

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 09 Mar 2020 12:21
Taylor under the Dallas radar too....
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Mon 09 Mar 2020 12:26
Taylor under the Dallas radar too....

Dallas is a replacement. Trentalange was initially appointed.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 09 Mar 2020 14:51
Taylor under the Dallas radar too....

Dallas is a replacement. Trentalange was initially appointed.

Game being played behind closed doors now....
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Wed 11 Mar 2020 08:46
A lot of whistle in last night's Leipzig v Tottenham game but I thought Carlos del Cerro Grande had a good game. I was particularly impressed with his reaction when a Leipzig player was hit on the head by the ball and then appeared to swallow his tongue as he collapsed on the ground. The sense of urgency with which Carlos summoned the medics and stretcher on to the field was admirable. I wonder whether top refs get training in such medical issues. It was certainly justified last night. Well done Carlos!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ajb95 on Thu 12 Mar 2020 09:22
Outstanding performance from Makkelie at Anfield. Nice to see a referee let the players get on with the game and keep cards to a minimum!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Alitalia on Mon 13 Apr 2020 13:31


After UEFA admitted Rochi got it wrong in the Chelsea v Ajax game it probably means Orsato is Italy's number one now.

Yes, Orsato is absolutely the No. 1 in Italy. Guida e Maresca follow him.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 13 Apr 2020 18:24


After UEFA admitted Rochi got it wrong in the Chelsea v Ajax game it probably means Orsato is Italy's number one now.

Yes, Orsato is absolutely the No. 1 in Italy. Guida e Maresca follow him.

Not keen on orsato. He’s very card happy
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Alitalia on Wed 22 Apr 2020 19:46
Come on, the engines are about to start up again.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: referee12 on Sun 05 Jul 2020 10:26
we will have to see which refs they are going to select and send out to Lisbon for this champions league knock out tournament when it all resumes next month
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Sun 05 Jul 2020 15:41
Going to be interesting to see how they manage it. A lot of countries still have travel restrictions, including mandatory 14 day self isolation on arrival (for whatever reason).

If they have to fly out a team of referees 2 weeks in advance so they can do the 14 days self isolation and then those referees have to do 14 days self isolation on their return to their respective home countries that is going to cause all manner of issues. Our 20/21 season commences 2nd Aug for the NBII and 15th Aug for the NBI & there is a strict 14 days self isolation period on return. I wonder if exceptions will be made/agreed?

The spread of dates is close

8/9/10/11 August: Preliminary round
18/19 August: First qualifying round
25/26 August: Second qualifying round

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Sun 05 Jul 2020 17:26
Going to be interesting to see how they manage it. A lot of countries still have travel restrictions, including mandatory 14 day self isolation on arrival (for whatever reason).

If they have to fly out a team of referees 2 weeks in advance so they can do the 14 days self isolation and then those referees have to do 14 days self isolation on their return to their respective home countries that is going to cause all manner of issues. Our 20/21 season commences 2nd Aug for the NBII and 15th Aug for the NBI & there is a strict 14 days self isolation period on return. I wonder if exceptions will be made/agreed?

The spread of dates is close

8/9/10/11 August: Preliminary round
18/19 August: First qualifying round
25/26 August: Second qualifying round

Presumably any quarantines that applied to referees would also apply to players, and if you have that many 14 day quarantines European/international football won't be possible at all!

I don't think quarantines are likely to generally affect football at the top level.

It will be interesting to see who is used in August for the remainder of EL/CL. The QFs/SFs will only be 1 leg so fewer officials will be required than normal. Some high-profile referees are from leagues that haven't returned (Kuipers, Turpin, Makkelie, etc) and the German league has finished already so some officials might be more up to match speed than others. It will also be interesting ot see if the likes of Kuipers and Brych carry on next season or stop, at least at UEFA level.

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Sun 05 Jul 2020 18:43
Going to be interesting to see how they manage it. A lot of countries still have travel restrictions, including mandatory 14 day self isolation on arrival (for whatever reason).

If they have to fly out a team of referees 2 weeks in advance so they can do the 14 days self isolation and then those referees have to do 14 days self isolation on their return to their respective home countries that is going to cause all manner of issues. Our 20/21 season commences 2nd Aug for the NBII and 15th Aug for the NBI & there is a strict 14 days self isolation period on return. I wonder if exceptions will be made/agreed?

The spread of dates is close

8/9/10/11 August: Preliminary round
18/19 August: First qualifying round
25/26 August: Second qualifying round

Presumably any quarantines that applied to referees would also apply to players, and if you have that many 14 day quarantines European/international football won't be possible at all!

I don't think quarantines are likely to generally affect football at the top level.

It will be interesting to see who is used in August for the remainder of EL/CL. The QFs/SFs will only be 1 leg so fewer officials will be required than normal. Some high-profile referees are from leagues that haven't returned (Kuipers, Turpin, Makkelie, etc) and the German league has finished already so some officials might be more up to match speed than others. It will also be interesting ot see if the likes of Kuipers and Brych carry on next season or stop, at least at UEFA level.



I would assume they have already addressed any quarantine issues but you never know! The travel rules & restrictions may well have significantly changed by then anyway. I know in Hungary there are different rules for travelling by private plane than there are for travelling on commercial flights so one way around it for our Federation could be to fly any of our teams & referees on Mr Csányi's company private jet.

The FIFA list runs from 01 Jan - 31 Dec not season to season so there shouldn't be any changes to the current list. Maybe some promotions/demotions in July but no-one leaving/joining. Kassai retired on 05 Jan but will still show on the elite list officially until 31 Dec! Crazy!!

The German league has only just finished, like ours in Hungary, so the referees & any teams should still be fit - they've not had time to eat too many ice creams on their break yet! Ours is a very short break 2-3 weeks before the pre-season starts again so doubt any of them will relax that much in terms of training. The UEFA summer camp is being done via zoom though and normally the refs have their fitness test at it so wonder also how that will work. Common sense would be for one of the UEFA observers from their own country to supervise the fitness test being carried out in their own country.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: RCG on Mon 06 Jul 2020 07:24
Currently Portugal are not on the UK go list so that would affect any returning to UK after (or so I understand)
Can see that changing when the government get politely told by UEFA, Prem league, BT etc
Kuipers has been refereeing games across Europe, invited by other countries. That cannot be a coincidence.
With the majority of the "big" leagues in action and enough football elsewhere for the likes of Cakir and Skomina I think it will be a highly rated group of officials who end up in Portugal
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 06 Jul 2020 08:34
Exemptions include giving 'green light to...Champions League and Europa League football'

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/selected-sporting-events-tv-and-film-exempt-from-quarantine
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: RCG on Mon 06 Jul 2020 19:24
And as if by magic......
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: referee12 on Thu 09 Jul 2020 09:57
so now English refs for the mini champions league in Portugal

poss cakir ,skomina ,turpin, brych, to go instead as a team to cover it all?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ryan80 on Thu 16 Jul 2020 22:53
According to Turkish media Cüneyt Çakır has been selected to travel to Portugal for the final stages of the Champions League.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: RCG on Fri 17 Jul 2020 18:27
I would take the top 4 refereeing teams available (neutral where possible), giving each team a QF. Best performer gets final irrespective if they have had it before. Refs ranked 2 and 3 get Semis.
Cakir, Kuipers, Skomina plus 1 maybe Marcinack

The Italians will be there in force manning the zappers along with the Germans
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: referee12 on Mon 20 Jul 2020 14:28
I think you might be right with the champions knock out ref appointments rcg which means that possibly one of the English refs will get the knock out europa league appointments instead?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: referee12 on Wed 29 Jul 2020 10:21
champions league rearranged dates resume from next Friday ref appointments tues/wed?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Wed 29 Jul 2020 11:56
They'll probably be Weds - it's normally 48 hours before the game they get announced
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Tue 04 Aug 2020 14:27
Will be interesting to see if they apply to the 'once only' guidance to the CL final appointment or if they follow the FA's route and give it to someone twice.

