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General Refereeing => General Discussion => Topic started by: Whistleblower on Tue 28 Feb 2023 11:56

Title: What's in a name ?
Post by: Whistleblower on Tue 28 Feb 2023 11:56
Over the past twenty or so years, double barrelled names have become far more common among professional footballers. I imagine this is a reflection of people wishing to honour the family names of both mother and father. Although I have seen dual surnames among referees lower down the pyramid, I am struggling to recall a referee on SG1, SG2, Football League or before that the National List who was so named. There was an AR called Proctor-Green some years ago and Upton records names of generations ago, Ross-Gower and Prince-Cox among them. Interesting quite a few of those double barrelled gentlemen in Upton held military rank.

Perhaps other memories are better than mine in this regard and I wonder if perhaps some of the double barrelled in the pyramid will keep their double names or be known by a single name if they get promoted to the higher echelons ?

Whistleblower....definitely singly and not doubly barrelled !
Title: Re: What's in a name ?
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 28 Feb 2023 12:54
Carl Fitch-Jackson is the only serving official in the EFL with such a unique arrangement of names.

Obviously if Kettle junior progresses to the level and ability of his father he will be on that list in the future?
Title: Re: What's in a name ?
Post by: TVOS on Tue 28 Feb 2023 12:58
Carl Fitch-Jackson is the only serving official in the EFL with such a unique arrangement of names.

Obviously if Kettle junior progresses to the level and ability of his father he will be on that list in the future?

There's also a Paul Lister-Flynn.
Title: Re: What's in a name ?
Post by: John Treleven on Tue 28 Feb 2023 13:43
There are also more double barrelled names now as the numbers of marriages decline
and both parents are effectively named on the birth certificates by the double barrelling

Carl Fitch-Jackson
Paul Lister-Flynn
Tom Reeves-Leck

are current officials
although Tom does not use the latter half
and Paul has only recently added his

Title: Re: What's in a name ?
Post by: John Treleven on Tue 28 Feb 2023 13:56
Up and coming double barrelled officials frfom the F.A. Youth Cup this season

R1 Dover Athletic v Langley - Ryan Chantrill-Smith AR2
R2 Bristol Rovers v Leyton Orient - Alexander Begbie-Dilks AR2
R3 A.F.C. Bournemouth v Liverpool - Alex Rush-Fear AR2
R3 Bristol City v Fleetwood Town - Alexander Begbie-Dilks AR1
R3 Crewe Alexandra v Cardiff City - Justice Abaka-Jacobs AR1
R3 Rochdale v Fulham - James Birch-Ford FO
R4 Sunderland v Fulham - Zac Kennard-Kettle FO

Referee called Justice!
Title: Re: What's in a name ?
Post by: bmb on Tue 28 Feb 2023 15:36
Sian Massey-Ellis
Rob Massey-Ellis
Title: Re: What's in a name ?
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Tue 28 Feb 2023 15:54
The Ross-Gower family were well known in S London / Surrey refereeing circles although only W Ross-Gower (1939-1947) made it to the full referees list.
Title: Re: What's in a name ?
Post by: Claretman on Tue 28 Feb 2023 16:14
If remember rightly shaun proctor green was from gainsborough, lincs and officiated at champions league level as an asistant.
Title: Re: What's in a name ?
Post by: Whistleblower on Tue 28 Feb 2023 16:20
Up and coming double barrelled officials frfom the F.A. Youth Cup this season

R1 Dover Athletic v Langley - Ryan Chantrill-Smith AR2
R2 Bristol Rovers v Leyton Orient - Alexander Begbie-Dilks AR2
R3 A.F.C. Bournemouth v Liverpool - Alex Rush-Fear AR2
R3 Bristol City v Fleetwood Town - Alexander Begbie-Dilks AR1
R3 Crewe Alexandra v Cardiff City - Justice Abaka-Jacobs AR1
R3 Rochdale v Fulham - James Birch-Ford FO
R4 Sunderland v Fulham - Zac Kennard-Kettle FO

Referee called Justice!

If this person ( I am presuming male ) is a lawyer and gets elevated to the High Court Bench then he would be Mr Justice Justice Abaka-Jacobs and he would be able to say, I am so good they named me twice !
Title: Re: What's in a name ?
Post by: ryan80 on Tue 28 Feb 2023 17:45
If remember rightly shaun proctor green was from gainsborough, lincs and officiated at champions league level as an asistant.

Yes that’s right, think he is still in the area. Whilst being an assistant referee he was a Maths teacher and would write the GCSE maths exams for AQA.
Title: Re: What's in a name ?
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 28 Feb 2023 17:46
Up and coming double barrelled officials frfom the F.A. Youth Cup this season

R1 Dover Athletic v Langley - Ryan Chantrill-Smith AR2
R2 Bristol Rovers v Leyton Orient - Alexander Begbie-Dilks AR2
R3 A.F.C. Bournemouth v Liverpool - Alex Rush-Fear AR2
R3 Bristol City v Fleetwood Town - Alexander Begbie-Dilks AR1
R3 Crewe Alexandra v Cardiff City - Justice Abaka-Jacobs AR1
R3 Rochdale v Fulham - James Birch-Ford FO
R4 Sunderland v Fulham - Zac Kennard-Kettle FO

Referee called Justice!

