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Title: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: flipmode on Fri 17 Aug 2018 00:59
I was not expecting this. Whilst he was never my favourite on the list, I hope that the "personal circumstances" are not serious and do wish him well in whatever he chooses to pursue next.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11474432/premier-league-referee-bobby-madley-quits-due-to-personal-reasons
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: reflector on Fri 17 Aug 2018 08:46
Not my favourite by any means but I certainly wish him well for the future.  Unfortunately, the vague statement put out by PGMOL has helped fuel various rumours highllghted elsewhere on social media, which is unfortunate to say the least.  I guess the truth will come out eventually but surely it would have been better to have done this at the outset rather than let these stories run rife.  It should be fairly obvious by now that the PGMOL would do well to invest in some press/publicity resource as their handling of issues which attract media attention is, as always, woeful.  We may not like it but just to sit back and say as little as possible in this day and age is not helpful and simply allows the rumour mill to run out of control.   
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: edy on Fri 17 Aug 2018 16:22
An unexpected decision. I wish him every luck on his future.

I watched him live a few weeks back on a UCL qualifier and had a good performance. Pity.
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Fri 17 Aug 2018 21:05
What happens now Edy in terms of English UCL and UEL appointments. Given we only have two elite and one first group left, i guess Pawson, Taylor and Oliver are going to be extremely busy on European duties!

Can second group officials be senior AAR in champions league matches?
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: edy on Sat 18 Aug 2018 19:46
What happens now Edy in terms of English UCL and UEL appointments. Given we only have two elite and one first group left, i guess Pawson, Taylor and Oliver are going to be extremely busy on European duties!

Can second group officials be senior AAR in champions league matches?

I guess that UEFA will pay attention to such details. Taylor and Oliver will work CL group stage matches. I believe that they won't appoint them together on the same matchday. Then we have Pawson. He will get EL matches. So Attwell and Tierney will be AAR's on many occasions.
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 21 Aug 2018 21:20
Interesting to note that England now has less FIFA officials than the nations of DR Congo, Cameroon and Saudi Arabia to name a few....

Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 21 Aug 2018 21:22
What happens now Edy in terms of English UCL and UEL appointments. Given we only have two elite and one first group left, i guess Pawson, Taylor and Oliver are going to be extremely busy on European duties!

Can second group officials be senior AAR in champions league matches?

I guess that UEFA will pay attention to such details. Taylor and Oliver will work CL group stage matches. I believe that they won't appoint them together on the same matchday. Then we have Pawson. He will get EL matches. So Attwell and Tierney will be AAR's on many occasions.

Would they go with a mixed team i.e. Using some Scottish officials to make up the numbers. I don't think the likes of Attwell and Tierney are experienced enough to take the middle of a CL game if Taylor or Oliver went over.
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: QuoCob on Thu 30 Aug 2018 08:30
I'll post the current speculation:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/08/29/referee-bobby-madley-forced-quit-mocking-disabled-man-snapchat/

If this is true, did he jump before he was pushed?
Either way, it appears harsh that he has had to do this for what on the surface, although sensitive, appears relatively trivial?
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: bmb on Thu 30 Aug 2018 10:13
I'll post the current speculation:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/08/29/referee-bobby-madley-forced-quit-mocking-disabled-man-snapchat/

If this is true, did he jump before he was pushed?
Either way, it appears harsh that he has had to do this for what on the surface, although sensitive, appears relatively trivial?

Trivial?  Tell that to everyone who is disabled. Good riddance to him.

I have removed part of comment from my post, not because I do not believe it to be 100% true, based on first hand experience, but because I don't want it picked up by the gutter press. I hate the press and don't want to give them anything they can use!
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: guest42 on Thu 30 Aug 2018 11:35
If this is indeed true - would the NFF touch him after the Edvartsen saga of last season?
Title: new rumour on bobby madley leaving pgmol
Post by: referee12 on Thu 30 Aug 2018 21:21
i have heard that the real reason madley left was that he did not leave he was sacked below is the news item courtesy of sky sports

Premier League referee Bobby Madley was sacked after sending an inappropriate message on social media featuring a picture of a disabled man, Sky Sports News understands.

