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Title: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: WaitAndSee on Thu 22 Sep 2022 10:51
The nominations have to be sent to FIFA and will be considered by the FIFA Referees’ Committee in December, and we will confirm the final list in due course.

Men’s FIFA Referees List
Stuart Attwell
John Brooks
Darren England
Jarred Gillett
Robert Jones
Chris Kavanagh
Andrew Madley
Michael Oliver
Craig Pawson
Anthony Taylor

Men’s FIFA Assistant Referees List
Simon Bennett
Gary Beswick
Lee Betts
Stuart Burt
Dan Cook
Neil Davies
Constantine Hatzidakis
Ian Hussin
Harry Lennard
Adam Nunn

Women’s FIFA Referees List
Abi Byrne
Lisa Benn
Kirsty Dowle
Emily Heaslip
Stacey Pearson
Rebecca Welch

Women’s FIFA Assistant Referees List
Natalie Aspinall
Lucy-Anne Briggs
Emily Carney
Melissa Burgin
Sian Massey-Ellis
Lisa Rashid

FIFA Video Match Officials
Stuart Attwell
Peter Bankes
Lee Betts
David Coote
Darren England
Jarred Gillett
Constantine Hatzidakis
Chris Kavanagh
Andrew Madley
Sian Massey-Ellis
Craig Pawson
​​​​​​​Michael Salisbury

PGMOL is delighted to announce that The FA Referees’ Committee has unanimously approved the nominations for the 2023 FIFA Referees, Assistant Referees and Video Match Officials lists.

The key changes see John Brooks, Jarred Gillet and Rob Jones included on the Men’s Referees List while Emily Heaslip has been included on the Women’s Referees List, with the number of officials operating on field in FIFA competitions from the start of the new year increasing to 16.

Paul Tierney has decided to step down from international football, while Peter Bankes and David Coote will now act solely as FIFA Video Match Officials – part of a 12-strong group of VARs from PGMOL.

Managing Director Mike Riley said: “I’d like to start by congratulating John, Jarred, Rob and Emily on their nominations for inclusion on the 2023 FIFA List – this is testament to them for performances both domestically and internationally, as well as their credentials as ambassadors of the game.

“They will find themselves in very good company on the respective lists and I’m sure the growing number our officials will continue to do us proud on the international stage.”

Mike added: “Paul Tierney has been a part of the Men’s List for four years and I’d like to take this opportunity to congratulate him as well as thank him for delivering the high standards we want to achieve when our officials are selected for fixtures on the international stage.

“Just as importantly, I would like to express my gratitude to Peter and David who have volunteered to step down from the Men’s Referees List in order to create the opportunities for John, Jarred and Rob. This is incredibly selfless of them and typical of the values that make them the great ambassadors for refereeing that they are.”
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: jacksamuel21 on Thu 22 Sep 2022 12:47
I am quite shocked! Tierney being removed really shouldn't be surprising he will never referee games at this stage- too old and not good enough. Coote and Bankes aren't going to be good enough either. Neither should really be used on VAR either as they are both petty useless at it.

Delighted to see Gillett, Jones and Brooks added to the list. Would have liked Hooper. Michael Salisbury seems to do well on VAR.

Would have liked Dan Robathan to replace Constantine Hatzidakis or Harry Lennard on the list.


Going to be strange seeing Tierney without a FIFA badge. Do Bankes and Coote and Salisbury get to have Badges as VAR's?
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: UmpireIan49 on Thu 22 Sep 2022 12:56
Quite a big shake up for our FIFA list referees.

Agree with previous poster that Tierney has had his time and not really proved himself at the top level.

Coote and Bankes are also rightly stepping down as lack of opportunities allied to their performances make their decision a simple one.

Jarred Gillett was always a shoe in so good to see him get a place, John Brooks has had a decent season so far and has age on his side too, but Robert Jones? Too inconsistent for me and has not really cemented his place at the top level. We’ll see whether this elevation can see an improvement in his performances.

Hooper I think is past the age where promotion would be considered, a similar situation I believe for Kevin Friend when he was on the list. However as I mentioned elsewhere, Hooper is one of our better officials and is getting his deserved share of top Premier League matches.

A good list of officials, and a little prediction from me……Jarred Gillett will be a top referee on the continent and on the world stage within 4/5 years.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: bmb on Thu 22 Sep 2022 13:14
Like the shake up but am very disappointed not to see Dan Robathan there
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: jacksamuel21 on Thu 22 Sep 2022 14:17
Like the shake up but am very disappointed not to see Dan Robathan there

Same, he is excellent. Harry Lennard being there I find odd. He never gets used in Europe.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: nemesis on Thu 22 Sep 2022 16:36

“Just as importantly, I would like to express my gratitude to Peter and David who have volunteered to step down from the Men’s Referees List in order to create the opportunities for John, Jarred and Rob. This is incredibly selfless of them and typical of the values that make them the great ambassadors for refereeing that they are.”


Not good enough to referee but put them on VAR where arguably they are even worse. This is so very wrong. Jobs for the boys.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: RCG on Thu 22 Sep 2022 16:38
"Volunteered", really?
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: ajb95 on Thu 22 Sep 2022 16:53
Finally, a shake-up of our top referees and well overdue. Bankes and Coote were never good enough for FIFA and the latter is lucky to be even on the PL List. They only got badges as they were the next ones in line. Hopefully they can show they are good VAR's but the jury is out on that one. As others have said Tierney wasn't going anywhere.