If this person ( I am presuming male ) is a lawyer and gets elevated to the High Court Bench then he would be Mr Justice Justice Abaka-Jacobs and he would be able to say, I am so good they named me twice !

Mrs Whistleblower must love your humorous comments on a whole variety of subject matters! :-)
Title: Re: What's in a name ?
Post by: Whistleblower on Tue 28 Feb 2023 17:48
Up and coming double barrelled officials frfom the F.A. Youth Cup this season

R1 Dover Athletic v Langley - Ryan Chantrill-Smith AR2
R2 Bristol Rovers v Leyton Orient - Alexander Begbie-Dilks AR2
R3 A.F.C. Bournemouth v Liverpool - Alex Rush-Fear AR2
R3 Bristol City v Fleetwood Town - Alexander Begbie-Dilks AR1
R3 Crewe Alexandra v Cardiff City - Justice Abaka-Jacobs AR1
R3 Rochdale v Fulham - James Birch-Ford FO
R4 Sunderland v Fulham - Zac Kennard-Kettle FO

Referee called Justice!

If this person ( I am presuming male ) is a lawyer and gets elevated to the High Court Bench then he would be Mr Justice Justice Abaka-Jacobs and he would be able to say, I am so good they named me twice !

Mrs Whistleblower must love your humorous comments on a whole variety of subject matters! :-)

Tolerates perhaps, more than "love"
Title: Re: What's in a name ?
Post by: John Treleven on Tue 28 Feb 2023 18:17
A.F.C. Bournemouth v Liverpool - Alex Rush-Fear
probably should have been Everton  (Fear of Rush)

Rochdale v Fulham - James Birch-Ford
almost Basil Fawlty but I think it was his Austin he gave a damn good thrashing, and no idea if it was a birch
Title: Re: What's in a name ?
Post by: Whistleblower on Tue 28 Feb 2023 18:49
The Bishop of London in the 1950s, himself double barrelled, was Henry Montgomery Campbell who was known for his deadpan and somewhat mordant wit. Once he was interviewing a young curate in his study at Fulham Palace and said " take a chair Clinton " only for the curate to reply " actually my Lord, it's Fiennes-Clinton "  to which the Bishop responded  " well, take two chairs then ".
Title: Re: What's in a name ?
Post by: TVOS on Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:22
Adam Gale-Watts
Title: Re: What's in a name ?
Post by: Bakis on Wed 01 Mar 2023 13:08
The Bishop of London in the 1950s, himself double barrelled, was Henry Montgomery Campbell who was known for his deadpan and somewhat mordant wit. Once he was interviewing a young curate in his study at Fulham Palace and said " take a chair Clinton " only for the curate to reply " actually my Lord, it's Fiennes-Clinton "  to which the Bishop responded  " well, take two chairs then ".

Another example was at his enthronement in St Paul's. When various aged canons tottered up to pay their respects he muttered 'Behold, the See giveth up her dead'.
Title: Re: What's in a name ?
Post by: Whistleblower on Wed 01 Mar 2023 15:48
The Bishop of London in the 1950s, himself double barrelled, was Henry Montgomery Campbell who was known for his deadpan and somewhat mordant wit. Once he was interviewing a young curate in his study at Fulham Palace and said " take a chair Clinton " only for the curate to reply " actually my Lord, it's Fiennes-Clinton "  to which the Bishop responded  " well, take two chairs then ".

Another example was at his enthronement in St Paul's. When various aged canons tottered up to pay their respects he muttered 'Behold, the See giveth up her dead'.

When he arrived at St Paul's, by custom the great West Doors were closed for him to strike them three times with his crozier to gain admittance. Being so enormous the Doors took a long while to open. The Bishop turned to his Chaplain and said " I think we've come to the wrong place "

My favourite Montgomery Campbell story is that he once spoke about two of his predecessors like this " one went out of his mind; the other had no mind to go out of "

Once a friend asked him whether he would come an open a village fete " because you are such a wit " The Bishop declined the invitation and suggested that instead he ask a couple of other bishops do to it together because " they're half wits "
Title: Re: What's in a name ?
Post by: nemesis on Wed 01 Mar 2023 21:27
There are also more double barrelled names now as the numbers of marriages decline
and both parents are effectively named on the birth certificates by the double barrelling

Carl Fitch-Jackson
Paul Lister-Flynn
Tom Reeves-Leck

are current officials
although Tom does not use the latter half
and Paul has only recently added his

The double-barrelling of the first one named above has nothing to do with his parents (not strictly true, it's half to do with his parents!)

(wasn't sure if double barrelling should have a hyphen or not  - it seemed appropriate)
Title: Re: What's in a name ?
Post by: Whistleblower on Wed 01 Mar 2023 21:31
Some people when they marry or contract a civil partnership decide to double up their names to a joint surname.