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: RCG on Tue 04 Aug 2020 16:33
I think you may see a previous recipient get it, for all the reasons David Elleray gave for our cup final. Cakir?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: dave26 on Tue 04 Aug 2020 19:10
I think possibly Kuipers
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Tue 04 Aug 2020 19:36
I think possibly Kuipers

Good shout
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: RCG on Tue 04 Aug 2020 20:45
Id have expected him to be in Portugal for the knock out bits so wait and see
More likely now ge will do semi final of Europa league
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Tue 04 Aug 2020 21:42
Id have expected him to be in Portugal for the knock out bits so wait and see
More likely now ge will do semi final of Europa league

Lots of elite referees have been used in the Europa League this midweek - I'd expect at least some of them to do CL games.

The games aren't specifically in Germany/Portugal until next week's QFs anyway.

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 04 Aug 2020 22:37
Id have expected him to be in Portugal for the knock out bits so wait and see
More likely now ge will do semi final of Europa league

Lots of elite referees have been used in the Europa League this midweek - I'd expect at least some of them to do CL games.

The games aren't specifically in Germany/Portugal until next week's QFs anyway.

Brych and Artur Dias would be certain locks for a game.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ryan80 on Wed 05 Aug 2020 09:27
Friday 7th August 2020

Juventus v Lyon (Turin)

Referee: Felix Zwayer (GER)
Assistant referees: Thorsten Schiffner (GER) and Marco Achmüller (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Fourth official: Tasos Sidiropoulos (GRE)

Manchester City v Real Madrid (City of Manchester stadium)

Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant referees: Mark Borsch (GER) and Stefan Lupp (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Fourth official: Daniel Siebert (GER)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Wed 05 Aug 2020 12:52
Important observer for Zwayer. He certainly is a better official than the erratic Aytekin.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ryan80 on Thu 06 Aug 2020 09:52
Bayern v Chelsea (Munich)
Referee: Ovidiu Haţegan ROU
Assistant referees: Octavian Șovre ROU and Sebastian Gheorghe ROU
Fourth official: Radu Petrescu ROU
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati ITA
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida ITA

Barcelona v Napoli (Camp Nou)
Referee: Cüneyt Çakır (TUR)
Assistant referees: Bahattin Duran (TUR) and Tarik Ongun (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ali Palabıyık (TUR)
Fourth official: Halil Umut Meler (TUR)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Boz on Thu 06 Aug 2020 23:52
Dr Brych and Man City have not been a happy combination in recent games where he's been in the middle.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ajb95 on Sat 08 Aug 2020 10:46
Quietly impressed with Herr Zwayer in the juve-Lyon game. Authoritative and controlled all yellows correct and both penalties correct!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: RCG on Sat 08 Aug 2020 11:20
I thought he did well. Stood up to the pressure late on in the game. So much play acting, drives me nuts
Would a hostile Italian crowd have helped?
I hope referees will continue to referee the games in front of them as they have been, rather than the occassion generated by fans as they return (at some point in the future)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ryan80 on Mon 10 Aug 2020 10:01
Wednesday 12th August

Atalanta v PSG (Lisbon)

Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant referees: Gary Beswick (ENG) and Adam Nunn (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG)
Fourth official: Artur Dias (POR)

Confirmation that Taylor is seen as England’s number one!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Mon 10 Aug 2020 15:01
His first ever UCL QF. And again with PSG after R16.

But an excellent appointment. Good luck.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Ref Fan on Mon 10 Aug 2020 17:01
I do hope he performs better than he did in the FA Cup Final
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: referee12 on Mon 10 Aug 2020 18:24
so Taylor and Oliver have both included in the ref lists for the europa league in Germany and the champions league in Portugal I'm sure further progress will be depending on Man City wolves and Man Utd 
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: PDMat Shav on Mon 10 Aug 2020 19:41
His first ever UCL QF. And again with PSG after R16.

But an excellent appointment. Good luck.

It is debatable if he is the best after FA Cup Final performance, but still a very good appointment for him, lets hope he does well
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 10 Aug 2020 19:51
His first ever UCL QF. And again with PSG after R16.

But an excellent appointment. Good luck.

It is debatable if he is the best after FA Cup Final performance, but still a very good appointment for him, lets hope he does well

Edit- if an English club doesn’t get to the Europa league final (which I think one of them will) hen I would have said Taylor was a god shout for the final..

Taylor is what 41/42? So he has at most 4-5 years left as an elite official. Oliver has probably double that so he has plenty of time!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Mon 10 Aug 2020 20:24
His first ever UCL QF. And again with PSG after R16.

But an excellent appointment. Good luck.

It is debatable if he is the best after FA Cup Final performance, but still a very good appointment for him, lets hope he does well

In UEFA's eyes he is clearly England's No1.....
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 10 Aug 2020 20:32
His first ever UCL QF. And again with PSG after R16.

But an excellent appointment. Good luck.

It is debatable if he is the best after FA Cup Final performance, but still a very good appointment for him, lets hope he does well

Edit- if an English club doesn’t get to the Europa league final (which I think one of them will) hen I would have said Taylor was a god shout for the final..

Taylor is what 41/42? So he has at most 4-5 years left as an elite official. Oliver has probably double that so he has plenty of time!

I hope Taylor isn’t god!
He has Sajn observing him so a good report from him wouldn’t hurt.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ryan80 on Tue 11 Aug 2020 15:09
Leipzig v Athletico Madrid
Referee:  Szynom Marciniak (POL)
Assistant referees: Paweł Sokolnicki (POL) and Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Pawel Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
Fourth official: Tasos Sidiropoulos (GRE
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ryan80 on Wed 12 Aug 2020 10:59
Barcelona v Bayern Munich (Lisbon)

Referee: Damir Skomina (SVN)
Assistant referees:  Jure Praprotnik (SVN) and Robert Vukan (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
Fourth official: Artur  Dias (POR)

This one had to go to one of the big names and not much of a surprise as Skomina did last years final.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Wed 12 Aug 2020 17:21
Barcelona v Bayern Munich (Lisbon)

Referee: Damir Skomina (SVN)
Assistant referees:  Jure Praprotnik (SVN) and Robert Vukan (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
Fourth official: Artur  Dias (POR)

This one had to go to one of the big names and not much of a surprise as Skomina did last years final.

And Rosetti observing too....
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: rustyref on Wed 12 Aug 2020 18:01
Barcelona v Bayern Munich (Lisbon)

Referee: Damir Skomina (SVN)
Assistant referees:  Jure Praprotnik (SVN) and Robert Vukan (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
Fourth official: Artur  Dias (POR)

This one had to go to one of the big names and not much of a surprise as Skomina did last years final.

And Irrati on VAR again after he made a right mess of the penalty in last night's Wolves vs Sevilla game.  Whilst I think the keeper's foot might have been overhanging the line, the defender that headed the rebound clear was well inside the area when the kick was taken and VAR are supposed to check that.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Wed 12 Aug 2020 21:42
Wednesday 12th August

Atalanta v PSG (Lisbon)

Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant referees: Gary Beswick (ENG) and Adam Nunn (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG)
Fourth official: Artur Dias (POR)


Confirmation that Taylor is seen as England’s number one!

A card fest from Taylor thus far....

edited to fix the quote thingamajigga, bmb
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: PhiltheRef on Wed 12 Aug 2020 22:01
Hardly a card fest really!
Have you an argument with any of the cards?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Ref Fan on Wed 12 Aug 2020 22:24
Atalanta 6: PSG 3 on that score.  And Atalanta conceded 29 fouls according to BT Sport

Was slightly surprised at a couple of the YCs early in the second half but there were one or two challenges later when I was expecting a YC that wasn't forthcoming.