A bit surprised to see Brooks as he has had more VAR appointments since his appointment, but he is young enough. Also agreed by Rob Jones: I haven't seen enough from him yet to say he deserves a place on the list.

Maybe they could have left one place open for a year or two to see if someone comes along, maybe the likes of Bell & Barrott in a couple of years
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Readingfan on Thu 22 Sep 2022 16:58
Ah Coote and Bankes, those selfless ambassadors!

I have always thought of them as being two of the weaker SG1 VARs. But it creates a chance for likes of Gillett and Jones who I think have more potential.

I doubt they were in a rush to remove Tierney from the list as he seems to get good domestic appointments and a steady enough official. But I'm not sure he was likely to go much further on international level so understandable if he chose to focus elsewhere.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Hendo on Thu 22 Sep 2022 17:28
"Volunteered", really?

Took the words out of my mouth, surely a case of jumping ship or being asked to do so before the inevitable. Neither FIFA material and lucky to have even been considered as others have said.
Tierney is only 41 so not sure where he goes from here. I think most of us had him down for the FA Cup Final in the next couple of years, especially being on FIFA. Will probably still happen but his profile is suddenly reduced somewhat. Maybe wants to spend more time hairdressing again? 🤪 Credit to him though, he could have easily gone on foreign trips still as 4th official or VAR as a jolly.
Refreshing to see a shake up of our FIFA refs in this way, stops “dead wood” lingering there indefinitely and blocking the possible promotion of more deserving cases. Pity they don’t seem to consider doing this in SG1 and SG2.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: jacksamuel21 on Thu 22 Sep 2022 18:01
"Volunteered", really?


Tierney is only 41 so not sure where he goes from here. I think most of us had him down for the FA Cup Final in the next couple of years, especially being on FIFA. Will probably still happen but his profile is suddenly reduced somewhat. Maybe wants to spend more time hairdressing again? 🤪 Credit to him though, he could have easily gone on foreign trips still as 4th official or VAR as a jolly.

I am surprised he isn't being used as a FIFA VAR, he is far better than Coote and Bankes.

I think Tierney will do the FA Cup final this season. Other option is Attwell. Kavanagh will likely do the league cup final.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Readingfan on Thu 22 Sep 2022 18:36
"Volunteered", really?


Tierney is only 41 so not sure where he goes from here. I think most of us had him down for the FA Cup Final in the next couple of years, especially being on FIFA. Will probably still happen but his profile is suddenly reduced somewhat. Maybe wants to spend more time hairdressing again? 🤪 Credit to him though, he could have easily gone on foreign trips still as 4th official or VAR as a jolly.

I am surprised he isn't being used as a FIFA VAR, he is far better than Coote and Bankes.

I think Tierney will do the FA Cup final this season. Other option is Attwell. Kavanagh will likely do the league cup final.

I think that it is Tierney's decision to step down from all international duties. It seems unlikely to me that he would have been completely forced out of all roles, and as I say his stock seems high enough that I think it's unlikely he would have been under any pressure to step down although who knows. I guess if faced with the choice of VAR only or coming off the list entirely he might have chosen the latter but like I say given the high profile PL appointments he often gets I don't think it's especially likely he would be forced into that choice.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: dave26 on Thu 22 Sep 2022 18:50
I wonder if Tierney has stepped down from international duties because he realises his domestic ability has declined in the past season or two and he’s solely focusing on getting back to the great form he is capable of
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: rustyref on Thu 22 Sep 2022 19:20
I wonder if Tierney has stepped down from international duties because he realises his domestic ability has declined in the past season or two and he’s solely focusing on getting back to the great form he is capable of

There's any number of reasons.  He might have realised he won't be getting to higher FIFA categories, equally he might have a young family and doesn't want to be away from them midweeks as well as every weekend.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Whistleblower on Thu 22 Sep 2022 20:40
Well this surprises me greatly as it always seemed to be the rule that once a referee attained a certain status they remained at that level until age forced them off it. If this means that there will be more movement and only those who are really producing the goods at the most senior level get retained then I am supportive of such a strategy.

Tierney surprises me the most. He is only 41 with more years at FIFA level. Clearly he wasn't going to get promoted so perhaps he has bowed to pressure to quit. I have never rated Coote, not an international ( or indeed senior domestic ) referee in my book and his departure is no loss. Bankes hardly has had time to establish himself at this level; I put him on a par with A Madley who has retained his badge.

I know the authorities have a lot of faith in Brooks; we shall have to wait and see if that faith is justified. Gillett is an obvious FIFA choice. Jones I think can count himself fortunate to be wearing a FIFA badge; I can't see him getting above Category 2.

I think what this is all about is succession planning and trying to ensure that England has very senior representation after Taylor and then eventually Oliver retire from  FIFA. Whether any on the current FIFA list attain the heights of Taylor and Oliver remains to be seen; the most likely are Gillett and possibly Darren England if he makes rapid progress and possibly Brooks if he fulfils the potential which has been discerned.

Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Gorgeous George on Thu 22 Sep 2022 22:40
A very timely shakeup of the white badges! There were too many elder statesmen (in UEFA terms only I must admit!) operating at Cat 2, and this freshens it up nicely and gives 3 of our younger and brightest potential referees the opportunity to really progress in Europe.

Getting onto the list in your late 30s doesn’t afford enough time to realistically progress to elite, but these 3 all have bags of potential from what I’ve seen. Plus they’re all maximum 35 so have a credible amount of time to progress given the chance. Best of luck to them all!
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Whistleblower on Fri 23 Sep 2022 07:39
I am quite shocked! Tierney being removed really shouldn't be surprising he will never referee games at this stage- too old and not good enough. Coote and Bankes aren't going to be good enough either. Neither should really be used on VAR either as they are both petty useless at it.

