RateTheRef
General Refereeing => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hadrian on Wed 12 Jan 2022 14:58
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Not sure who the referee is but probably fair to say he hasn't had his finest hour. After awarding a penalty with the help of a VAR review for a handball earlier in the game, he has then proceeded to blow for full time with the clock on 85 minutes, then realised his mistake and restarted the game. He has then very harshly sent off a player for SFP (despite VAR taking him to the monitor to review - unheard of!) and finally has blown for full time AGAIN with the clock on 89:40, this time with the game not restarting. I think Tunisia will have something to say afterwards and there could be repercussions for this game and the referee.
EDIT: Apparently the referee was Janny Sikazwe of Zambia.
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If I am not mistaken Mr. Sikazwe is one of Africa’s most experienced referees I believe he was at WC2018 and is a candidate for the upcoming WC. Edy and Mikael can correct me.
I watched it back and I really am not sure how this could have happened. I know it’s a huge error but I have to say I feel really bad for him. We’ve all made embarrassing mistakes but to have it happen on the biggest stage must be very hard to recover from. I wish him the very best but I would imagine this is the end of his tournament. Hopefully they look at the whole picture for WC selection.
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From the highlights and the commentary - I suspect he didn’t stop his watch for the cooling break about seven minutes prior to blowing up the first time. And it all went downhill from there.
Interesting Umbro kit they’re sporting in the game as well.
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Do you have any highlights of all?
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Eddie Hughes lives on!
Authorities ordered the game to be played to a conclusion but Tunisia declined to leave the dressing room and Mali were awarded the game (BBC).
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From the highlights and the commentary - I suspect he didn’t stop his watch for the cooling break about seven minutes prior to blowing up the first time. And it all went downhill from there.
Interesting Umbro kit they’re sporting in the game as well.
Does the match clock stop for a water break? If it does, the maths would seem to make sense.
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From the highlights and the commentary - I suspect he didn’t stop his watch for the cooling break about seven minutes prior to blowing up the first time. And it all went downhill from there.
Interesting Umbro kit they’re sporting in the game as well.
A much more charitable take than I’ve seen elsewhere and sounds very plausible
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The second paragraph of the article below makes interesting reading but I make no comment. I hasten to add the recently added final paragraph is not from me!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janny_Sikazwe
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcIHGDhvEWc
Unless my eyes are deceiving me it looks like the 4O pushes/shoves a member of the Tunisian bench at 0:55
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If I am not mistaken Mr. Sikazwe is one of Africa’s most experienced referees I believe he was at WC2018 and is a candidate for the upcoming WC. Edy and Mikael can correct me.
Indeed he is.
However, his career practically ended after this match.
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Yh
If I am not mistaken Mr. Sikazwe is one of Africa’s most experienced referees I believe he was at WC2018 and is a candidate for the upcoming WC. Edy and Mikael can correct me.
Indeed he is.
However, his career practically ended after this match.
Agreed. Poor from him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcIHGDhvEWc
Unless my eyes are deceiving me it looks like the 4O pushes/shoves a member of the Tunisian bench at 0:55
He does indeed. Naughty man.
Red card apparently was nowhere near a red, anyone seen it to be able to comment
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Yh If I am not mistaken Mr. Sikazwe is one of Africa’s most experienced referees I believe he was at WC2018 and is a candidate for the upcoming WC. Edy and Mikael can correct me.
Indeed he is.
However, his career practically ended after this match.
Agreed. Poor from him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcIHGDhvEWc
Unless my eyes are deceiving me it looks like the 4O pushes/shoves a member of the Tunisian bench at 0:55
Red card apparently was nowhere near a red, anyone seen it to be able to comment
He catches the opponent on the shin with studs so red is definitely supportable, falls under the soft category though.
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The ref has been suspended before over corruption allegations - no idea as to the outcome of those but as he was no longer suspended the assumption is he was cleared of them.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/caf-suspend-zambian-referee-janny-sikazwe-over-corruption/yzejc79g7mp31mgglcdm89xlr
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If I am not mistaken Mr. Sikazwe is one of Africa’s most experienced referees I believe he was at WC2018 and is a candidate for the upcoming WC. Edy and Mikael can correct me.
I watched it back and I really am not sure how this could have happened. I know it’s a huge error but I have to say I feel really bad for him. We’ve all made embarrassing mistakes but to have it happen on the biggest stage must be very hard to recover from. I wish him the very best but I would imagine this is the end of his tournament. Hopefully they look at the whole picture for WC selection.
Seeing the reaction I think I was very naïve in thinking that he could be selected for the WC after such an error. If it is a genuine mistake, which we have no reason to doubt at the moment and I think must assume is the case, I do feel very sorry for him, as it seems the mistake will end his career in most peoples opinion.
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One thing it does show for me is the immense pressure on FIFA level referees and exactly how fragile their career can be. 1 error, even if simple genuine human error, can end their career in a split second - that is a huge pressure to live under every single game.
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Interesting that the fourth official took over for the last few minutes - would love to know what conversations happened there. Can't ever remember a referee being removed mid-match due to performance before.
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Interesting that the fourth official took over for the last few minutes - would love to know what conversations happened there. Can't ever remember a referee being removed mid-match due to performance before.
He didn't. He was due to take over for the final few mins & any TAO but as one of the teams refused to come back out that never actually got played. Interesting though that he was due to do it, had it happened. I agree I can never remember a referee 'substituted' due to performance.
