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General Refereeing => General Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on Thu 16 Mar 2023 20:02
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This should be an interesting game from the refs point of view. Wouldn't have said that these 2 are the best combo based on their own individual shenanigans but let's see.
Being fair he's been the Lahoz of old in the first half. Great performance so far.
Great 90'. Just needs to keep it up for another 30'. Lovely advantage for the Lisbon goal.
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However good Lahoz has been I absolutely hate the way he conducts himself by emphatically telling players to get up which I feel is sometimes quite aggressive
I know many of you here will probably disagree
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Crazy tackle and an absolutely correct second yellow. Lahoz is crazy the way he deals with it. I am certainly not a fan of Lahoz and his antics.
Arsenal staff and players clearly don’t know the laws with Holding not being part of the penalties due to the RC
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Thought Lahoz was ok, unfortunately for us the 3 penalties that we would have got all of our players were offside in the build up and all the correct decisions, but the thing that got me and I didn't know this was that we had to lose a penalty taker for the shootout because sporting went down to ten men, didn't know that was a thing just thought it would role back around if it got that far but It didn't bu also think it is slightly unfair because why should we lose a penalty taker because the opposition had a player sent off
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What it actually means is your weakest player doesn’t need to take a penalty
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Thought Lahoz was ok, unfortunately for us the 3 penalties that we would have got all of our players were offside in the build up and all the correct decisions, but the thing that got me and I didn't know this was that we had to lose a penalty taker for the shootout because sporting went down to ten men, didn't know that was a thing just thought it would role back around if it got that far but It didn't bu also think it is slightly unfair because why should we lose a penalty taker because the opposition had a player sent off
It should be an advantage to lose a penalty taker in such a case as you can nominate the person you least think will score, you still get the same amount of kicks but you rest your worst kicker.
Thought Lahoz had a pretty good game, only major query was playing advantage when the sporting player received a second yellow resulting in a red and another sporting player then committed a foul for which he received a yellow too.
Unfortunately for Martinelli football has a habit of kicking you in the teeth.
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That was the sort of game that Lahoz is really good at. Entertaining end to end game, he had minimal need to get involved, and the players clearly like him. The dangerous side of Lahoz, when things get heated, just started to creep in during stoppage time and he started to deploy his crazed approach of racing between situations getting overly emotional.
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Thought Lahoz was ok, unfortunately for us the 3 penalties that we would have got all of our players were offside in the build up and all the correct decisions, but the thing that got me and I didn't know this was that we had to lose a penalty taker for the shootout because sporting went down to ten men, didn't know that was a thing just thought it would role back around if it got that far but It didn't bu also think it is slightly unfair because why should we lose a penalty taker because the opposition had a player sent off
It should be an advantage to lose a penalty taker in such a case as you can nominate the person you least think will score, you still get the same amount of kicks but you rest your worst kicker.
Thought Lahoz had a pretty good game, only major query was playing advantage when the sporting player received a second yellow resulting in a red and another sporting player then committed a foul for which he received a yellow too.
Unfortunately for Martinelli football has a habit of kicking you in the teeth.
Yeah Sporting deserved it we ere poor in spells, did think Lahoz did let a few things go but he was better than I thought he was going to be and feared the worse, but going back to the penalties situation, I think it would of been a advantage even to have our worse taker because if it got that far which it didn't there GK would of been stepping up against one of our outfield players giving us an advantage, but like I said didn't get that far anyway and sporting deserved it, just wish Ramsdale had stayed on his line, or our players stayed onside, would of rather had lost in 90 than play 120 and lose on pens with a crucial league game coming up at weekend
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Thought Lahoz was ok, unfortunately for us the 3 penalties that we would have got all of our players were offside in the build up and all the correct decisions, but the thing that got me and I didn't know this was that we had to lose a penalty taker for the shootout because sporting went down to ten men, didn't know that was a thing just thought it would role back around if it got that far but It didn't bu also think it is slightly unfair because why should we lose a penalty taker because the opposition had a player sent off
It should be an advantage to lose a penalty taker in such a case as you can nominate the person you least think will score, you still get the same amount of kicks but you rest your worst kicker.
Thought Lahoz had a pretty good game, only major query was playing advantage when the sporting player received a second yellow resulting in a red and another sporting player then committed a foul for which he received a yellow too.
Unfortunately for Martinelli football has a habit of kicking you in the teeth.
Yeah Sporting deserved it we ere poor in spells, did think Lahoz did let a few things go but he was better than I thought he was going to be and feared the worse, but going back to the penalties situation, I think it would of been a advantage even to have our worse taker because if it got that far which it didn't there GK would of been stepping up against one of our outfield players giving us an advantage, but like I said didn't get that far anyway and sporting deserved it, just wish Ramsdale had stayed on his line, or our players stayed onside, would of rather had lost in 90 than play 120 and lose on pens with a crucial league game coming up at weekend
Some goalkeepers take penalties well and some let their keeper take them during the 90 mins, not many admittedly but alec stepney comes to mind for one.
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Thought Lahoz was ok, unfortunately for us the 3 penalties that we would have got all of our players were offside in the build up and all the correct decisions, but the thing that got me and I didn't know this was that we had to lose a penalty taker for the shootout because sporting went down to ten men, didn't know that was a thing just thought it would role back around if it got that far but It didn't bu also think it is slightly unfair because why should we lose a penalty taker because the opposition had a player sent off
Because that is what the LOTG say has to happen.