Delighted to see Gillett, Jones and Brooks added to the list. Would have liked Hooper. Michael Salisbury seems to do well on VAR.

Would have liked Dan Robathan to replace Constantine Hatzidakis or Harry Lennard on the list.


Going to be strange seeing Tierney without a FIFA badge. Do Bankes and Coote and Salisbury get to have Badges as VAR's?


I think this is a perfect time to follow the example of some other countries and stop the wearing of FIFA badges for domestic football; they should only be worn for appropriate international competitions. The wearing of them domestically smacks too much of a sort of caste system for my liking but then my profession has all sorts of distinctive tokens to signify one's place in the hierarchy.  Special badges and clothes do not necessarily signify better practitioners.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Wollongong Ref on Sun 25 Sep 2022 04:19
Probably Paul, Matt conger has gone back to the USA from NZ but i believe he is still listed as being from NZ. Alireza Faghani while living in Australia and refereeing  in Australia is still on the international panel from Iran and gets games representing Iran. 
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: SmallChild on Sun 25 Sep 2022 20:20
Going to be strange seeing Tierney without a FIFA badge. Do Bankes and Coote and Salisbury get to have Badges as VAR's?

They do get the FIFA Video Match Official badge, but they can only wear those badges when acting as VMOs. Given that PGMOL appointees don't wear match kit as VMOs then they won't really wear them. We may see their general return/debut on FIFA officials if they stick with WC2018 protocol that VARs wear the same match shirt as the referees.

Only badge that can be worn in any role on the refereeing team (R, AR, VMO) is the FIFA Referee badge, otherwise you can only wear the relevant badge (AR, VMO) when officiating in that role i.e. a FIFA badged AR can't wear their badge when refereeing, though with specialist roles it's increasingly rare to see ARs refereeing anyway, perhaps with the exception of Melissa Burgin in the Women's game who is a FIFA and WSL AR, but referees on the Women's Championship.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 26 Sep 2022 09:21
Could UEFA do more to develop English referees at international level outside Oliver/Taylor? Have Pawson/Kavanagh fulfilled their international potential so far and how many appointments have the referees beyond that had on-field as opposed to Fourth Official/VAR?
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Whistleblower on Mon 26 Sep 2022 11:44
Could UEFA do more to develop English referees at international level outside Oliver/Taylor? Have Pawson/Kavanagh fulfilled their international potential so far and how many appointments have the referees beyond that had on-field as opposed to Fourth Official/VAR?


A very good question posed.  I think Pawson has probably reached his potential as an international referee. He is 43 years old now so I don't think is going to go much further. Kavanagh is 37 so has some years in which to advance. When he came onto SG1 some years ago he was believed to have the potential to go right to the very top, UEFA Elite and he still may achieve that but I don't think his progress has been quite as rapid and seamless as was once hoped.

Having said this I wonder how easy it has been for aspiring international referees when England has two such experienced and very well regarded  referees in Taylor and Oliver. They have been the natural picks when English referees have been appointed to major competitions and matches. Some years ago I felt that Joe Worrall was similarly disadvantaged in his international career when England had Courtney ( most deservedly ) and Hackett ( most undeservedly ) as the two senior English international referees. In the latter case I thought it really appalling in that, in every way, Worrall was a far superior referee to Hackett.

Of course there is nothing to say that a country cannot have three or more Elite referees, I believe Italy and Spain have done so, but it doesn't seem to happen for England.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: jacksamuel21 on Mon 26 Sep 2022 12:06
Could UEFA do more to develop English referees at international level outside Oliver/Taylor? Have Pawson/Kavanagh fulfilled their international potential so far and how many appointments have the referees beyond that had on-field as opposed to Fourth Official/VAR?

Pawson has had chances here and there but never really given as many chances as he could have been. Kavanagh is just a mediocre referee. Kavanagh maybe could be pushed more and I think Attwell should be as well.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: jacksamuel21 on Mon 26 Sep 2022 12:09
Could UEFA do more to develop English referees at international level outside Oliver/Taylor? Have Pawson/Kavanagh fulfilled their international potential so far and how many appointments have the referees beyond that had on-field as opposed to Fourth Official/VAR?


A very good question posed.  I think Pawson has probably reached his potential as an international referee. He is 43 years old now so I don't think is going to go much further. Kavanagh is 37 so has some years in which to advance. When he came onto SG1 some years ago he was believed to have the potential to go right to the very top, UEFA Elite and he still may achieve that but I don't think his progress has been quite as rapid and seamless as was once hoped.

Having said this I wonder how easy it has been for aspiring international referees when England has two such experienced and very well regarded  referees in Taylor and Oliver. They have been the natural picks when English referees have been appointed to major competitions and matches. Some years ago I felt that Joe Worrall was similarly disadvantaged in his international career when England had Courtney ( most deservedly ) and Hackett ( most undeservedly ) as the two senior English international referees. In the latter case I thought it really appalling in that, in every way, Worrall was a far superior referee to Hackett.

Of course there is nothing to say that a country cannot have three or more Elite referees, I believe Italy and Spain have done so, but it doesn't seem to happen for England.