It is understood the Snapchat message suggested the 32-year old would be able to win a race against the disabled man on a school sports day.

After the image was seen by the Professional Game Match Officials Limited, he was informed that his contract would be terminated.

It is understood Madley is presently relocating to Norway and, if selected, he will be able to continue working as a professional match official.

The Premier League have told Sky Sports News: "Bobby Madley is no longer employed by PGMOL.

"We understand he has decided to relocate due to a change in his personal circumstances."

Madley had officiated 91 matches in the Premier League since 2013 and also took charge of last season's Community Shield at Wembley.

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Title: Re: new rumour on bobby madley leaving pgmol
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Thu 30 Aug 2018 21:54
More than a rumour then?

I can understand that as a reason for Bobby's sudden departure from English football, rather more than just wanting to relocate to Norway or being fed up with criticism in the media.
Title: Re: new rumour on bobby madley leaving pgmol
Post by: guest42 on Fri 31 Aug 2018 01:03
As I said in the other thread - I can’t see the NFF touching him after the Edvartsen saga of last season
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: Mackem ref on Fri 31 Aug 2018 12:31
If the allegations are indeed true then his career in refereeing should be over in all countries. They had clearly invested a lot in him and he was destined for huge things, making it all the more stupid that he has thrown away his career!

I wonder what the PGMOL are going to do now? SG1 refs are already stretched to breaking point!
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: Hertsref123 on Fri 31 Aug 2018 14:43
Well I personally hope this means a promotion for Andy Madley, to take his brothers place, Don't know how he's not there already.
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: Vlad Vladadze on Fri 31 Aug 2018 18:31
Well I personally hope this means a promotion for Andy Madley, to take his brothers place, Don't know how he's not there already.

I sincerely hope he doesn't share his brother's sense of humor...
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: reflector on Fri 31 Aug 2018 18:39
I suppose the truth was bound to come out sooner or later. You just cannot understand how someone in his position could be so stupid as to throw away a promising career like he had, having done the really hard part in actually getting on to the Select Group and FIFA too.  I guess we all make mistakes but anyone with half a brain would surely know that these days comments like that are just not acceptable by anyone, let alone by those in the public eye.
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: bmb on Sat 01 Sep 2018 01:26
If one of you - I can't remember who or I'd pm you, notices your post missing that's my fault, new layout & I clicked the wrong "remove" when removing a post - they were at the bottom on the old forum not the top. There is no undo button for it either! Sorry
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: Hendo on Sat 01 Sep 2018 17:18
If one of you - I can't remember who or I'd pm you, notices your post missing that's my fault, new layout & I clicked the wrong "remove" when removing a post - they were at the bottom on the old forum not the top. There is no undo button for it either! Sorry

I think it’s my post about working with diabled folk and admiring their dignity in contrast to Madley’s crass and insensitive  comments. No offence taken bmb, honestly!
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: nemesis on Sat 01 Sep 2018 18:18
If one of you - I can't remember who or I'd pm you, notices your post missing that's my fault, new layout & I clicked the wrong "remove" when removing a post - they were at the bottom on the old forum not the top. There is no undo button for it either! Sorry

I think it’s my post about working with diabled folk

      ....... yes, it's the devil's own job.
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: The Man In Black on Sun 02 Sep 2018 10:55
Tends to confirm his decision making is aweful
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: Hendo on Sun 02 Sep 2018 12:15
Tends to confirm his decision making is aweful

Lol. Speling nevar woz mi stronng poyny 🤪
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 03 Sep 2018 19:52
Madley has evidently had his request to officiate in the MLS rejected by Grandad Walton.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/7155376/bobby-madley-referee-mls-snub/
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 03 Sep 2018 20:18
Madley has evidently had his request to officiate in the MLS rejected by Grandad Walton.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/7155376/bobby-madley-referee-mls-snub/

I don't think Peter Walton is involved with the MLS any more (hence his appearances on BT Sport back in the UK) - I think Howard Webb now oversees things over there.
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: Hendo on Mon 03 Sep 2018 22:32
Good. Decency prevails
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: rustyref on Mon 03 Sep 2018 23:14
I really wouldn't read too much into that Sun article.  It says he was fired by the PGMOL but is subject to a gagging order due to his pay off.  That isn't how it works, either he was fired for gross misconduct in which case he gets nothing, or he quite of his own accord with a pay off to go.  If the former there cannot be a gagging order, if the latter there can. 