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I think it's very unlikely he'll go to the World Cup now. He has lost a lot of credibility and you can imagine the reaction if he was involved in a controversy - 'that's the guy who blew for full time after 85 and 89 minutes? Why's he refereeing at the World Cup?' I'm not sure FIFA would want to take that risk.
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One thing it does show for me is the immense pressure on FIFA level referees and exactly how fragile their career can be. 1 error, even if simple genuine human error, can end their career in a split second - that is a huge pressure to live under every single game.
Agree to an extent, but the ability to tell the time on your watch is fairly basic. I will always try to find reasons why referees might have made howlers, but there simply aren't any here.
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I think it's very unlikely he'll go to the World Cup now. He has lost a lot of credibility and you can imagine the reaction if he was involved in a controversy - 'that's the guy who blew for full time after 85 and 89 minutes? Why's he refereeing at the World Cup?' I'm not sure FIFA would want to take that risk.
Referees have been kicked off the FIFA list for smaller and more 'understandable' errors. Unfortunately - whether rightly or wrongly - that will be the end of his international career.
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4 officials and a televised competition - all officials have watches, so even if they had left them running, they should have an idea of how long had actually been played.
Worst case surely the 4th official helps out his referee by discretely chatting to TV director/person near dug outs to find out what is being televised at that time.
After the shambles then comes very poor behaviour on the part of the 4th official and most of the losing team's coaching staff. One team official approaching the match referee and asking him to seek confirmation would have been better.
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One thing it does show for me is the immense pressure on FIFA level referees and exactly how fragile their career can be. 1 error, even if simple genuine human error, can end their career in a split second - that is a huge pressure to live under every single game.
Agree to an extent, but the ability to tell the time on your watch is fairly basic. I will always try to find reasons why referees might have made howlers, but there simply aren't any here.
Agreed, although I am sure that any of us who have refereed a decent number of games will have messed up the time-keeping at some point. I certainly have although I find it hard to see how you can play too little time.
What baffles me is how these problems occur when all the officials are miked up, including the VAR. Surely someone ought to have been able to prevent this from happening.
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Various reports now saying the referee was suffering heat stroke and was taken to the hospital after this game - this was why the 4O was taking over for the restart that subsequently didn't happen.
Sad if true, but surprised that no other match official or tournament officials picked it up at the time and were able to swap him out without the associated controversy.
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If the referee was suffering from genuine heatstroke rather than diplomatic heatstroke ( rather cynical I know, I must have been watching too much broadcasting from the House of Commons ! ) then that really does raise important questions about the protocols for a referee's welfare when officiating in very extreme conditions. It does take a bit of believing though when all officials are miked up to each other and presumably are communicating with each other constantly for one of the referee's colleagues not to notice something was wrong and then act upon it.
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Various reports now saying the referee was suffering heat stroke and was taken to the hospital after this game - this was why the 4O was taking over for the restart that subsequently didn't happen.
Sad if true, but surprised that no other match official or tournament officials picked it up at the time and were able to swap him out without the associated controversy.
Surprised Boris didn't try that one. It was a warm day back then.
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If the referee was suffering from genuine heatstroke rather than diplomatic heatstroke ( rather cynical I know, I must have been watching too much broadcasting from the House of Commons ! ) then that really does raise important questions about the protocols for a referee's welfare when officiating in very extreme conditions. It does take a bit of believing though when all officials are miked up to each other and presumably are communicating with each other constantly for one of the referee's colleagues not to notice something was wrong and then act upon it.
I have to say I did not think he looked well after the final whistle (I know, I know - which one!) I assumed it was just because of the stress of the situation.
Assuming he is unwell though then I can kind of understand if he has gotten confused the other officials not knowing what to do. It could have been subtle and hard to detect over the comms system and they could have been uncertain and not want to stop the game. Maybe he was saying he was fine over the comms after the first incident. For all we know they could have been encouraging him to stop but he could've pushed back against it - who knows. I think it is easy now to say the FO or ARs should have intervened but this would have been a huge action to take. When is the last time at an international tournament have we seen a FO or AR stop the game and substitute the referee off? If they were wrong the embarrassment and consequences would be huge so I can see why they wouldn't intervene. I am not saying it is right and I don't disagree with you Whistleblower - just that I think under the pressure, uncertainty and huge gravity of the situation I think its very understandable.
Anyway - if it is the case that the referee has suffered from a medical issue I sincerely hope that his international career is not over.
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If indeed he did suffer from sunstroke (and like Whiustleblower I tend to view that with a degree os scepticism) then it would be unwise to send him to Qatar - but then, it always seemed unwise to send anyone to Qatar.
Would it have helped to have been wearing a shirt with a collar, worn Roger Quittenton style, to protect the back of his neck?
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If indeed he did suffer from sunstroke (and like Whiustleblower I tend to view that with a degree os scepticism) then it would be unwise to send him to Qatar - but then, it always seemed unwise to send anyone to Qatar.
Would it have helped to have been wearing a shirt with a collar, worn Roger Quittenton style, to protect the back of his neck?
Quite. Wild horses wouldn't drag me to Qatar.
An upturned collar is a most sensible and practical precaution.
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Various reports now saying the referee was suffering heat stroke and was taken to the hospital after this game - this was why the 4O was taking over for the restart that subsequently didn't happen.
Sad if true, but surprised that no other match official or tournament officials picked it up at the time and were able to swap him out without the associated controversy.
Surprised Boris didn't try that one. It was a warm day back then.
" Honestly Ms Gray, I thought it was a mirage " . Well it has more credence than some of his other lame duck excuses.
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Perhaps worth revisiting this to say that the referee for this game Sikazwe has been selected as one of the 36 referees for the World Cup.