Spain have 4 elite refs. Italy 2 I think. Germany has 3, England has 2. France 3. English referees are disadvantaged in the fact that the english teams are some of the strongest and therefore the games available for English referees are limited.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Whistleblower on Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:53
Could UEFA do more to develop English referees at international level outside Oliver/Taylor? Have Pawson/Kavanagh fulfilled their international potential so far and how many appointments have the referees beyond that had on-field as opposed to Fourth Official/VAR?

Pawson has had chances here and there but never really given as many chances as he could have been. Kavanagh is just a mediocre referee. Kavanagh maybe could be pushed more and I think Attwell should be as well.


Gosh, you certainly hold to a counsel of perfection if you describe Kavanagh as " mediocre ". I don't think Attwell could ever be a UEFA Elite referee. He seems to have found his proper level already. I see potential in Darren England and I just don't know enough about John Brooks to make an informed comment about his potential to get to the very top.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: bmb on Mon 26 Sep 2022 22:48
Could UEFA do more to develop English referees at international level outside Oliver/Taylor? Have Pawson/Kavanagh fulfilled their international potential so far and how many appointments have the referees beyond that had on-field as opposed to Fourth Official/VAR?

Pawson has had chances here and there but never really given as many chances as he could have been. Kavanagh is just a mediocre referee. Kavanagh maybe could be pushed more and I think Attwell should be as well.


Gosh, you certainly hold to a counsel of perfection if you describe Kavanagh as " mediocre ". I don't think Attwell could ever be a UEFA Elite referee. He seems to have found his proper level already. I see potential in Darren England and I just don't know enough about John Brooks to make an informed comment about his potential to get to the very top.

I think Chris Kavanagh must have stolen JackSamuel21's lunch money, constant negativity
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: jacksamuel21 on Mon 26 Sep 2022 23:05
Could UEFA do more to develop English referees at international level outside Oliver/Taylor? Have Pawson/Kavanagh fulfilled their international potential so far and how many appointments have the referees beyond that had on-field as opposed to Fourth Official/VAR?

Pawson has had chances here and there but never really given as many chances as he could have been. Kavanagh is just a mediocre referee. Kavanagh maybe could be pushed more and I think Attwell should be as well.


Gosh, you certainly hold to a counsel of perfection if you describe Kavanagh as " mediocre ". I don't think Attwell could ever be a UEFA Elite referee. He seems to have found his proper level already. I see potential in Darren England and I just don't know enough about John Brooks to make an informed comment about his potential to get to the very top.

I think Chris Kavanagh must have stolen JackSamuel21's lunch money, constant negativity

By mediocre I mean in terms of referees at the top level. Not going to make it to the elite for me. But is far better than a lot. Mediocre is probably slightly harsh way of describing it.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Whistleblower on Mon 26 Sep 2022 23:33
Could UEFA do more to develop English referees at international level outside Oliver/Taylor? Have Pawson/Kavanagh fulfilled their international potential so far and how many appointments have the referees beyond that had on-field as opposed to Fourth Official/VAR?

Pawson has had chances here and there but never really given as many chances as he could have been. Kavanagh is just a mediocre referee. Kavanagh maybe could be pushed more and I think Attwell should be as well.


Gosh, you certainly hold to a counsel of perfection if you describe Kavanagh as " mediocre ". I don't think Attwell could ever be a UEFA Elite referee. He seems to have found his proper level already. I see potential in Darren England and I just don't know enough about John Brooks to make an informed comment about his potential to get to the very top.

I think Chris Kavanagh must have stolen JackSamuel21's lunch money, constant negativity

By mediocre I mean in terms of referees at the top level. Not going to make it to the elite for me. But is far better than a lot. Mediocre is probably slightly harsh way of describing it.


To borrow a golfing term perhaps 'Par' might be a more generous way of describing someone whom one considers to be solidly in the middle ranking of a present cohort.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: flipmode on Tue 27 Sep 2022 10:59
Very pleased to see Jarred Gillett in that list!
Title: fifa refs 2022
Post by: referee12 on Sun 16 Oct 2022 19:28
am I right that we have got 3 new refs added which will result in some being removed most notably Tierney anybody else?
Englands 1 of them plus brooks and 1 other hopefully they get a Uefa match asap
Title: Re: fifa refs 2022
Post by: jacksamuel21 on Sun 16 Oct 2022 19:59
am I right that we have got 3 new refs added which will result in some being removed most notably Tierney anybody else?
Englands 1 of them plus brooks and 1 other hopefully they get a Uefa match asap

England has been fifa for a year or two. Brooks, Jones and Gillett are new
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Readingfan on Sun 16 Oct 2022 20:24
I think Brooks, Gillett and Jones are replacing Tierney, Coote and Bankes, although Coote/Bankes will remain on the FIFA VAR list. Salsbury is also added to FIFA VAR list.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 08 Nov 2022 17:42
I think Brooks, Gillett and Jones are replacing Tierney, Coote and Bankes, although Coote/Bankes will remain on the FIFA VAR list. Salsbury is also added to FIFA VAR list.

Do they lose their FIFA cages even though they are VAR specifically in Europe?
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: RCG on Tue 08 Nov 2022 18:09
Cages? Think you meant badges 😉

As far as I understand badges are worn on field when they are given as Ref or AR.

A FIFA futsal ref cannot where their badge in an 11 a side competition, for example
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Readingfan on Tue 08 Nov 2022 21:04
Yes, I think I heard that somewhere. I think the badges relate to the role you are doing so they could wear FIFA badges potentially when working as VARs but obviously none of us would know.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 08 Nov 2022 21:13
Cages? Think you meant badges 😉

As far as I understand badges are worn on field when they are given as Ref or AR.