My impression was AT decided cards were the appropriate game plan rather than trying to man manage players.  Whether other senior Elite referees would have chosen the same approach I'm not sure.  I should add I didn't see the first half so maybe there were incidents then that led to his actions thereafter.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ryan80 on Thu 13 Aug 2020 09:54
Manchester City v Lyon (Lisbon)

Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant referees: Mario Diks (NED) and Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
Fourth official: Tasos Sidiropoulos (GRE)

I thought someone else from Holland would do this match!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Thu 13 Aug 2020 13:00
Manchester City v Lyon (Lisbon)

Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant referees: Mario Diks (NED) and Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
Fourth official: Tasos Sidiropoulos (GRE)

I thought someone else from Holland would do this match!

The other one has unwittingly managed to get himself involved in a scandal in Russia! Think he might be laying low for a while...
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: dave26 on Thu 13 Aug 2020 17:25
Bmb what did mean by he managed to get himself involved in a scandal in Russia ? I presume your referring to Bjorn Kuipers - what has he done ?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Thu 13 Aug 2020 20:49
Bmb what did mean by he managed to get himself involved in a scandal in Russia ? I presume your referring to Bjorn Kuipers - what has he done ?

Long story short - lots of allegations of corruption in Russia, refs having to take lie detector tests - not a nice environment. After a controversial decision a few days ago (the ref passed the lie detector test for that one) he replied to a text he thought was from a Russian ref saying along the lines of, yeah it was a pen for him, but it was actually the manager of the team denied the pen who had same 1st name as the ref Kuipers thought he was chatting in confidence to. Within mins it was headline news, Kuipers agreeing it was wrong while Kassai was blindly sticking by his refs & didn't know the LOTG etc. Kuipers then finds out he wasn't talking to who he thought he was & is horrified, has come out & said he'd never have discussed it with a manager, he backs the ref, backs Kassai etc. Bit messy to say the least.  He was duped by a manager. Announced today the ref involved had passed a 6 hour long lie detector test taken on Tuesday showing he was not corrupt! Although that lie detector test may have been a different incident there were 2 1 day apart but Kuipers being duped was very genuine & very embarrassing for him. Caused an absolute s***storm there.


It is all out there in the Russian press if anyone wants links.

Will add his full quote was along the lines of he would have given a pen but the VAR could not intervene as it was not a clear and obvious error - the manager didn't repeat that part. Today's top story is that Kassai deliberately writes nonsensical protocol to protect the corrupt refs! Wonder if anyone has told IFAB/FIFA that yet as it is their protocol being referred to! Waiting to find out what the independent lawyers who do the lie detector tests excuse is for them to be able to pass them!!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Ashington46 on Thu 13 Aug 2020 22:17
bmb --many thanks for giving that background to events in Russia relating to football!
I really do not know where the game is going with referees being subjected to lie detector tests.
Yes, sadly, there has always been corruption within the game and, because of the large sums of money floating around, I am sad to say that there always will be. However, subjecting officials to lie detector tests is really pushing things and then managers doing as this guy has done just make me think that the game has gone.

Having said that, I have just watched Leipzig v Atletico Madrid and seen free kicks given for minimal contact, cautions issued for players for very minor offences, players and management waving imaginary cards at the officials, players falling over and having a sly glance at the officials ---is this really the game as it is meant to be played? It would appear so because the modern fan is happy with it.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: dave26 on Fri 14 Aug 2020 03:31
Bmb what did mean by he managed to get himself involved in a scandal in Russia ? I presume your referring to Bjorn Kuipers - what has he done ?

Long story short - lots of allegations of corruption in Russia, refs having to take lie detector tests - not a nice environment. After a controversial decision a few days ago (the ref passed the lie detector test for that one) he replied to a text he thought was from a Russian ref saying along the lines of, yeah it was a pen for him, but it was actually the manager of the team denied the pen who had same 1st name as the ref Kuipers thought he was chatting in confidence to. Within mins it was headline news, Kuipers agreeing it was wrong while Kassai was blindly sticking by his refs & didn't know the LOTG etc. Kuipers then finds out he wasn't talking to who he thought he was & is horrified, has come out & said he'd never have discussed it with a manager, he backs the ref, backs Kassai etc. Bit messy to say the least.  He was duped by a manager. Announced today the ref involved had passed a 6 hour long lie detector test taken on Tuesday showing he was not corrupt! Although that lie detector test may have been a different incident there were 2 1 day apart but Kuipers being duped was very genuine & very embarrassing for him. Caused an absolute s***storm there.


It is all out there in the Russian press if anyone wants links.

Will add his full quote was along the lines of he would have given a pen but the VAR could not intervene as it was not a clear and obvious error - the manager didn't repeat that part. Today's top story is that Kassai deliberately writes nonsensical protocol to protect the corrupt refs! Wonder if anyone has told IFAB/FIFA that yet as it is their protocol being referred to! Waiting to find out what the independent lawyers who do the lie detector tests excuse is for them to be able to pass them!!

Many thanks for that I didn’t know anything at all about it still very risky doing what Kuipers did although he was deceived a referee whom I really watching hope this doesn’t end his career
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ryan80 on Fri 14 Aug 2020 09:03
Bmb what did mean by he managed to get himself involved in a scandal in Russia ? I presume your referring to Bjorn Kuipers - what has he done ?

Long story short - lots of allegations of corruption in Russia, refs having to take lie detector tests - not a nice environment. After a controversial decision a few days ago (the ref passed the lie detector test for that one) he replied to a text he thought was from a Russian ref saying along the lines of, yeah it was a pen for him, but it was actually the manager of the team denied the pen who had same 1st name as the ref Kuipers thought he was chatting in confidence to. Within mins it was headline news, Kuipers agreeing it was wrong while Kassai was blindly sticking by his refs & didn't know the LOTG etc. Kuipers then finds out he wasn't talking to who he thought he was & is horrified, has come out & said he'd never have discussed it with a manager, he backs the ref, backs Kassai etc. Bit messy to say the least.  He was duped by a manager. Announced today the ref involved had passed a 6 hour long lie detector test taken on Tuesday showing he was not corrupt! Although that lie detector test may have been a different incident there were 2 1 day apart but Kuipers being duped was very genuine & very embarrassing for him. Caused an absolute s***storm there.


It is all out there in the Russian press if anyone wants links.

Will add his full quote was along the lines of he would have given a pen but the VAR could not intervene as it was not a clear and obvious error - the manager didn't repeat that part. Today's top story is that Kassai deliberately writes nonsensical protocol to protect the corrupt refs! Wonder if anyone has told IFAB/FIFA that yet as it is their protocol being referred to! Waiting to find out what the independent lawyers who do the lie detector tests excuse is for them to be able to pass them!!

Many thanks for that I didn’t know anything at all about it still very risky doing what Kuipers did although he was deceived a referee whom I really watching hope this doesn’t end his career

Lyon are apparently not happy about any Dutch referee being appointed to this game.  If Man City win, Ajax will qualify automatically for next season’s Champions League group stage. If Lyon come out on top, however, Ajax will have to through a qualifying play-off, which could put them at risk of losing a huge sum of money if they then fail to qualify.

I am not sure that this will in any way affect the referee but it is not helpful in preparations for such a big game.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: RCG on Sat 15 Aug 2020 10:54
I despair at the number of straws football clubs will clutch to try and get some sway or influence over a referee or the appointments process.
I just cannot imagine that an Elite referee, who wants to progress, with his boss nearby, global coverage of every decision and VAR, thinks "hang on if I mess up my own career and help Man City win, Ajax will qualify for the Champions League group phases"
Pathetic!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: RCG on Sat 15 Aug 2020 16:03
Slight apologies to Lyon as it appears the issue was raised in the Dutch press by former international referee Dick Jol. Why he feels the need to stir the pot for a fellow countryman is beyond me.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Ref Fan on Sun 16 Aug 2020 09:11
There's been a lot of debate about Lyon's second goal last night and whether VAR should have intervened, not so much for the offside but for a possible foul by the scorer. 

