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General Refereeing => General Discussion => Topic started by: TheThingFromLewes on Sat 15 Dec 2018 20:44
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Haven't seen any match footage but Colin has had a big rant on the BBC website suggesting Madley and I quote is a "Sunday trainee referee" following a decision not to book Deeney for a challenge.
Pretty strong words from the Cardiff boss.
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Just Colin being Colin by the sound of it hope Madley has a good game
I Would love to see Colin in the dugout with Kettle refereeing
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Haven't seen any match footage but Colin has had a big rant on the BBC website suggesting Madley and I quote is a "Sunday trainee referee" following a decision not to book Deeney for a challenge.
Pretty strong words from the Cardiff boss.
Neal will likely be shot down on here, probably charged and fined by the FA but I think he gets a tough deal , he’s one of the few managers who actually understand the LOAF he rants but it’s usually because he doesn’t tolerate incompetence, he has at least taken , passed a referees course and refereed matches in Cornwall . His complaints are always reported his praising of officials which happens often is usually ignored . Didn’t see the game so don’t know if he has a point or not but I bet he has .
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Haven't seen any match footage but Colin has had a big rant on the BBC website suggesting Madley and I quote is a "Sunday trainee referee" following a decision not to book Deeney for a challenge.
Pretty strong words from the Cardiff boss.
Neal will likely be shot down on here, probably charged and fined by the FA but I think he gets a tough deal , he’s one of the few managers who actually understand the LOAF he rants but it’s usually because he doesn’t tolerate incompetence, he has at least taken , passed a referees course and refereed matches in Cornwall . His complaints are always reported his praising of officials which happens often is usually ignored . Didn’t see the game so don’t know if he has a point or not but I bet he has .
I would actually agree with you to an extent, I agree that he often does have grounds for complaint and would agree that he does probably have a better knowledge of the laws than most. That said however I think if he has refereed matches himself than he should perhaps have a little more empathy and understanding than he sometimes shows in addition to that I do think his constant haranguing is unprofessional and immature as well as sometimes nasty like when he encouraged his players not to shake Pawson's hand after a match a few years ago (happened more than once I believe) that to me is totally unacceptable.
I haven't seen today's incident and I agree Nick that he may well have a point but to describe Madley as a trainee referee while not particularly offensive is juvenile and serves no real purpose other than to demonstrate his somewhat spiteful manner.
Having said all of that - I did meet him once briefly a number of years ago away from a football setting and found him to be an absolute gentleman.
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He hasn't passed a laws of the game exam, he passed the mandatory laws test that you have to do as part of the FA coaching courses. There is a big difference …
This is one of the biggest running myths in football that Warnock is a qualified referee. Even if he had at one point been a qualified referee before his coaching career took off, that would have been almost 40 years ago so hardly relevant now given that your qualification lapses after a couple of years.
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He hasn't passed a laws of the game exam, he passed the mandatory laws test that you have to do as part of the FA coaching courses. There is a big difference …
This is one of the biggest running myths in football that Warnock is a qualified referee. Even if he had at one point been a qualified referee before his coaching career took off, that would have been almost 40 years ago so hardly relevant now given that your qualification lapses after a couple of years.
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Mr warnock lived for some time just 15 miles from myself he not only took a referees course and passed he registered as a level 7 referee and refereed matches albeit only a few . No myth . Unfortunately your entire post is factually incorrect
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When was that, as I've seen comments by Warnock himself in the past that he wasn't ever actually a referee?
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I’m not great with time lines lol but I’d guess around ten to twenty years ago ? He lived near callington might well still own that house , refereed in the. Local area . Will concede it’s not recent and he probably has lapsed now , my point is a lot of managers rants are from a position of ignorance he does however have good knowledge of the laws .
All that said I agree with Dublin , his choice of language can often be described as childish.
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Warnock obviously doesn't approve of succession planning! Then again, I suppose it's quite possible Cardiff won't be in the Premier League next season even if Andy Madley is...
I don't think Warnock's comments were especially helpful. The use of A Madley on the Premier League is well overdue and every official has to start somewhere. As has been discussed, the same old people can't keep going on forever.
The incident seemed much ado about nothing really - maybe it should have been a yellow card but Madley's hardly the first to fail to give one of those.
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I entirely agree with Readingfan who sums it up perfectly. Warnock grinding out the hoarse and battered old tune of " poor little Cardiff", honestly it's pathetic and rather unworthy of an intelligent man which I believe him to be. The "poor little Cardiff" line might have some traction if they are playing Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal but Watford ? a smaller club than Cardiff and therefore a perfect match to give to a newbie PL referee. Warnock moaning that Marriner was 4th rather than referee. How does he expect referees to get to the level of Marriner if they don't begin somewhere in the PL or would he suggest throwing them straigh tin to a Manchester or North London derby? Anyone but Cardiff I suppose. Such blinkered and very flawed reasoning. Also his comments about Andy Madley being a "Sunday morning trainee referee" are disgraceful and he should be warned as to his future remarks.
As to the tackle. Certainly not a red card maybe a yellow.