A FIFA futsal ref cannot where their badge in an 11 a side competition, for example

😂😂😂😂.

Oops!
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: ACTref on Tue 08 Nov 2022 21:59
Yes, I think I heard that somewhere. I think the badges relate to the role you are doing so they could wear FIFA badges potentially when working as VARs but obviously none of us would know.

FIFA VAR's or 'Video Match Officials' as they are referred to by the powers that be are given a separate FIFA badge which lists 'Video Match Official' which is to be worn for VAR appointments. This is mostly just for FIFA tournaments where the VARs wear the same referee kit as the referees on field, for competitions where the VARs just wear polo shirts, the badge is not worn.

While you can only wear your badge in the discipline you have been awarded it (i.e. ARs on the Line, Referees in the middle, VMOs in whatever shed they get stuck in...), should a referee go down injured with a FIFA AR as 4th official, or vice versa, the FIFA badge can still be worn.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Gabriel Thornton on Thu 22 Dec 2022 19:13
I am very pleased that Jarred Gillett made the list, and slightly for John Brooks. CANNOT understand why Rob Jones is on the list as he is awful. Surprised that Bankes, Coote and Tierney all stood down not being very old, but glad anyway as Bankes and Coote are useless. Would have picked Michael Salisbury over Jones for sure. Also, surely Massey-Ellis and Aspinall (Women's AR's) should be listed as men's as well as they both wear their FIFA badges during men's PL matches, whereas as Rebecca Welch and Lisa Rashid do not, in their men's matches in the EFL. Also, all those saying Hooper deserves to be on the list (Removed-no need for aggressive remark towards other users)  He's awful!! Also, not sure yet as haven't seen them but I hope Darren England has been promoted in the UEFA lists to Elite or First (I believe he was Second previously?).
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: RCG on Thu 22 Dec 2022 19:57
And a very Merry Christmas to you too from our FIFA referees 😍

Apparantly they think ur great
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: PhiltheRef on Thu 22 Dec 2022 21:13
When I first saw him on National League appointment 2A, I believe, I was quite scathing about Rob Jones.

I am now significantly less so, pleased that he has earned his FIFA badge and have a sneaky feeling that he will surprise some correspondents on here by becoming a well established FIFA Official
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: charlieboy on Thu 22 Dec 2022 21:59
I am very pleased that Jarred Gillett made the list, and slightly for John Brooks. CANNOT understand why Rob Jones is on the list as he is awful. Surprised that Bankes, Coote and Tierney all stood down not being very old, but glad anyway as Bankes and Coote are useless. Would have picked Michael Salisbury over Jones for sure. Also, surely Massey-Ellis and Aspinall (Women's AR's) should be listed as men's as well as they both wear their FIFA badges during men's PL matches, whereas as Rebecca Welch and Lisa Rashid do not, in their men's matches in the EFL. Also, all those saying Hooper deserves to be on the list (Removed-no need for aggressive remark towards other users)  He's awful!! Also, not sure yet as haven't seen them but I hope Darren England has been promoted in the UEFA lists to Elite or First (I believe he was Second previously?).
the manner and tone of your post real isn’t what we have on here , if you are going to say an official is awful I suggest you do so constructively and with explanation, this is rate the ref not slate the ref! Also your tone towards other posters is totally unacceptable, may I suggest you take a look at our rules and try again.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Gabriel Thornton on Fri 23 Dec 2022 09:33
I am very pleased that Jarred Gillett made the list, and slightly for John Brooks. CANNOT understand why Rob Jones is on the list as he is awful. Surprised that Bankes, Coote and Tierney all stood down not being very old, but glad anyway as Bankes and Coote are useless. Would have picked Michael Salisbury over Jones for sure. Also, surely Massey-Ellis and Aspinall (Women's AR's) should be listed as men's as well as they both wear their FIFA badges during men's PL matches, whereas as Rebecca Welch and Lisa Rashid do not, in their men's matches in the EFL. Also, all those saying Hooper deserves to be on the list (Removed-no need for aggressive remark towards other users)  He's awful!! Also, not sure yet as haven't seen them but I hope Darren England has been promoted in the UEFA lists to Elite or First (I believe he was Second previously?).
the manner and tone of your post real isn’t what we have on here , if you are going to say an official is awful I suggest you do so constructively and with explanation, this is rate the ref not slate the ref! Also your tone towards other posters is totally unacceptable, may I suggest you take a look at our rules and try again.
To all those to whom I caused offence, I am sorry about the wording of my post and will think about that next time. However, what I said was only meant in jest and I have never met anyone who has not understood that before so maybe what I said was right. Also, the remark about Simon Hooper. He is clearly not awful as he is on Select Group 1, compared to myself who is a newly qualified Level Y referee. However, I sometimes think he causes unnecessary stoppages in the games instead of playing advantage.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: nemesis on Fri 23 Dec 2022 14:40
I am very pleased that Jarred Gillett made the list, and slightly for John Brooks. CANNOT understand why Rob Jones is on the list as he is awful. Surprised that Bankes, Coote and Tierney all stood down not being very old, but glad anyway as Bankes and Coote are useless. Would have picked Michael Salisbury over Jones for sure. Also, surely Massey-Ellis and Aspinall (Women's AR's) should be listed as men's as well as they both wear their FIFA badges during men's PL matches, whereas as Rebecca Welch and Lisa Rashid do not, in their men's matches in the EFL. Also, all those saying Hooper deserves to be on the list (Removed-no need for aggressive remark towards other users)  He's awful!! Also, not sure yet as haven't seen them but I hope Darren England has been promoted in the UEFA lists to Elite or First (I believe he was Second previously?).