For those of us who still get confused on the protocol (UEFA), please can someone clarify whether VAR could have got involved in the 'foul' incident?  I was under the impression that VAR, apart from offside was restricted to possible penalties or penalties awarded; the review of red cards issued or potentially missed for SFP and VC and the review of goals for possible hand ball for example.  I was reminded of a goal by United against Liverpool last season when there appeared to be a foul by the player who then passed the ball to the scorer and the suggestion was that VAR wouldn't have considered that.  In this instance, it was the scorer himself who may have committed the foul.

However, Makkelie may have called 'no foul' (after having put the whistle to his mouth according to Lineker).  It was a subjective decision.
So, did VAR not deem it 'clear and obvious' or couldn't he intervene anyway?
 
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Sun 16 Aug 2020 10:38
There's been a lot of debate about Lyon's second goal last night and whether VAR should have intervened, not so much for the offside but for a possible foul by the scorer. 

For those of us who still get confused on the protocol (UEFA), please can someone clarify whether VAR could have got involved in the 'foul' incident?  I was under the impression that VAR, apart from offside was restricted to possible penalties or penalties awarded; the review of red cards issued or potentially missed for SFP and VC and the review of goals for possible hand ball for example.  I was reminded of a goal by United against Liverpool last season when there appeared to be a foul by the player who then passed the ball to the scorer and the suggestion was that VAR wouldn't have considered that.  In this instance, it was the scorer himself who may have committed the foul.

However, Makkelie may have called 'no foul' (after having put the whistle to his mouth according to Lineker).  It was a subjective decision.
So, did VAR not deem it 'clear and obvious' or couldn't he intervene anyway?
 

From IFAB protocol:

2. Reviewable match-changing decisions/incidents

The referee may receive assistance from the VAR only in relation to four categories of match-changing decisions/incidents. In all these situations, the VAR is only used after the referee has made a (first/original) decision (including allowing play to continue), or if a serious incident is missed/not seen by the match officials.

The referee`s original decision will not be changed unless there was a ‘clear and obvious error’ (this includes any decision made by the referee based on information from another match official e.g. offside).

The categories of decision/incident which may be reviewed in the event of a potential ‘clear and obvious error’ or ‘serious missed incident’ are:

a. Goal/no goal

    attacking team offence in the build-up to or scoring of the goal (handball, foul, offside etc.)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Ref Fan on Sun 16 Aug 2020 11:30
Thanks edy.  That seems clear enough.  VAR could have looked at a possible foul and decided it was not a 'clear and obvious error'.
Out of interest, do you have an opinion on it if you have seen the incident?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Sun 16 Aug 2020 12:12
Taylor for the Final?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: RCG on Sun 16 Aug 2020 12:15
In real time hard to pick up so no blame on Ref or AR who were looking at other things.
To me there is contact, which causes defender to stumble/fall and takes him away from performing his defensive duties. Not the "biggest" foul but had quite an affect. Worth a review by the referee?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Sun 16 Aug 2020 12:27
Taylor for the Final?

I think it's quite unlikely.

I'd say Lahoz is favourite unless they're going to have a referee do it for a second time like the FA Cup ifnla.

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Hendo on Sun 16 Aug 2020 14:00
Taylor for the Final?
So he can attempt to ruin a 2nd Final in the space of a month?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Sun 16 Aug 2020 14:38
Kuipers has first semi-final.

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: PhiltheRef on Sun 16 Aug 2020 16:13
Hendo

That's embarrassing and hugely disrespectful toward a colleague
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Hendo on Sun 16 Aug 2020 17:11
Hendo

That's embarrassing and hugely disrespectful toward a colleague

So you feel his performance in the F A Cup Final was acceptable do you? I think you will find the overwhelming consensus on here, in the press and beyond is that it was poor and, in my humble opinion, nowhere near the standard to justify his continuing golden boy reputation with UEFA and FIFA.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Sun 16 Aug 2020 17:44
Hendo

That's embarrassing and hugely disrespectful toward a colleague

It was probably a little harsh - Taylor undoubtedly has his qualities and I'm sure wasn't striving to perform poorly in the FA Cup final - but 'colleague' would require Hendo to also be a referee (perhaps he is?) and I think it's fair to say Taylor's not ready yet for a CL final and I don't think has performed to such a high level in Europe this season to justify such an honour.

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ryan80 on Sun 16 Aug 2020 18:32
Hendo

That's embarrassing and hugely disrespectful toward a colleague

He has spent about 10 years on here doing that!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ryan80 on Sun 16 Aug 2020 18:34
Leipzig v Paris SG (Benfica Stadium - Lisbon - Tuesday 18th August - 8pm - BT Sport 1)

Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant referees: Sander van Roekel (NED) and Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
Fourth official: Artur Dias (POR)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Sun 16 Aug 2020 19:11
Pleased he's not being punished after that Russian manager duped him.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: referee12 on Sun 16 Aug 2020 19:24
is their a chance that Taylor or Oliver will get a semi or a showpiece final
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Sun 16 Aug 2020 19:45
is their a chance that Taylor or Oliver will get a semi or a showpiece final

Taylor seems to be preferred by UEFA so I'd say he's the most likely. Perhaps an outside chance of the other CL semi (or even the Europa League final if Man Utd don't make it) but I think it's probably too soon. Perhaps he might get the Super Cup in September if no English team in it.

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ajb95 on Sun 16 Aug 2020 20:59
Is there anyone with a more annoying whistle tone than Herr Brych??? Every foul is a 10 second rasp!  :-\
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Sun 16 Aug 2020 22:13
Is there anyone with a more annoying whistle tone than Herr Brych??? Every foul is a 10 second rasp!  :-\

I thought United were in the Europa League  ;)

(It's certainly past tense now!)

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: rustyref on Sun 16 Aug 2020 22:22
Is there anyone with a more annoying whistle tone than Herr Brych??? Every foul is a 10 second rasp!  :-\

Its a German thing.  I've assessed German referees and suggested they might want to vary their whistle tone, only be looked at by them as if I've suggested the World is flat ...  :)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: DBLTFC on Mon 17 Aug 2020 07:47
Apologies for being a bit slow on this, but why is Taylor being preferred ahead of Oliver? Clearly (in my opinion anyway), Michael is the better referee.

Best referee for the best games...?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: greeny on Mon 17 Aug 2020 08:28
Hard to say without speaking to someone at UEFA!  Maybe Anthony's more outgoing and confident style suits what UEFA are looking for better, or maybe Anthony has just performed better in European games than Michael.  If you look at the calibre of games Anthony has had in Europe this season, there is no doubt that he is rated very highly by UEFA, so he must be doing something right.

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: tomp on Mon 17 Aug 2020 09:22
Semi Final: Estádio José Alvalade - Lisbon Wednesday 19th August 20:00

Lyon V Bayern Munich
Referee: Antonio Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Assistant Referee: Pau Cebrián Devís (ESP)
Assistant Referee: Roberto del Palomar (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: José María Sánchez (ESP)
Fourth Official: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Ref Fan on Mon 17 Aug 2020 09:25
Hendo

That's embarrassing and hugely disrespectful toward a colleague

It was probably a little harsh - Taylor undoubtedly has his qualities and I'm sure wasn't striving to perform poorly in the FA Cup final - but 'colleague' would require Hendo to also be a referee (perhaps he is?) and I think it's fair to say Taylor's not ready yet for a CL final and I don't think has performed to such a high level in Europe this season to justify such an honour.