It also says he recently split with his wife, when in reality they split two years ago.  They are, as the Sun tend to do, making it up as they go along.
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: bmb on Tue 04 Sep 2018 00:49
Madley has evidently had his request to officiate in the MLS rejected by Grandad Walton.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/7155376/bobby-madley-referee-mls-snub/

I know my geography isn't too good but I'm pretty sure the MLS is not in Norway!
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: bmb on Tue 04 Sep 2018 00:52
Madley has evidently had his request to officiate in the MLS rejected by Grandad Walton.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/7155376/bobby-madley-referee-mls-snub/

I don't think Peter Walton is involved with the MLS any more (hence his appearances on BT Sport back in the UK) - I think Howard Webb now oversees things over there.

That's certainly my understanding. I seem to remember he left Saudi Arabia to take over in the USA and Clatts took over from him in Saudi Arabia.
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: guest42 on Sun 25 Nov 2018 19:31
I notice that he’s now showing on the NFF system as being a registered referee with a club in Oslo. Which would suggest that the Norwegian FA are happy enough to have him doing games for them.
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: Hendo on Sun 25 Nov 2018 19:46
I notice that he’s now showing on the NFF system as being a registered referee with a club in Oslo. Which would suggest that the Norwegian FA are happy enough to have him doing games for them.

More fool them, that’s all I can say.
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: spk on Tue 27 Nov 2018 09:46
I can confirm that Bobby Madley is in Oslo and he has already had his first fall from cross country skiing.

He will start with friendlies during the winter and he will not start in our Premier League (Eliteserien). At the moment the plan is to have Madley ready for the start of next season, but there is not certain at which level he will start.

In this article from NRK which is slightly more trustworthy than The Sun, Madley confirms that there is a gagging order.

https://www.nrk.no/sport/tidligere-premier-league-dommer-bekrefter_-blir-dommer-i-norge-1.14304110
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: guest42 on Wed 28 Nov 2018 16:18
So are they parachuting him straight into the Eliteserien when he does start doing games - or will he be stuck on the Obos or Post Nord for a while?
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: nemesis on Wed 28 Nov 2018 18:24
Refereeing Odd would seem apposite!
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: spk on Thu 29 Nov 2018 09:42
So are they parachuting him straight into the Eliteserien when he does start doing games - or will he be stuck on the Obos or Post Nord for a while?

That remains to be seen. The signals from the FA is that he will not be on the list of Eliteserie referees coming out in early December.
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: spk on Tue 04 Dec 2018 17:39
Bobby Madley is not among the referees on the list for next seasons eliteserie, 1st div. or 2. div.
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: bmb on Tue 04 Dec 2018 17:52
I am glad they appear to be making him work his way up. It's only right, not only in respect of the refs there that have had to do so but it also gives him time to learn & understand the system there. All country leagues are very different and have their own unique peculiarities. Seems from that interview that he was expecting that to be the case and seemed grateful just to be refereeing there and willing to work his way up, assuming google translate was a reasonable reflection of the content of it!
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: spk on Tue 04 Dec 2018 18:19
Google translate did a decent job there bmb
Title: Re: Bobby Madley quits as a PL ref
Post by: Hadrian on Tue 04 Dec 2018 21:51
Anyone who has a spare hour, and the inclination to listen, may wish to look up the ‘Fotballklubben’ podcast from last week, which featured an hour long chat with Bobby (in English) and was a decent listen. Anyone who has seen him as a public speaker will know he is quite engaging and I think that comes across well here. But it backs up the assertion above from BMB that he indeed didn’t expect to be parachuted directly into the Eliteserien.