Not very angelic, Gabriel.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Whistleblower on Fri 23 Dec 2022 16:46
I am very pleased that Jarred Gillett made the list, and slightly for John Brooks. CANNOT understand why Rob Jones is on the list as he is awful. Surprised that Bankes, Coote and Tierney all stood down not being very old, but glad anyway as Bankes and Coote are useless. Would have picked Michael Salisbury over Jones for sure. Also, surely Massey-Ellis and Aspinall (Women's AR's) should be listed as men's as well as they both wear their FIFA badges during men's PL matches, whereas as Rebecca Welch and Lisa Rashid do not, in their men's matches in the EFL. Also, all those saying Hooper deserves to be on the list (Removed-no need for aggressive remark towards other users)  He's awful!! Also, not sure yet as haven't seen them but I hope Darren England has been promoted in the UEFA lists to Elite or First (I believe he was Second previously?).

Not very angelic, Gabriel.


Perhaps no "wings as drifted snow" but quite possibly "eyes as flame"

Happy Christmas to all the RTR community and every good wish for health, peace and contentment in 2023
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Gabriel Thornton on Sat 24 Dec 2022 15:10
I am very pleased that Jarred Gillett made the list, and slightly for John Brooks. CANNOT understand why Rob Jones is on the list as he is awful. Surprised that Bankes, Coote and Tierney all stood down not being very old, but glad anyway as Bankes and Coote are useless. Would have picked Michael Salisbury over Jones for sure. Also, surely Massey-Ellis and Aspinall (Women's AR's) should be listed as men's as well as they both wear their FIFA badges during men's PL matches, whereas as Rebecca Welch and Lisa Rashid do not, in their men's matches in the EFL. Also, all those saying Hooper deserves to be on the list (Removed-no need for aggressive remark towards other users)  He's awful!! Also, not sure yet as haven't seen them but I hope Darren England has been promoted in the UEFA lists to Elite or First (I believe he was Second previously?).

Not very angelic, Gabriel.
Yes, you see, I would laugh if I was named after the angel but despite having a religious family, I'm not. So maybe the context was needed before saying that, also because some people would take offence to that comment.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sat 24 Dec 2022 16:16
I am very pleased that Jarred Gillett made the list, and slightly for John Brooks. CANNOT understand why Rob Jones is on the list as he is awful. Surprised that Bankes, Coote and Tierney all stood down not being very old, but glad anyway as Bankes and Coote are useless. Would have picked Michael Salisbury over Jones for sure. Also, surely Massey-Ellis and Aspinall (Women's AR's) should be listed as men's as well as they both wear their FIFA badges during men's PL matches, whereas as Rebecca Welch and Lisa Rashid do not, in their men's matches in the EFL. Also, all those saying Hooper deserves to be on the list (Removed-no need for aggressive remark towards other users)  He's awful!! Also, not sure yet as haven't seen them but I hope Darren England has been promoted in the UEFA lists to Elite or First (I believe he was Second previously?).

Not very angelic, Gabriel.


Perhaps no "wings as drifted snow" but quite possibly "eyes as flame"

Happy Christmas to all the RTR community and every good wish for health, peace and contentment in 2023

Festive greetings and salutations to yourself and of course the true star of the World Cup… Mrs Whistleblower!
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: guest42 on Mon 26 Dec 2022 16:49
Norway released their list a couple of weeks ago - marking the retirement from the FIFA list of Svein Oddvar Moen.

Referees
1   Espen Eskås
2   Rohit Saggi
3   Kristoffer Hagenes
4   Kai Erik Steen
5   Sigurd Smehus Kringstad
6   Sivert Øksnes Amland
7   Mohammad Usman Aslam

Assistant Referees
1   Jan Erik Engan
2   Isaak Elias Bashevkin
3   Geir Oskar Isaksen
4   Morten Jensen
5   Øystein Ytterland
6   Anders Olav Dale
7   Tom Harald Grønevik
8   Runar Langseth
9   Ole Andreas Skogsrud Haukåsen
10   Jørgen Rønning Valstadsve

FIFA Women Referees
Henrikke Nervik
Emilie Rodahl Torkelsen
Sarah Fatemeh Zangeneh

Assistant Referees
Monica Brun Løkkeberg
Silje Elisabeth Thoresen
Line Cathrine Nymoen
Sonia Rekdal Khan-Sunde

FIFA Futsal Referees
Telmen Undrakh
Dag Erik Tangvik
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: JCFC on Fri 30 Dec 2022 00:18
Do we know who will fill the place vacated by Bobby Madden? A year ago Craig Napier seemed to be next in line, but recently David Dickinson seems to be coming up on the rails.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: greeny on Fri 30 Dec 2022 05:25
Saw an article the other day saying David Dickinson was Madden's replacement.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: guest42 on Fri 30 Dec 2022 06:43
Saw an article the other day saying David Dickinson was Madden's replacement.