I think Readingfan puts it very fairly.  If there's 1 aspect for both Taylor and Oliver that slightly disappoints me, it's that my impression is neither has yet developed quite as much as hoped, although I appreciate they are still relatively new in the elite category.  They don't yet have the stature or presence of a Brych, Cakir, Skomina or Kuipers for example who I recognise are vastly more experienced and older.  Maybe it will still come, especially as Oliver is only 35, and I've not read any reports to suggest either has performed badly in Europe this season.   

Perhaps I'm being unfair (as a non-referee) but I have the same sense of some of our other SG1 referees.  Have Pawson and Tierney to name two really come on as much as one would expect in the PL?  Could either make elite category with FIFA?  They, as well as Taylor and Oliver, are all good referees of course.  But can they reach that very top drawer of excellence? 
 


Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Mackem ref on Mon 17 Aug 2020 09:41
I agree with what you mention ref fan. One factor for me is expectation. Our referees are expected to have a totally different style domestically compared to in Europe. Premier League is all about managing games, reducing the number of cards and doing everything you possible can to keep 22 players on the field! Whereas European matches is all about applying the law strictly - a yellow is a yellow, no negotiation. It would help our refs greatly IMO if PL adopted the European way - they would find refereeing in Europe easier and there would be more consistency within and between games domestically!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 17 Aug 2020 10:36
I agree with what you mention ref fan. One factor for me is expectation. Our referees are expected to have a totally different style domestically compared to in Europe. Premier League is all about managing games, reducing the number of cards and doing everything you possible can to keep 22 players on the field! Whereas European matches is all about applying the law strictly - a yellow is a yellow, no negotiation. It would help our refs greatly IMO if PL adopted the European way - they would find refereeing in Europe easier and there would be more consistency within and between games domestically!

I'm not sure I really agree with that. Nowadays I think managing the game at international level is seen as just as important a skill (perhaps even more important, if you think back to the last two World Cups in particular which had very lenient refereeing).

I'd argue that Taylor has probably done better than many expected - I think it took him a while to settle when promoted to Premier League and I certainly wasn't expecting him to do PSG V Real Madrid in the Champions League and so on. I think he's done fine.

At 35, I'd say Oliver is also in a very good place. He's not reached the very top yet internationally but then Webb/Clattenburg/Atkinson have all been around for much of his time until the last few years. I'm sure he's done major finals/semi-finals at FIFA tournaments and is consistently one of the top performers in the PL. I'd agree that hasn't fully translated into CL appointments yet but I'd say that's as much to do with UEFA as Oliver, and I'm sure his chance will come. His development could certainly have easily been much worse than it has been!

I think Tierney has at least met expectations, perhaps surpassed them. He's only been in the PL four seasons but has done the likes of Arsenal V Liverpool, Man Utd V Spurs and Arsenal V Man City last season. It took Andre Marriner longer to reach that sort of level of game.

Craig Pawson's the one that I might agree with - I don't think he's done poorly or anything like that but he really made an impression in his first year or two on the PL and I'm not sure he's quite kicked on from there as much as he maybe could have. He's 41 I believe now, so not sure how much further he'll go in Europe.

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: greeny on Mon 17 Aug 2020 10:43
Hendo

That's embarrassing and hugely disrespectful toward a colleague

It was probably a little harsh - Taylor undoubtedly has his qualities and I'm sure wasn't striving to perform poorly in the FA Cup final - but 'colleague' would require Hendo to also be a referee (perhaps he is?) and I think it's fair to say Taylor's not ready yet for a CL final and I don't think has performed to such a high level in Europe this season to justify such an honour.

I think Readingfan puts it very fairly.  If there's 1 aspect for both Taylor and Oliver that slightly disappoints me, it's that my impression is neither has yet developed quite as much as hoped, although I appreciate they are still relatively new in the elite category.  They don't yet have the stature or presence of a Brych, Cakir, Skomina or Kuipers for example who I recognise are vastly more experienced and older.  Maybe it will still come, especially as Oliver is only 35, and I've not read any reports to suggest either has performed badly in Europe this season.   

Perhaps I'm being unfair (as a non-referee) but I have the same sense of some of our other SG1 referees.  Have Pawson and Tierney to name two really come on as much as one would expect in the PL?  Could either make elite category with FIFA?  They, as well as Taylor and Oliver, are all good referees of course.  But can they reach that very top drawer of excellence?

Craig and Paul are probably too old to make it to Elite, certainly Tierney who seems to be directed down the VAR route.  I would say Tierney has done well, but Craig has stagnated.  Kavanagh seems to have become a bit stagnant too, but his recent promotion to group 1, with time on his side, and with a bit of a push - I think he will be our next Elite referee.

I think this season was not the best season for Taylor or Oliver, Taylor was very good in the first half of the season but very mixed in the second half.  Oliver impressed me less than he did others - there were a few high profile matches where I felt he was not that great.  Both will need to be more consistent to make it to the top. 

The reason I think Taylor seems to be doing better than Oliver in Europe is down to their styles of refereeing.  Taylor tends to use cards more, and is more demonstrative in his approach, which suits the European style of football.  Oliver is more reserved and man manages more, which works better in England.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 17 Aug 2020 12:22
I'm a bit surprised by Lahoz' appointment as I thought he was most likely for the final with no Spanish teams involved.

I wonder if someone will get it for a second time - Cakir perhaps?

I wouldn't be surprised if Hategan gets the CL final.

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Mon 17 Aug 2020 13:27
Have Pawson and Tierney to name two really come on as much as one would expect in the PL?  Could either make elite category with FIFA? 

Craig & Paul are too old for elite now - UEFA don't tend to promote to elite after around age 40 so as to give the referees time to gain experience at elite level ahead of major tournaments.

Thereagin it appears on this forum that Craig can do no right. He's not one of the popular crowd and reason will always been found for something he's not done right - his socks weren't level, one shoe lace was longer than the other or some such guff. He's a decent young ref and has increased in all aspects this season, especially since the return from the covid break but he could deliver a masterclass every single game & some on here would still find something wrong - the contrast of Mike Dean who apparently is always perfect even when he's not... The bias is very noticable!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: JCFC on Mon 17 Aug 2020 13:52
Have Pawson and Tierney to name two really come on as much as one would expect in the PL?  Could either make elite category with FIFA? 

Craig & Paul are too old for elite now - UEFA don't tend to promote to elite after around age 40 ...

... which is roughly when the authorities here seem to start promoting them! With luck Rob Jones will not be held back too long and may still have a chance to move upwards. Sadly, it would seem to be too late already for Darren England, who is now in his mid thirties. As predicted, the introduction of SG2 has proved a further obstacle. Fortunately, there are signs that some younger officials are being fast-tracked - and not a moment too soon.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: MJW89 on Mon 17 Aug 2020 13:57
Am I right in thinking that we have 2 spaces left to nominate referees for FIFA - currently have 8 listed? It will be interesting to see if either England or Jones are nominated in their first year as Coote and Madley were. I believe they are both in their early 30s? So plenty of time to progress on the international stage. I think Rob Jones is an exceptional referee and can see him becoming part of the elite group in time but agree that Kavanagh is in pole position to take over from Taylor in that sense.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: JCFC on Mon 17 Aug 2020 14:05
Welcome MJW89, and as you will see, I agree with your comments. I wonder whether Mr England's time as a FIFA assistant will count in his favour.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 17 Aug 2020 15:05
Have Pawson and Tierney to name two really come on as much as one would expect in the PL?  Could either make elite category with FIFA? 

Craig & Paul are too old for elite now - UEFA don't tend to promote to elite after around age 40 so as to give the referees time to gain experience at elite level ahead of major tournaments.

