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General Refereeing => General Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on Sat 11 Mar 2023 23:29
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Never seen anything like this before, goalkeeper handles the ball outside the penalty area, having mistaken a rugby 22m line marking on the pitch as the edge of the box.
I know the sticklers for the rules won't like it but fair play to Sam for only giving a yellow in an understandable situation.
Also this is where the line needs to be drawn on multi purpose pitches. People need to put the game first over money and profit. 😅🤣😂.
https://streamin.me/v/d655bc79
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Common sense but also the correct decision anyway. Wouldn’t be DOGSO as attacker was never getting on to the ball anyway. YC totally correct.
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This is one that football fans don't seen to understand, thinking that a GK handling outside the area is an automatic red card.
This is not a DOGSO. Attacker is nowhere near the ball.
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Common sense but also the correct decision anyway. Wouldn’t be DOGSO as attacker was never getting on to the ball anyway. YC totally correct.
If it wasn't DOGSO (and I agree it wasn't) what is the "totally correct" yellow card for ? Hardly preventing a promising attack.
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Indeed, more about perception than accuracy
Maybe "idiocy" or "losing ones bearings" fall under unsporting behaviour
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Indeed, more about perception than accuracy
Maybe "idiocy" or "losing ones bearings" fall under unsporting behaviour
No. Nor does being confused by extraneous line on pitch.
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Common sense but also the correct decision anyway. Wouldn’t be DOGSO as attacker was never getting on to the ball anyway. YC totally correct.
If it wasn't DOGSO (and I agree it wasn't) what is the "totally correct" yellow card for ? Hardly preventing a promising attack.
This is either a red card or no card. I also agree that it wasn't DOGSO. A yellow card is not supportable in Law (although trying selling that to the attacking team at the time!).
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My point exactly, doesnt make it right
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Chris Foy's take on the incident below. He feels a caution is correct but doesn't categorise it. (Source: Sky Sports website).
"As has been spoken about over the weekend, there is a potential red card offence for a denial of a goal scoring opportunity (DOGSO), however I don't believe this warrants a dismissal. When the goalkeeper catches the ball, the nearest player is a defender. The positioning of the attacking player is key to the decision, as well as the likelihood of the attacker gaining control of the ball at the moment of the handball offence. The attacking player was not denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity, and I think the correct call on balance is a yellow card."
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Chris Foy's take on the incident below. He feels a caution is correct but doesn't categorise it. (Source: Sky Sports website).
"As has been spoken about over the weekend, there is a potential red card offence for a denial of a goal scoring opportunity (DOGSO), however I don't believe this warrants a dismissal. When the goalkeeper catches the ball, the nearest player is a defender. The positioning of the attacking player is key to the decision, as well as the likelihood of the attacker gaining control of the ball at the moment of the handball offence. The attacking player was not denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity, and I think the correct call on balance is a yellow card."
Chapter and verse on why it's not a red card but nothing on why he thinks it should be a yellow.
For clarity, there are three occasions when handball is a yellow card offence. They are:
Stopping a promising attack
Attempting to score a goal (whether or not the attempt is successful)
Unsuccessfully attempting to prevent a goal
None of these apply in this case (although I appreciate that some long-suffering Newport County fans might consider this to be a promising attack :)).
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May I add another thought that is from left field. The referee showed the GK the yellow card twice! Remembering referees have previously been sanctioned for this.
Please discuss........
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MAy I add another thought that is from left field. The referee showed the GK the yellow card twice! Remembering referees have previously been sanctioned for this.
Please discuss........
Watched again - I think he’s reached for the card straight away, then used that same hand to call the GK over (so you see a flash of card). You’re right though, others have been punished before, although never understand why the authorities get so concerned over such things, unless it actually causes confusion on the day.
The YC reason is interesting, as people have said. I feel it’s one of those that (probably wrongly) you have to give a YC if not a red, in order to ‘sell’ the decision.
On the whole game system, you can’t actually log a YC as stopping a promising attack (even though it’s in the laws) but ironically you can just put HB for handball!
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Chris Foy's take on the incident below. He feels a caution is correct but doesn't categorise it. (Source: Sky Sports website).
"As has been spoken about over the weekend, there is a potential red card offence for a denial of a goal scoring opportunity (DOGSO), however I don't believe this warrants a dismissal. When the goalkeeper catches the ball, the nearest player is a defender. The positioning of the attacking player is key to the decision, as well as the likelihood of the attacker gaining control of the ball at the moment of the handball offence. The attacking player was not denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity, and I think the correct call on balance is a yellow card."
Why people even both to read, let along regurgitate, the words of these officials of yesteryear is beyond me.
He can't even get the basics right with his support for a sanction that clearly has no justification from within the Laws or the guidance.
The suggestion elsewhere that a player should receive an undeserved card merely to help a referee sell a correct decision of no red card is totally unacceptable.
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MAy I add another thought that is from left field. The referee showed the GK the yellow card twice! Remembering referees have previously been sanctioned for this.
Please discuss........
Watched again - I think he’s reached for the card straight away, then used that same hand to call the GK over (so you see a flash of card). You’re right though, others have been punished before, although never understand why the authorities get so concerned over such things, unless it actually causes confusion on the day.
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I think he does actually show the card twice. Firstly to prevent any incitement from the opposition for a red and corresponding counter confrontations from his team and secondly at the end of his formal cautioning process. So what?
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Nemisis I agree so what, but Matt Messias might disagree.....
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At the top level, the refs are coached to ‘give what the game expects’. The YC would just be accepted. Rightly or wrongly, the reality is, he’d have had a hard job on the day convincing the players quickly that no card at all is the right decision. This then leads to further aggravation, players arguing, dissenting future YCs as ‘you didn’t even book the GK earlier’. I’d back the ref any day for making a sound common sense decision.
Football culture is at fault - in rugby the ref could calmly explain why, in law, no card was necessary in this case and it would be accepted immediately. In football, if he doesn’t give a decision in two seconds, he’s surrounded by hysterical players, coaches screaming, etc. (as you can see from the clip). These decisions are the consequence.
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At the top level, the refs are coached to ‘give what the game expects’. The YC would just be accepted. Rightly or wrongly, the reality is, he’d have had a hard job on the day convincing the players quickly that no card at all is the right decision. This then leads to further aggravation, players arguing, dissenting future YCs as ‘you didn’t even book the GK earlier’. I’d back the ref any day for making a sound common sense decision.
Football culture is at fault - in rugby the ref could calmly explain why, in law, no card was necessary in this case and it would be accepted immediately. In football, if he doesn’t give a decision in two seconds, he’s surrounded by hysterical players, coaches screaming, etc. (as you can see from the clip). These decisions are the consequence.
Then the culture of football needs to change. A strong FA needs to start at the top and rid the game of this insidious and unacceptable behaviour. This would be preferable to referees pandering to players who have no incentive to change their behaviour nor to understand the finer points of the Laws of the Game which gives them such a good living.
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" A strong FA " is, sadly in my view, a contradiction in terms. What the so called Guardians of the game should accept is that under their watch things have got to an entirely unacceptable level and ask for help and advice from fellow administrators in the game of Rugby in how to bring the situation round. I fear the complacency of the FA makes such a course of action very unlikely though.