That's a Bobby Dazzler that
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Mackem ref on Sun 01 Jan 2023 15:39
I’m always slightly bemused that the list is decided a good few weeks ahead of the new year yet they never seem to be able to get the fifa badges delivered on time!!!
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: bmb on Sun 01 Jan 2023 16:16
No confirmation anywhere from the MLSZ if there have been changes to our list.  I assume there will be at least 1 as Török Katalin has announced her retirement so we have lost one of our long time female FIFA ARs. Katalin Kulcsár has disappeared off the face of the earth - since May 2021 she has only done a handful of VAR appointments.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Readingfan on Sun 01 Jan 2023 18:59
On the subject of FIFA referees from Scotland, is there any referee who has a realistic chance of making say the 2024 Euros or 2026 WC? It seems to have been a while since any Scottish referee has really got to that level or done regular knockout stage CL games and so on.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: bmb on Sun 01 Jan 2023 20:51
On the subject of FIFA referees from Scotland, is there any referee who has a realistic chance of making say the 2024 Euros or 2026 WC? It seems to have been a while since any Scottish referee has really got to that level or done regular knockout stage CL games and so on.

Personally I rate Nick Walsh. Only seen him half a dozen times or so but he was superb in Hungary last season. He looks about 12 and seems to be the rising star.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: jad on Mon 02 Jan 2023 14:10
There is one change on the Italian list of men's referees: Simone Sozza replaces Massimiliano Irrati, who continues, however, as a VMO and who will thus be able to devote all his energies to cementing his position as the best VAR in the world.  This means that Daniele Orsato has been nominated for a further year.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Scottish Ref on Mon 02 Jan 2023 15:09
On the subject of FIFA referees from Scotland, is there any referee who has a realistic chance of making say the 2024 Euros or 2026 WC? It seems to have been a while since any Scottish referee has really got to that level or done regular knockout stage CL games and so on.


Willie Collum refereeed at Euro 2016 and Craig Thomson at Euro 2012.  We’ve not had a World Cup referee since Hugh Dallas in 2002. 

Collum had been fairly regular in the CL and handled a QF in 2018 and also a Europa SF in the same year but since then has had a bit of a decline in appointments.  This was partly because of the lack of VAR in Scotland and for a while UEFA weren’t giving CL games to anyone without VAR in their domestic leagues but also a bit of a dip in form from Willie and also some high profile errors.  However Collum does remain an UEFA Elite for the moment.


Nick Walsh has been making excellent progress and has probably passed Collum as the top referee in Scotland but remains in the UEFA first category, it is very unlikely he will be at either Euro 2024 or WC 26.  He’s only 32 at the moment so potentially could make Euro 2028 and WC 2030 if he keeps progressing the way that he has been.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: guest42 on Mon 02 Jan 2023 19:05
There is one change on the Italian list of men's referees: Simone Sozza replaces Massimiliano Irrati, who continues, however, as a VMO and who will thus be able to devote all his energies to cementing his position as the best VAR in the world.  This means that Daniele Orsato has been nominated for a further year.

If Irratti is the “best VAR in the world” - then the bar is set extremely low…
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Hendo on Tue 03 Jan 2023 07:20
Saw an article the other day saying David Dickinson was Madden's replacement.

Have seen on another site that his date of birth us given as 1st Jan 1980 which would make him 43. Sure this must be a mistake

Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: jad on Tue 03 Jan 2023 13:52
There is one change on the Italian list of men's referees: Simone Sozza replaces Massimiliano Irrati, who continues, however, as a VMO and who will thus be able to devote all his energies to cementing his position as the best VAR in the world.  This means that Daniele Orsato has been nominated for a further year.

If Irratti is the “best VAR in the world” - then the bar is set extremely low…

In an interview with Irrati published in an Italian newspaper a few weeks ago the interviewer did indeed describe him in those terms, an accolade that the interviewee graciously condescended to accept.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Scottish Ref on Tue 03 Jan 2023 15:03
Saw an article the other day saying David Dickinson was Madden's replacement.

Have seen on another site that his date of birth us given as 1st Jan 1980 which would make him 43. Sure this must be a mistake



That’s definitely incorrect he’s 34/35
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: WelshReferee on Tue 03 Jan 2023 15:26
Wales have released their list for 2023:

FIFA Men’s Referees
Iwan Arwel Griffith (Cat 2)
Robert Jenkins (Cat 2)
Thomas Owen (Cat 2)
 
FIFA Men’s Assistant Referees
Daniel Beckett
Ian Bird
John Bryant
Lewiss Edwards
Harry Hendricks* New addition for 2023 - replaces Gareth Jones
Martin Roberts

FIFA Women’s Referees
Cheryl Foster (Elite)

FIFA Women’s Assistant Referees
Laura Roberts
Ceri Williams

Futsal Referees
Valentin Ciuplea
Carl Hughes

No VAR Officials due to no current Domestic VAR use.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: bmb on Tue 03 Jan 2023 16:27
Still a state secret in Hungary - there again the Federation haven't updated who is on the referee committee 20 months after Puhl Sándor's passing!
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Readingfan on Tue 03 Jan 2023 17:05
Who would be the last Welsh referee who achieved notable international success/ Or indeed Irish for that matter? I'd never really considered that until the above post.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: RCG on Tue 03 Jan 2023 18:21
Cheryl Foster for Wales, before her probably as far back as Clive the Book, not sure any of the others went to a WC or a Euro (as there were a lot less teams)

GPoll had an Irish AR at Euro?
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 03 Jan 2023 19:16
Who would be the last Welsh referee who achieved notable international success/ Or indeed Irish for that matter? I'd never really considered that until the above post.

Rodger Gifford at a guess?
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: PDMat Shav on Tue 03 Jan 2023 19:35
Pleased for Rob Jones  he has had some unfair comments  at times but seems to have improved, now Mike Jones has disappeared from the scene he seems to be getting better appointments. Having seen Rob progress through the ranks i believe he will prove a lot of people wrong and will do well as a FIFA Official Lets hope Gabriel does well and we see her on the women's FIFA list in years to come.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Whistleblower on Tue 03 Jan 2023 21:24
Who would be the last Welsh referee who achieved notable international success/ Or indeed Irish for that matter? I'd never really considered that until the above post.