Thereagin it appears on this forum that Craig can do no right. He's not one of the popular crowd and reason will always been found for something he's not done right - his socks weren't level, one shoe lace was longer than the other or some such guff. He's a decent young ref and has increased in all aspects this season, especially since the return from the covid break but he could deliver a masterclass every single game & some on here would still find something wrong - the contrast of Mike Dean who apparently is always perfect even when he's not... The bias is very noticable!

I can't say I've really noticed any great dislike of Pawson. I remember him being very popular when he first started on PL, before his perceived stagnation as mentioned. I've seen many positive comments about him since the restart and I think most would probably put him in the generally good/dependable group of officials who still has the potential to go a bit further.

As for Mike Dean, I think it's clear there's a few people who have a bias against him because of his demeanour and refereeing style. It's true there are many posters who praise him but then is that bias or just an accurate reflection of affairs? Personally I think he's been the best English referee in terms of consistency over the last 10-15 years. Obviously others are free to disagree.

Of course it's true that it is human nature to have preconceptions and influences on our opinions, and many people will be more forgiving of an error by someone we generally regard in a positive light compared to someone we rate less. We should do our best to be as open-minded as possible but I'm sure pretty much all of us have certain biases, however sub-conscious - even you!



Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Mon 17 Aug 2020 15:47
Have Pawson and Tierney to name two really come on as much as one would expect in the PL?  Could either make elite category with FIFA? 

Craig & Paul are too old for elite now - UEFA don't tend to promote to elite after around age 40 so as to give the referees time to gain experience at elite level ahead of major tournaments.


The only time that UEFA promoted someone over 40 to the Elite was at Dec. 2018. The promotion of Del Cerro Grande at age 42.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Mon 17 Aug 2020 15:51
Apologies for being a bit slow on this, but why is Taylor being preferred ahead of Oliver? Clearly (in my opinion anyway), Michael is the better referee.

Best referee for the best games...?

Both referees were promoted to the Elite by PLC. PLC clearly favors Oliver. It was evident from the RM-JUV appointment.

When Rosetti took over, he seemed to focus more on Taylor. Probably he feels that his style suits better the requirements of International matches. Plus Rosetti values decision-making accuracy. Oliver had a few problems on his past with penalty area incidents and I believe that this also played a part.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Mon 17 Aug 2020 16:05

I can't say I've really noticed any great dislike of Pawson. I remember him being very popular when he first started on PL, before his perceived stagnation as mentioned. I've seen many positive comments about him since the restart and I think most would probably put him in the generally good/dependable group of officials who still has the potential to go a bit further.

As for Mike Dean, I think it's clear there's a few people who have a bias against him because of his demeanour and refereeing style. It's true there are many posters who praise him but then is that bias or just an accurate reflection of affairs? Personally I think he's been the best English referee in terms of consistency over the last 10-15 years. Obviously others are free to disagree.

Of course it's true that it is human nature to have preconceptions and influences on our opinions, and many people will be more forgiving of an error by someone we generally regard in a positive light compared to someone we rate less. We should do our best to be as open-minded as possible but I'm sure pretty much all of us have certain biases, however sub-conscious - even you!


I do indeed - Mr Solymosi has never made a single error.

Everyone else though gets judged on their performance on the day not whether I like them or not even Karakó & Vad, my 2 most disliked referees at domestic level. Danny McDermid taught me that lesson many years ago now. I tend not to watch any games involving Karasev or Hategan and even if I do I am unlikely to comment on them because I know I will be biased against them.

Personally I think Mike Dean is a great referee and has been consistently excellent for many years but he is as fallible to having a bad game as any of our other referees, he does make mistakes, just like everyone else and those games always come with an excuse on here or get glossed over or just ignored with comments as he's been our best for years now, it's rarely if ever accepted that he too can have a poor day at the office. That annoys me - it's ok to accept that he is actually a mere human and can call decisions wrong, too many won't though. Craig however is one that when you read the write ups on here, very rarely gets a lot of praise even when deserved and it often comes with a but... That also annoys me!  Judge on the performance and not the name of the referee.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Mon 17 Aug 2020 16:06
Have Pawson and Tierney to name two really come on as much as one would expect in the PL?  Could either make elite category with FIFA? 

Craig & Paul are too old for elite now - UEFA don't tend to promote to elite after around age 40 so as to give the referees time to gain experience at elite level ahead of major tournaments.


The only time that UEFA promoted someone over 40 to the Elite was at Dec. 2018. The promotion of Del Cerro Grande at age 42.

Hoping they will do so for Bognár this Jan. If not it's going to be 5-7 years before Hungary gets another elite referee.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 17 Aug 2020 17:58

I can't say I've really noticed any great dislike of Pawson. I remember him being very popular when he first started on PL, before his perceived stagnation as mentioned. I've seen many positive comments about him since the restart and I think most would probably put him in the generally good/dependable group of officials who still has the potential to go a bit further.

As for Mike Dean, I think it's clear there's a few people who have a bias against him because of his demeanour and refereeing style. It's true there are many posters who praise him but then is that bias or just an accurate reflection of affairs? Personally I think he's been the best English referee in terms of consistency over the last 10-15 years. Obviously others are free to disagree.

Of course it's true that it is human nature to have preconceptions and influences on our opinions, and many people will be more forgiving of an error by someone we generally regard in a positive light compared to someone we rate less. We should do our best to be as open-minded as possible but I'm sure pretty much all of us have certain biases, however sub-conscious - even you!


I do indeed - Mr Solymosi has never made a single error.

Everyone else though gets judged on their performance on the day not whether I like them or not even Karakó & Vad, my 2 most disliked referees at domestic level. Danny McDermid taught me that lesson many years ago now. I tend not to watch any games involving Karasev or Hategan and even if I do I am unlikely to comment on them because I know I will be biased against them.

Personally I think Mike Dean is a great referee and has been consistently excellent for many years but he is as fallible to having a bad game as any of our other referees, he does make mistakes, just like everyone else and those games always come with an excuse on here or get glossed over or just ignored with comments as he's been our best for years now, it's rarely if ever accepted that he too can have a poor day at the office. That annoys me - it's ok to accept that he is actually a mere human and can call decisions wrong, too many won't though. Craig however is one that when you read the write ups on here, very rarely gets a lot of praise even when deserved and it often comes with a but... That also annoys me!  Judge on the performance and not the name of the referee.

I'd say that choosing not to comment on certain referees because you know you will be biased against them is a manifestation of what you say about performances that go against our expectations/preconceptions being ignored.

I agree that we should try and judge on an individual performance as much as possible but I think it's understandable - and in some cases fine - to incorporate that into a broader discussion about that particular referee. I think noting that X has had a good game but needs to do it more consistently is a reasonable observation as it acknowledges the wider picture.

Of course suggesting a referee's decision is correct/incorrect when the evidence suggests the opposite should be challenged, and perhaps posters need to be encouraged to continue doing that when they have a view different to the consensus. I can understand though why human nature dictates we have more patience/sympathy with someone when we judge mistakes/bad performances to be rare rather than common.

 
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Mon 17 Aug 2020 18:10

I'd say that choosing not to comment on certain referees because you know you will be biased against them is a manifestation of what you say about performances that go against our expectations/preconceptions being ignored.


I choose not to comment on them because I am aware of my bias and I don't think it is fair on them for me to comment knowing I could take any small error and blow it out of proportion simply due to my intense dislike of them.  That's not to say that I would not say they have had a great game if that was the case - I would rather see both of them go out & put in an outstanding performance. I want that from every referee. I have actually commented on Hategan 2/3 times since the NI debacle and even praised some of his decision making because it deserved the praise. I've avoided watching Karasev since the Hungary debacle.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 17 Aug 2020 18:15

I'd say that choosing not to comment on certain referees because you know you will be biased against them is a manifestation of what you say about performances that go against our expectations/preconceptions being ignored.