Law 10.3:
If at the end of the match and before or during the kicks one team has a greater number of players than its opponents, it must reduce its numbers to the same number as its opponents and the referee must be informed of the name and number of each player excluded. Any excluded player is not eligible to take part in the kicks
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Thought Lahoz was ok, unfortunately for us the 3 penalties that we would have got all of our players were offside in the build up and all the correct decisions, but the thing that got me and I didn't know this was that we had to lose a penalty taker for the shootout because sporting went down to ten men, didn't know that was a thing just thought it would role back around if it got that far but It didn't bu also think it is slightly unfair because why should we lose a penalty taker because the opposition had a player sent off
Because that is what the LOTG say has to happen.
Law 10.3:
If at the end of the match and before or during the kicks one team has a greater number of players than its opponents, it must reduce its numbers to the same number as its opponents and the referee must be informed of the name and number of each player excluded. Any excluded player is not eligible to take part in the kicks
Thanks for that never knew that was a law and was the first time I seen it last night and did find it strange we had to lose a player in the shootout, still think it is slightly unfair though even if a law because why should the team with 11 men on the field lose an advantage
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Thought Lahoz was ok, unfortunately for us the 3 penalties that we would have got all of our players were offside in the build up and all the correct decisions, but the thing that got me and I didn't know this was that we had to lose a penalty taker for the shootout because sporting went down to ten men, didn't know that was a thing just thought it would role back around if it got that far but It didn't bu also think it is slightly unfair because why should we lose a penalty taker because the opposition had a player sent off
Because that is what the LOTG say has to happen.
Law 10.3:
If at the end of the match and before or during the kicks one team has a greater number of players than its opponents, it must reduce its numbers to the same number as its opponents and the referee must be informed of the name and number of each player excluded. Any excluded player is not eligible to take part in the kicks
Thanks for that never knew that was a law and was the first time I seen it last night and did find it strange we had to lose a player in the shootout, still think it is slightly unfair though even if a law because why should the team with 11 men on the field lose an advantage
If you have 11 then you could have your worst taker up against their best. Thats not fair.
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Also bear in mind a team might be down to 10 for a reason other than a send off, they could have suffered injuries having already used all of their substitutions. It simply wouldn't be fair having the best taker from the team with 10 taking a penalty in the same round as the opponent's worst taker, usually but not always the keeper.
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I think rusty means the team with ten's best taker.
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I think rusty means the team with ten's best taker.
Indeed I do, I will edit
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MCPridz, why on earth do you think it’s unfair that you lose a player in the shoot-out? It’s a rule that actually works to your advantage, surely you can see that? Say for instance it goes to 10-10 in the shoot-out, because Sporting have only 10 players on the pitch their next penalty taker would revert to the player who took their first pen, ie, their best penalty taker, whilst Arsenal would have to use their 11th player, ie, their worst penalty taker. That is the reason for the rule, and it’s absolutely correct from a logical perspective. If you can explain to me how you think that is unfair on Arsenal, I’m all ears?
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MCPridz, why on earth do you think it’s unfair that you lose a player in the shoot-out? It’s a rule that actually works to your advantage, surely you can see that? Say for instance it goes to 10-10 in the shoot-out, because Sporting have only 10 players on the pitch their next penalty taker would revert to the player who took their first pen, ie, their best penalty taker, whilst Arsenal would have to use their 11th player, ie, their worst penalty taker. That is the reason for the rule, and it’s absolutely correct from a logical perspective. If you can explain to me how you think that is unfair on Arsenal, I’m all ears?
I get where you are coming from, I do but the reason I feel it is unfair is because there goalkeeper would have to take his penalty earlier, against one of our outfield players and yes he could score then our goal keeper would as you say against there best taker but there would be taking earlier
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I’ve read your explanation, MCPridz, and then re-read it 739 times, and I still haven’t got a scooby what you’re on about. I’ve now got a headache and am going for a lie down 🤯
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However good Lahoz has been I absolutely hate the way he conducts himself by emphatically telling players to get up which I feel is sometimes quite aggressive
I know many of you here will probably disagree
Totally disagree, if you think of the phycology of refereeing its just a performance and the referee is the lead actor in the show. Sadly we are lossing now the best officials of 2/3 generations now due to age / retirement. We won’t ever see a referee with the class of a Poll, Webb, Clattenburg, Dean, Lopez Nieto, Dauden Ibanez, Merk, Fandal, Frisk, Rizzoli, Loustau
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However good Lahoz has been I absolutely hate the way he conducts himself by emphatically telling players to get up which I feel is sometimes quite aggressive
I know many of you here will probably disagree
Totally disagree, if you think of the phycology of refereeing its just a performance and the referee is the lead actor in the show. Sadly we are lossing now the best officials of 2/3 generations now due to age / retirement. We won’t ever see a referee with the class of a Poll, Webb, Clattenburg, Dean, Lopez Nieto, Dauden Ibanez, Merk, Fandal, Frisk, Rizzoli, Loustau
Or Medina Cantalejo ( though he mellowed as he got older ) and Valentin Ivanov who was erratic
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Medina Cantajao another superb name to add to the list … my reply was a bit tongue in cheek but with regard to the very Mundane current no personality I mean that, referees use to make big bold brave decisions now there a heavy reliance on VAR sadly
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Having a personality, on the pitch, certainly seems to go against you these days which is a shame.