Rodger Gifford at a guess?

Keith Cooper was highly respected domestically and I'm sure was FIFA. How much international recognition he received is, however, something I don't know.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: ryan80 on Tue 03 Jan 2023 21:34
Who would be the last Welsh referee who achieved notable international success/ Or indeed Irish for that matter? I'd never really considered that until the above post.

Rodger Gifford at a guess?

Keith Cooper was highly respected domestically and I'm sure was FIFA. How much international recognition he received is, however, something I don't know.

Keith Burge also had a good international career, a regular in the champions league, UEFA cup etc. in terms of Ireland Leslie Irvine was a regular, although he was Northern Irish, as was Alan Snoddy.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: guest42 on Wed 04 Jan 2023 07:35
Who would be the last Welsh referee who achieved notable international success/ Or indeed Irish for that matter? I'd never really considered that until the above post.

Damien McGraith (Republic of Ireland) went to Euro 2016 as one of Willie Collum's ARs

Eddie Foley of Cork was at Euro 2000

Alan Snoddy was the last Northern Irish referee at a major tournament:

At the 1986 World Cup Snoddy was appointed to referee the game between Morocco and Portugal in Guadalajara which ended 3–1 to Morocco. In the 1990 World Cup Snoddy refereed the game between Colombia and West Germany which ended 1–1 at the San Siro in Milan.

The one glaring omission to major tournaments was Alan Kelly - one of the best referees to come out of the Republic of Ireland - his move to the USA put paid to being selected for tournaments after 2013. The only FIFA tournament he went to was as Video Assistant Referee for the 2019 FIFA U-20 World Cup in Poland - so no on-field games.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: WelshReferee on Wed 04 Jan 2023 11:22
I would suggest Simon Lee Evans - was a Cat 1 (in the old system with 4 Categories). He is the current Referees Manager. I believe he held an AR Badge as well as acting on the U17 Euros Final at a point.

Then of course Ceri Richards & Roger Gifford.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: bmb on Wed 04 Jan 2023 18:27
https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/357d1bbadb3ef112/original/2023-FIFA-Refereeing-International-Lists.pdf

Full list released by FIFA tday.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: bmb on Wed 04 Jan 2023 18:31
Only change in Hungary is the addition of Bizderi Nikolett replacing Török Katalin. No idea on categories yet
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: bmb on Wed 04 Jan 2023 18:32
Do we know who will fill the place vacated by Bobby Madden? A year ago Craig Napier seemed to be next in line, but recently David Dickinson seems to be coming up on the rails.

David Dickinson confirmed
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: greeny on Wed 04 Jan 2023 18:57
I was going to ask about if Gillett would be England or Australia listed (given Faghani is still Iran listed despite being Australian based) - but I guess because he's refereeing in a different confederation, he has to be England listed.

I imagine there are only a very small number on the entire FIFA list who represent a country different to their nationality.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: rustyref on Wed 04 Jan 2023 19:05
I was going to ask about if Gillett would be England or Australia listed (given Faghani is still Iran listed despite being Australian based) - but I guess because he's refereeing in a different confederation, he has to be England listed.

I imagine there are only a very small number on the entire FIFA list who represent a country different to their nationality.

Faghani has now transferred to Australia for FIFA.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: Wollongong Ref on Wed 04 Jan 2023 23:44
Gillett has now committed, what in Australia is almost treason, Jarred now represents England.
Alireza now represents Australia. Will be interesting at the next WC with him and Beath will AFC allow them both to be picked.
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: jad on Thu 05 Jan 2023 14:08
I can't remember where I came across this information, but I believe that Mr Gillett was born in Liverpool, in which case he would be doing no more than returning home.  Arturo Yamasaki represented Peru at the World Cup tournaments of 1962 and 1966, but Mexico at that of 1970 (by which time he had acquired Mexican citizenship).

Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: jacksamuel21 on Thu 05 Jan 2023 14:20
I can't remember where I came across this information, but I believe that Mr Gillett was born in Liverpool, in which case he would be doing no more than returning home. 


Would explain why he has never been involved in a liverpool game, nor an everton game
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: bmb on Thu 05 Jan 2023 14:23
I can't remember where I came across this information, but I believe that Mr Gillett was born in Liverpool, in which case he would be doing no more than returning home.  Arturo Yamasaki represented Peru at the World Cup tournaments of 1962 and 1966, but Mexico at that of 1970 (by which time he had acquired Mexican citizenship).



Wikipedia says he was born on the Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: tef on Thu 05 Jan 2023 14:31
I can't remember where I came across this information, but I believe that Mr Gillett was born in Liverpool, in which case he would be doing no more than returning home. 


Would explain why he has never been involved in a liverpool game, nor an everton game

Gillett supports Liverpool so is ineligible for Liverpool and Everton games
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/why-gilletts-anfield-adventure-will-be-his-last/18vxvfb0ae1gy1h9g3xn2kb2x6

Title: Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
Post by: edy on Sat 07 Jan 2023 07:47
https://time.news/football-antony-gautier-is-the-new-boss-of-french-arbitration/

Anthony Gautier is the new boss of French refereeing.

Stephanie Frappart is appointed in charge of Women's refereeing.

Probably she will be forced to retire unless UEFA is more flexible.....