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General Refereeing => General Discussion => Topic started by: Acme Thunderer on Sun 23 Dec 2018 15:07
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Could I please ask for clarification on when a straight red should be given in addition to a penalty?
At Portsmouth, Peter Bankes gave Pompey a penalty and a straight red to Loovens of Sunderland for a tackle which, although definitely a penalty, could hardly be called reckless or player not in a position to play the ball.
At Bradford City, Carl Boyeson awarded the home side a penalty after the Scunthorpe goalie brought down a Bradford player. Clear penalty but no red card.
Who was right or were they both right and I'm missing something crucial? Any thoughts please from those who saw the incidents on Quest or who have a better knowledge of the current Laws than I have. Thanks.
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If it's a push or shirt pull for a DOGSO I think it should be a straight red.
From memory, the one at Portsmouth could have been deemed to fall within that category.
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The tackle by the Sunderland player was from behind, caught the back leg and the argument would be no attempt to play ball so red card. The goalkeeper was clumsy, missed the ball so no red was acceptable
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A yellow card can only be issued if there was a genuine attempt to play the ball when it's a DOGSO call. A red card must be awarded in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.).
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I was at the Portsmouth v Sunderland game and in a very good position to see the incident. There was no way the defender could have reached the ball, he had more than one nibble. I think the home side would have been incandescent had he not gone red, and I would have sympathised with them.
I did find Mr Bankes somewhere between ok and erratic, it was for League One a pretty big game, 20,000 in with 3,000 away fans so the atmosphere was excellent and that in itself I felt may have been the reason for his lack of consistency. I am not saying the game was too big for him, but Fratton being old school stands with terraces on top of the lines it is one of the noisiest grounds in the country.
He missed a red for a stamp from H3, but what you don't see you can't give and he was preoccupied by A6 (the less than delightful Cattermole) shouting in his face. Ironic.
No idea what level Mr Bankes is but he was ok is about as kind as I can get, if he is an aspiring SG1, I would have concerns.
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I was at the Portsmouth v Sunderland game and in a very good position to see the incident. There was no way the defender could have reached the ball, he had more than one nibble. I think the home side would have been incandescent had he not gone red, and I would have sympathised with them.
I did find Mr Bankes somewhere between ok and erratic, it was for League One a pretty big game, 20,000 in with 3,000 away fans so the atmosphere was excellent and that in itself I felt may have been the reason for his lack of consistency. I am not saying the game was too big for him, but Fratton being old school stands with terraces on top of the lines it is one of the noisiest grounds in the country.
He missed a red for a stamp from H3, but what you don't see you can't give and he was preoccupied by A6 (the less than delightful Cattermole) shouting in his face. Ironic.
No idea what level Mr Bankes is but he was ok is about as kind as I can get, if he is an aspiring SG1, I would have concerns.
He's SG2
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Thanks for the clarification. So both right it seems. :)