Post by: Microscopist on Tue 13 Nov 2018 15:55
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/are-male-referees-too-lenient-with-female-footballers-6h6mf0t9h
Post by: bmb on Tue 13 Nov 2018 17:10
Might get away with it in the U6's league, but...
Post by: RCG on Tue 13 Nov 2018 19:56
Post by: bmb on Tue 13 Nov 2018 21:21
Post by: rustyref on Tue 13 Nov 2018 22:11
Post by: flipmode on Tue 13 Nov 2018 22:42
Post by: Beancounter on Wed 14 Nov 2018 07:43
Post by: RCG on Wed 14 Nov 2018 08:28
Unfortunately given it was such a high profile game he was never going to come out unscathed. I take the point made earlier though - would he have 'forgotten' on a NLN game?
Timely reminder to all of us, check your equipment before you go out
Post by: TVOS on Wed 14 Nov 2018 08:33
I never seem to agree with the dross either Neville spouts, but Phil is spot on with his assessment of the refereeing in the womens game, imo. Having been involved in it myself a number of years ago, the major factor for me was a shockingly large number of the male officials not taking the game serious enough.
Dross? Presumably the fact they played for United is purely coincidental.
Gary Neville is one of the best pundits around and by and large speaks a lot of sense, although his being taken apart by Accrington’s chairman was quite funny.
Phil Neville, by and large, is a terrible pundit who can’t articulate properly.
Post by: guest18 on Wed 14 Nov 2018 08:50
Everyone on that disciplinary panel should be the real ones charged with "not acting in the best interests of the game."
Absolutely spot on
Post by: QuoCob on Wed 14 Nov 2018 09:48
"I've left my coin in the changing room and we haven't time to retrieve it because of the TV schedule"
One of the skipper's: "Don't worry we'll 'ching in' for it"
Other Skipper "OK, that'll be different (with a smile) but lets do it"
Ends and kick off decided, the aim is achieved.
How did this get to a 21 day suspension?
Or have I missed something?
Post by: BabyRef on Wed 14 Nov 2018 09:59
Post by: Toprefm on Wed 14 Nov 2018 10:06
How that equates to a players violent conduct charge beggars belief.
Post by: Scally Bob on Wed 14 Nov 2018 10:09
Post by: Ref Watcher on Wed 14 Nov 2018 10:10
Incidentally at a game I lined earlier this season the referee used a plain plastic disc which was a different colour on each side to toss. Since this was most certainly not a coin presumably he should also be banned.
Post by: Scally Bob on Wed 14 Nov 2018 10:22
Apart from teams wanting to stop Liverpool attacking the Kop in the second half or strong wind or low sun affecting things most captains just stay “as we are” anyway.
Post by: Toprefm on Wed 14 Nov 2018 10:35
Post by: Whistleblower on Wed 14 Nov 2018 14:23
Post by: Soccer Ref on Wed 14 Nov 2018 15:04
Post by: Ref Watcher on Wed 14 Nov 2018 16:54
Law does not say that a coin is a non-negotiable part of a Referee’s equipment and many officials use discs of various descriptions to determine which way the winner decides to play.The Law on Referee's Equipment doesn't mention a coin but Law 8 states:
the team that wins the toss of a coin decides which goal it will attack in the first half
Post by: Boz on Wed 14 Nov 2018 19:27
Post by: ajb95 on Wed 14 Nov 2018 20:22
Post by: Hendo on Wed 14 Nov 2018 20:52
Another ridiculous, bordering on disgusting, decision from an ever increasingly out of touch elitist minority who couldn’t give a toss about football outside the professional game!Sitting on the fence eh ajb? 😝
Joking apart, agree with you 100%. Pathetic
Post by: george dixon on Wed 14 Nov 2018 21:45
I'd probably be disciplined nowadays and made to undertake 'healthy lifestyle' training :)
Post by: QuoCob on Wed 14 Nov 2018 21:56
Post by: RCG on Wed 14 Nov 2018 22:14
Post by: BabyRef on Wed 14 Nov 2018 23:41
Post by: Whistleblower on Thu 15 Nov 2018 06:49
For goodness sake, what is the matter with the FA? Presumably by the severity of the sanction they believe Mr McNamara has brought the game into disrepute. Well, judging by some of the shenannigans that the FA has allowed on its watch, they have a very distorted view of what makes for disrespect.
Post by: Whistleblower on Thu 15 Nov 2018 06:51
Post by: refump on Thu 15 Nov 2018 08:27
Post by: ajb95 on Thu 15 Nov 2018 10:53
Another ridiculous, bordering on disgusting, decision from an ever increasingly out of touch elitist minority who couldn’t give a toss about football outside the professional game!Sitting on the fence eh ajb? 😝
Joking apart, agree with you 100%. Pathetic
Finally...! Something we agree on. Took a while! 😉👏😃
Post by: Whistleblower on Thu 15 Nov 2018 11:00
Post by: JohnCoyle on Thu 15 Nov 2018 11:35
It is in the Laws, and it does specify a coin.