I choose not to comment on them because I am aware of my bias and I don't think it is fair on them for me to comment knowing I could take any small error and blow it out of proportion simply due to my intense dislike of them.  That's not to say that I would not say they have had a great game if that was the case - I would rather see both of them go out & put in an outstanding performance. I want that from every referee. I have actually commented on Hategan 2/3 times since the NI debacle and even praised some of his decision making because it deserved the praise. I've avoided watching Karasev since the Hungary debacle.

That's fair enough and good that you are aware of that potential bias.

But then you also say someone like Criag Pawson doesn't get praised when deserved - what if there are posters who feel similarly about him as you do Hategan for instance?

The other thing of course is that not every match has a thread started, so I guess there is naturally a selective process in terms of what gets discussed in the first place.

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Mon 17 Aug 2020 20:14

The other thing of course is that not every match has a thread started, so I guess there is naturally a selective process in terms of what gets discussed in the first place.



All posters can start a thread. There is a very noticeable bias for who people rush to praise and for those they only mention if an error or perceived error is involved regardless of the teams involved so it's not linked to perhaps not getting the bigger games every week. The pattern has been the same for years, I'm not the only one who has commented on it & you can go back across the last 4-5 years and you'll see similar comments from me & others.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: PhiltheRef on Mon 17 Aug 2020 20:28
I think Mr Dean has been our best referee for some considerable time....Yes, better than Anthony🤪🤪
I also believe that with a bit of luck and a following wind Rob Jones will make it to the very top, leaving  other English Referees behind
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: edy on Mon 17 Aug 2020 20:37
Have Pawson and Tierney to name two really come on as much as one would expect in the PL?  Could either make elite category with FIFA? 

Craig & Paul are too old for elite now - UEFA don't tend to promote to elite after around age 40 so as to give the referees time to gain experience at elite level ahead of major tournaments.


The only time that UEFA promoted someone over 40 to the Elite was at Dec. 2018. The promotion of Del Cerro Grande at age 42.

Hoping they will do so for Bognár this Jan. If not it's going to be 5-7 years before Hungary gets another elite referee.

I would like to see Bognar promoted but IMO that's very difficult. He is appointed only in EL and not CL. So I believe that UEFA sees him as a solid 1st group referee.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Mon 17 Aug 2020 21:04
Have Pawson and Tierney to name two really come on as much as one would expect in the PL?  Could either make elite category with FIFA? 

Craig & Paul are too old for elite now - UEFA don't tend to promote to elite after around age 40 so as to give the referees time to gain experience at elite level ahead of major tournaments.


The only time that UEFA promoted someone over 40 to the Elite was at Dec. 2018. The promotion of Del Cerro Grande at age 42.

Hoping they will do so for Bognár this Jan. If not it's going to be 5-7 years before Hungary gets another elite referee.

I would like to see Bognar promoted but IMO that's very difficult. He is appointed only in EL and not CL. So I believe that UEFA sees him as a solid 1st group referee.

Have to agree Edy. Sadly! It is however our only hope of having an elite referee any time soon! He & Vad are both 41, Vad is always injured and not elite material anyway, he's too inconsistent. Farkas our only group 2 ref is 38.  Karako is 37, Berke 36 & still in Group 3. Berke is probably the only one who can make it to elite currently and only if he gets promoted to group 2 in Jan. Future looking very bleak in refereeing terms here.

Bogár gets his badge in Jan, he turns 29 next week. Our Federation have to be radical this year, remove Vad & Karako & replace them with Pillók (29) & Csonka (28). If we're going to be without an elite referee anyway we may as well get the 3 youngsters all onto the list now and gaining experience.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 17 Aug 2020 22:37

The other thing of course is that not every match has a thread started, so I guess there is naturally a selective process in terms of what gets discussed in the first place.



All posters can start a thread. There is a very noticeable bias for who people rush to praise and for those they only mention if an error or perceived error is involved regardless of the teams involved so it's not linked to perhaps not getting the bigger games every week. The pattern has been the same for years, I'm not the only one who has commented on it & you can go back across the last 4-5 years and you'll see similar comments from me & others.

Of course - but you've said yourself you are influenced in who you comment on, so there's always going to be a selective process and I guess  generally opinions don't fluctuate too much once set. That's just human nature.

Ultimately if a poster feels a particular referee should get more praise/criticism then they should start threads or post such comments on threads.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: redman2014 on Tue 18 Aug 2020 09:08
Daniele Orsato (ITA), Danny Makkelie (NED), Szymon Marciniak (POL), Anthony Taylor (ENG), Clément Turpin (FRA).

One of these for the final?

I would rule out Marcinak.

Does the fact that working with VAR week in, week out rule out Hategan?

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Ref Fan on Tue 18 Aug 2020 09:40
If one of the French teams get through, it would rule out Turpin and there is still the possibility of the Final being awarded to someone who's already had it.
Could Lahoz still be in with a shout despite having a SF?

I'll leave edy and others to advise on who might be regarded as 'senior' and in form of Orsato, Makkelie, Taylor and Hategan.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ajb95 on Tue 18 Aug 2020 10:12
If one of the French teams get through, it would rule out Turpin and there is still the possibility of the Final being awarded to someone who's already had it.
Could Lahoz still be in with a shout despite having a SF?

I'll leave edy and others to advise on who might be regarded as 'senior' and in form of Orsato, Makkelie, Taylor and Hategan.

I would say Makkelie is the best out of those
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Tue 18 Aug 2020 10:22
If one of the French teams get through, it would rule out Turpin and there is still the possibility of the Final being awarded to someone who's already had it.
Could Lahoz still be in with a shout despite having a SF?

I'll leave edy and others to advise on who might be regarded as 'senior' and in form of Orsato, Makkelie, Taylor and Hategan.

I would say Makkelie is the best out of those

I'd probably agree - but I'd be surprised if he got it over Lahoz. He's only 37 I think and still seems relatively new to elite level refereeing (certainly for the top games), whereas Lahoz is 33 and there could easily be Spanish teams the next few years.

I think having a referee appointed a second time like Skomina or Cakir is quite possible. I'm not fully convinced by Orsato but he's 45 at the end of this year so if he's going to do it now is the time.



Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: greeny on Tue 18 Aug 2020 15:56
Danny Makkelie has the Europa League final, so we can rule him out.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Tue 18 Aug 2020 16:49
If one of the French teams get through, it would rule out Turpin and there is still the possibility of the Final being awarded to someone who's already had it.
Could Lahoz still be in with a shout despite having a SF?

I'll leave edy and others to advise on who might be regarded as 'senior' and in form of Orsato, Makkelie, Taylor and Hategan.

In terms of seniority I think it goes from the year they joined FIFA but it could be the year they were promoted to elite which would in a way make more sense. In terms of longevity on the list as a whole Hategan would be the most senior.

Hategan 2008
Orsato 2010
Makkelie 2011
Taylor 2013

As mentioned by Greeny, Makkelie has the Europa League final so he is now ruled out.

As for who is in form - not a clue! The very little European football I watch the refs are all 2nd category at most, normally 3rd! I know them better than the elite group!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Tue 18 Aug 2020 16:56
Daniele Orsato (ITA), Danny Makkelie (NED), Szymon Marciniak (POL), Anthony Taylor (ENG), Clément Turpin (FRA).

One of these for the final?

I would rule out Marcinak.

Does the fact that working with VAR week in, week out rule out Hategan?



Romania, like Hungary, use the Saudi League for VAR experience for their elite refs.  Hategan did around 6 games there last season (as in 19/20) as referee and normally while there they do a 2nd game as VAR as well to also get that experience.  He also had at least 1 appointment in the King's Cup there as well as the 6 in the domestic league which is another VAR game under his belt.