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He hasn't passed a laws of the game exam, he passed the mandatory laws test that you have to do as part of the FA coaching courses. There is a big difference …
This is one of the biggest running myths in football that Warnock is a qualified referee. Even if he had at one point been a qualified referee before his coaching career took off, that would have been almost 40 years ago so hardly relevant now given that your qualification lapses after a couple of years.
I am sure that on this (rare) occasion you are completely wrong. I clearly recall some TV coverage of him in his refereeing kit actually turning out to referee a local parks game.
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Colin should be relieved it wasn’t Andy’s brother in charge. As for the challenge I thought it deserved a yellow card so he does have a point.
He chooses to insult an official by calling him “Sunday League” or whatever which is somewhat ironic given his style of “football” and his constant abuse of Referees is what would be expected on the touch lines of the parks on a Sunday.
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My interpretation of Warnock's comments is that he was suggesting that Deeney should have been booked not sent off. On this basis, if this is the biggest complaint he could find - a possible missed YC - then I think Mr Madley must have a decent game.
Of course, this wasn't even his first PL match - he took charge of Watford v Bournemouth towards the end of last season.
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My interpretation of Warnock's comments is that he was suggesting that Deeney should have been booked not sent off. On this basis, if this is the biggest complaint he could find - a possible missed YC - then I think Mr Madley must have a decent game.
Of course, this wasn't even his first PL match - he took charge of Watford v Bournemouth towards the end of last season.
Indeed.
I thought that Martin Atkinson should have cautioned Firmino in the Liverpool V Man Utd game yesterday but I'm sure Warnock wouldn't suggest that he was Sunday morning level.
Perhaps Madley is actually fitting in well ;)
Actually, Warnock's main complaint seemed to be that Andre Marriner had been appointed as Fourth Official. I saw him say in one interview that he'd have been happier if they'd had another inexperienced official as Fourth Official which seems a bizarre perspective to take as it seems eminently sensible to appoint someone of Marriner's experience to help mentor a younger, promising official and to hopefully keep the likes of Warnock in check.
I hope that Warnock is charged.
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This from Tony Cascarino in today's Times:
I spoke to Neil Warnock on the radio last season and he was so proud and passionate in his love for the Sky Bet Championship, the grittiness, the graft, and in a way, it is almost like he does not like the Premier League. Cardiff City played in one of the weekend's best games, with some great goals scored as they lost 3-2 away to Watford. It was a shame that he did not reflect that in his post-match comments. It was unfair for him to pick out the referee, Andrew Madley, and call him a "trainee" - if you feel that, then speak to the referees' association. Everyone has to work their way up the ladder and Madley did not get much wrong. The kind of challenges Warnock was saying he missed were the kind of full-bloodied tackles you get in the Championship.
I'll say Amen to that Tony. I think back to Warnock at the Palace when he referred to Clive Penton as 'too old' to be refereeing in the Championship, and a few weeks later, he spoke of a referee as 'too young' to be in charge of a key FA Cup game. That referee was.... Michael Oliver. I don't care whether Neil has passed his exams and refereed in the past or not, the sort of comments about Andrew Madley and others are not justified or needed.
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I thought that Martin Atkinson should have cautioned Firmino in the Liverpool V Man Utd game yesterday but I'm sure Warnock wouldn't suggest that he was Sunday morning level.
Yes, that was a strange one - seemed to tick all the boxes of a standard YC, even more so as he had already booked Dalot and didn't give him the 'first tackle' exemption. Certainly not a KMI but just strange. However, thought Atkinson was excellent overall.
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I am sure that on this (rare) occasion you are completely wrong. I clearly recall some TV coverage of him in his refereeing kit actually turning out to referee a local parks game.
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I stand corrected then, I was sure I had seen Warnock himself say that he was never a proper referee but I can't find it.
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For what it's worth I felt the challenge by Deeney was probably worth a YC but he slid a long way and it wasn't easy to tell whether he could have stopped sooner.
Delighted to see Andy Madley in the PL.
On a general note, I was surprised so few comments about PL games when catching up after we were away for 2 weeks. For example, Chelsea v Man City was a top match and I would have expected some discussion. Just wondering therefore:-
Have there just been less contentious incidents in the PL recently or have referees been performing to a high standard that controversy has been avoided?
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Neil Warnock has been asked by the FA to explain his post-match comments on Andrew Madley (BBC Football News)
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Neil Warnock has been asked by the FA to explain his post-match comments on Andrew Madley (BBC Football News)
I've lost count how many times Colin has been asked to explain his remarks after games.
The FA need to deal with him aggressively, however I'm sure they'll give him a slap on the wrist and move on.
Hardly a strong way of tackling this kind of behaviour, even though it's the usual suspects like Colin who always seem to be one of the main protagonists.
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NW for MU (like for like)? ;D
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NW for MU (like for like)? ;D
Not sure if Mourinho’s name will rearrange into something similar to Colin ******!!
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I really do dislike the media’s reporting of these Premier League matches for SG2 referees. Constantly calling them a “rookie ref” makes it sound as though they have never taken charge of a match anywhere previously.
Another reason that hate the post 1992 footballl era.