Kick off
PROCEDURE
the team that wins the toss of a coin decides which goal it will attack in the first half
their opponents take the kick-off
the team that wins the toss takes the kick-off to start the second half
However the punishment is out of all proportion to the "offence." A case where a slap on the wrist would have been totally appropriate.
Post by: Toprefm on Thu 15 Nov 2018 12:14
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46209447
Post by: bmb on Thu 15 Nov 2018 12:16
https://twitter.com/refsupportuk/status/1063031911910641664
Post by: guest4 on Thu 15 Nov 2018 12:29
Post by: TVOS on Thu 15 Nov 2018 12:48
In my opinion the person or persons who ordered this disgusting and outrageous sanction should indeed be severely sanctioned themselves. If this is correct the game is dead.
Do you not think it’s dead anyway? Take this payment to Scudamore, for example.
Post by: Bakis on Thu 15 Nov 2018 13:23
In a semi parallel context I recall a conductor at the Proms, I think it was Parvo Berglund in his Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra days, forgetting his baton and returning off stage to collect it amid huge laughter and applause.
As a National North watcher David McNamara seems to me to be one of the best around, I hope this doesn't damage any promotion prospects.
Post by: TVOS on Thu 15 Nov 2018 18:26
I agree that this is grossly out of proportion, but why wouldn't it have been possible to go back, or send someone back, to the dressing room to collect a coin?
In a semi parallel context I recall a conductor at the Proms, I think it was Parvo Berglund in his Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra days, forgetting his baton and returning off stage to collect it amid huge laughter and applause.
As a National North watcher David McNamara seems to me to be one of the best around, I hope this doesn't damage any promotion prospects.
Was he banned from the Proms for three years?
Post by: nemesis on Thu 15 Nov 2018 18:56
This has nothing do to with proportionality or slightly different precedents.
It is all to do with the FA promoting women's football. If it had happened in a male game there would have been no such action.
In the FA's blinkered eyes anything which could be thought to trivialise women's football is to be dealt with severely!
Post by: Whistleblower on Thu 15 Nov 2018 20:37
Post by: bmb on Thu 15 Nov 2018 21:26
Post by: QuoCob on Thu 15 Nov 2018 22:55
Post by: Readingfan on Thu 15 Nov 2018 22:57
Some refs planning on a rock, paper, scissors weekend in support of him: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46229096
I was going to suggest this as a suitable response - I hope some do do it.
Post by: yfc54 on Fri 16 Nov 2018 08:31
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Fri 16 Nov 2018 09:48
Post by: Microscopist on Fri 16 Nov 2018 17:00
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6397953/Ref-laughs-rock-paper-scissors-ban-hes-presented-coin.html
Post by: guest4 on Fri 16 Nov 2018 20:36
Post by: bmb on Fri 16 Nov 2018 21:07
Post by: reflector on Sat 17 Nov 2018 08:24
Post by: Hendo on Sat 17 Nov 2018 08:51
Another ridiculous, bordering on disgusting, decision from an ever increasingly out of touch elitist minority who couldn’t give a toss about football outside the professional game!Sitting on the fence eh ajb? 😝
Joking apart, agree with you 100%. Pathetic
Finally...! Something we agree on. Took a while! 😉👏😃
Is this the start of a beautiful friendship...!🤪
Post by: bmb on Sat 17 Nov 2018 21:10
Post by: rustyref on Sun 18 Nov 2018 00:02
I suspect this won't end well for the referee. It was all well and good for Ryan Hampson getting their help as he was a level 7 just starting out, a level 2B going down the same route could well be killing his refereeing career.
Post by: bmb on Sun 18 Nov 2018 01:43
Post by: rustyref on Sun 18 Nov 2018 11:05
Post by: RCG on Sun 18 Nov 2018 12:20
Post by: guest4 on Sun 18 Nov 2018 18:39
I wouldn't put too much weight on that article. They are making a right mess of the appeal, making grand statements on Facebook about big news and then just announcing that the referee has told them he will be appealing.If that were to be the case then the FA would not be acting honestly I don’t think they would do that . I think that currently they cannot fathom a way out of an appallingly incompetant decision and save face . It’s a balls up !
I suspect this won't end well for the referee. It was all well and good for Ryan Hampson getting their help as he was a level 7 just starting out, a level 2B going down the same route could well be killing his refereeing career.
Post by: Ref Watcher on Mon 19 Nov 2018 13:47
Post by: guest4 on Mon 19 Nov 2018 17:33
If you are going to appeal an FA decision that you have not acted in the best interests of the game I would venture to suggest that publicly accepting a commemorative coin is not the best decision he has ever made.Maybe , but the FA are the ones who have handled this appallingly they are in no position to question anyone’s P.R
They could have nipped this in the bud quickly and overturned this stupid decision gaining some much needed kudos in the process. Instead they have been pig headed and definitely not acted in the games bst interests .