They actually often do 3 games whilst there - one as ref, one as 4O and one as VAR so they get the VAR experience from all 3 positions. At least our refs from Hungary do and I would assume it's the same for Hategan and Kovács from Romania. The Saudi League are very accomodating in that regard mainly because they get a lot of foreign elite refs doing their domestic games which helps them preventing similar allegations the Russian league is blighted with!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: BabyRef on Thu 20 Aug 2020 13:42
Orsato appointed to final - confirmed
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: greeny on Thu 20 Aug 2020 14:02
The full team is

Referee: Daniele Orsato (Italy)
Assistants: Lorenzo Manganelli, Alessandro Giallatini (both from Italy)
4th official: Ovidiu Hațegan (Romania)
VAR: Massimiliano Irrati (Italy)
VAR Assistant: Marco Guida (Italy)
Offside VAR: Roberto Diaz Pérez del Palomar (Spain)
VAR Support: Alejandro Hernández Hernández (Spain)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: BabyRef on Thu 20 Aug 2020 14:03
Another final for Irrati!
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Thu 20 Aug 2020 14:52
Another final for Irrati!

UEFA obviously not as bothered about penalty encroachment as FIFA seem to be!

I'm not really convinced by Orsato. I think Rocchi was a level above and Rizolli/Rossetti several - not even to mention Collina!

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: referee12 on Thu 20 Aug 2020 19:38
would have it been possible to have Taylor/Oliver for the final as an alternative to orsato?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Hendo on Fri 21 Aug 2020 15:49
would have it been possible to have Taylor/Oliver for the final as an alternative to orsato?

Possibly but not both of them. 😂
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: RCG on Fri 21 Aug 2020 15:58
To use Readings analogy at the moment Taylor is above Oliver in UEFAs eyes but is a step below where Clattenburg was and a distance to Howard Webb
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Fri 21 Aug 2020 16:01
When was the last time a Spanish referee officiated the Champions League final come to think of it?

Was it in 2005?

(i know that Spanish teams have been in a lot of finals since.)
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: BAFRA #217 on Fri 21 Aug 2020 21:52
When was the last time a Spanish referee officiated the Champions League final come to think of it?

Was it in 2005?

(i know that Spanish teams have been in a lot of finals since.)

2005 - Manuel Mejuto González
1996 - Manuel Díaz Vega
1969 - José María Ortiz de Mendíbil
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Gorgeous George on Sun 23 Aug 2020 21:21
Wasn’t 2005 Kim Milten Nielsen for the Liverpool v Milan game?
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Hertsref123 on Sun 23 Aug 2020 21:43
Wasn’t 2005 Kim Milten Nielsen for the Liverpool v Milan game?

No, he was 2004.
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Sun 23 Aug 2020 22:37
Was Irrati even there tonight?!

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 24 Aug 2020 09:07
Was Irrati even there tonight?!

Agreed a poor display all round
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 24 Aug 2020 13:04
When was the last time a Spanish referee officiated the Champions League final come to think of it?

Was it in 2005?

(i know that Spanish teams have been in a lot of finals since.)

2005 - Manuel Mejuto González
1996 - Manuel Díaz Vega
1969 - José María Ortiz de Mendíbil

Thanks.

It seems surprising Spain have only had one referee do the CL final in the 21st century considering Switzerland (quite rightly) have had two. (I know there are more Spanish than Swiss teams doing well in Europe!)

I was also surprised by how long it was since France had a referee do the fianl and indeed the fact that there'd been no Swedish referee doing it since the 1980s (I can think of at least three who I'd have said were good enough to do it.)

Looking through the list, I'd say Orsato was probably the weakest to be appointed to a final since the mid 2000s - quite rare for a referee to get the final without having refereed at a Euros or World Cup first (I guess happened with Clattenburg just about although he went on to do the Euro 2016 final and had done CL semi-finals previously so was clearly at that sort of level.)

Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: Hendo on Mon 24 Aug 2020 13:59
When was the last time a Spanish referee officiated the Champions League final come to think of it?

Was it in 2005?

(i know that Spanish teams have been in a lot of finals since.)

2005 - Manuel Mejuto González
1996 - Manuel Díaz Vega
1969 - José María Ortiz de Mendíbil

Thanks.

It seems surprising Spain have only had one referee do the CL final in the 21st century considering Switzerland (quite rightly) have had two. (I know there are more Spanish than Swiss teams doing well in Europe!)

I was also surprised by how long it was since France had a referee do the fianl and indeed the fact that there'd been no Swedish referee doing it since the 1980s (I can think of at least three who I'd have said were good enough to do it.)

Looking through the list, I'd say Orsato was probably the weakest to be appointed to a final since the mid 2000s - quite rare for a referee to get the final without having refereed at a Euros or World Cup first (I guess happened with Clattenburg just about although he went on to do the Euro 2016 final and had done CL semi-finals previously so was clearly at that sort of level.)

I am sure you will mean Peter Fjordfeldt among that lot. A superb referee who always seemed to have great respect from the players. When you think he never had the Final and yet someone like Orsato has then it perhaps shows the dearth of good officials today or the plethora of good ones in years past.  Or both
Title: Re: 2019/20 UEFA Champions League
Post by: bmb on Thu 03 Sep 2020 03:52
Of course it's true that it is human nature to have preconceptions and influences on our opinions, and many people will be more forgiving of an error by someone we generally regard in a positive light compared to someone we rate less. We should do our best to be as open-minded as possible but I'm sure pretty much all of us have certain biases, however sub-conscious - even you!

Hey Readingfan an example of my bias... My most disliked referee (well joint most disliked with Vad at least) Ferenc Karakó refereed my team at the weekend, a game in which we lost 3-2, had a penalty given against us and 2 players sent off.  Quote from my NBI thread.

Onto Mr Karakó. Many mistakes first half but only one at the hands of team ref! Csatári Tibor with a dreadful offside call against Felcsút. Judging how dodgy my Lilák's defence has been I'll happily take it!! Pajovic back in goal so we are down to 10 men as it is. A bunch of NBIII teenagers managed to knock one passed him within 5 mins & he nearly gifted them a 2nd one a few mins later - thankfully 1 defender was awake and cleared it off the line.  Hope Banai will be back soon.  Yellow card for Burekovic - who is living proof that you can't cure stupid. Every single week he is this dumb and rightly gets booked. Red card for Stieber - utter stupidity. There was a foul on Stieber & Mr Karakó blew for the foul, while both players were still on the floor, Stieber raked his studs down the Felcsút players calf and kicked him right over. Good spot from Mr Karakó who quite rightly sent him off. It's 1-1 at half time, my team are down to 10, well 9 as Pajovic is in goal and struggling against a bunch of teenagers from 2 leagues below!  Felcsút have had to field their teenagers from the NBIII team because of the positive covid-19 tests, the MLSZ refused to allow them to also postpone this game, they have already postponed 2.

It didn't improve none. Lilák need to hang their heads in shame, out played & outclassed by a group of kids who play 2 leagues lower. 3-2 defeat in the end.

Mr Karokó continued to have a good game. Penalty against my Lilák spot on. Vincent can add his name to the idiots list. Some child going away from goal towards the byline and right before he runs out of the pen area Vincent decides to bowl him over & give a dumb pen away - just why?? Then just before the end Burekovic strikes again - not on goal that would be too much to hope for! Just in case we missed his can't cure stupid moment in the first half he had another one, earned himself a 2nd yellow and therefore a red. Not sure why he was screaming at Mr Karakó, there was only one person in the wrong and it wasn't Mr Karakó! Shame Mr Karakó had run out of cards to give him at that point, at least he is banned next match! If someone could just drop Pajovic & Burekovic the Serb side of the border before midnight when they close I'd be ever so grateful - please and thank you!