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General Refereeing => I Spy Old Refs! => Topic started by: John Treleven on Wed 29 Sep 2021 20:54
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Can anyone help with any of these?
1937 Line A. Billington (Blackpool)
1986 Line A. Gallagher (Dublin)
1957 Line A. McKenzie (Coatbridge)
1905 Line A. Robertson (Belfast)
1931 Line A. Ure (Blackpool)
1963 Line A. Walker (Belfast)
1927 Ref A.B. Williamson (Glasgow)
1928 Ref A.B. Williamson (Glasgow)
1936 Line A.B. Williamson (Glasgow)
1971 Line A.M. McEwan (Glasgow)
1976 Line A.M. McEwan (Glasgow)
1967 Line A.S. McNair (Glasgow)
1898 Line Andrews (Dundee)
1907 Line Brock (Belfast)
1899 Line C. McShane (Belfast)
1971 Line C. O'Leary (Dublin)
1995 Line C. Prentice (N.Ireland)
1908 Line C. Smith (Kilmarnock)
1960 Line D. Barnes (Glasgow)
1943 Line D. Blair (Dublin)
1969 Line D. Henderson (Wishaw)
1953 Line D. Kyle (Glasgow)
1955 Line D. Kyle (Glasgow)
1960 Line D. Kyle (Glasgow)
1961 Line D. Kyle (Glasgow)
1935 Line D. McAllister (Belfast)
1924 Line D. McMeekin (Newry)
1949 Line D. Stevenson (Glasgow)
1976 Line D.A. Grant (Edinburgh)
1954 Line D.H. Graham (Lisburn)
1935 Line D.J. McAllister (Belfast)
1901 Line D.R. Montgomery (Glasgow)
1963 Line D.W. Copp (Hemel Hempstead, Herts)
1903 Line Dawson (Belfast)
1949 Ref E. Boland (Dublin)
1951 Line E. Boland (Dublin)
1953 Line E. Boland (Dublin)
1958 Line E. Cleary (Limerick)
1962 Line E. Harkin (Glasgow)
1949 Line E. Mason
1949 Line E. Whelan (Dublin)
1949 Line F.S. Crossley (Motherwell)
1956 Line G. Boland (Dublin)
1956 Line G. O'Leary (Dublin)
1957 Line G. Pickard (Dublin)
1969 Line G.D. McIntyre (Glasgow)
1950 Ref G.H. Moore (Belfast)
1919 Ref G.W. Hamilton (Motherwell)
1958 Ref H. Brown (Belfast)
1961 Line H. Brown (Belfast)
1961 Line H. Brown (Belfast)
1962 Line H. Brown (Belfast)
1966 Line H. Dempsey (Croy)
1948 Ref H. Malone (Dublin)
1951 Line H. Malone (Dublin)
1911 Line H. McAlinden (Belfast)
1954 Line H. Taylor (Salford, Manchester)
1910 Line H. Thompson (Southern League)
1958 Line H. Wallace (Belfast)
1965 Line H.B. McNicol (Clydebank)
1908 Line H.McCloy (Belfast)
1956 Line I. Larkin (Dublin)
1956 Line J. Bruce (Newcastle)
1929 Line J. Cummings (Belfast)
1950 Line J. Davidson (Belfast)
1952 Ref J. Davidson (Newtonards)
1953 Line J. Davidson (Newtonards)
1953 Ref J. Davidson (Newtonards)
1961 Line J. Dearie (East Kilbride)
1943 Line J. Ferguson (Belfast)
1949 Line J. Garnett (Dublin)
1962 Line J. Hall (Crewe)
1931 Ref J. Hudson (Glasgow)
1897 Line J. Johnson (Belfast)
1956 Ref J. Larkin (Dublin)
1899 Line J. McFarlane (Glasgow)
1950 Line J. McGrath (Waterford)
1900 Line J. McInerney (Belfast)
1938 Line J. McKeown (Belfast)
1957 Line J. McNiven (Stonehouse)
1954 Line J. Mullen (Dublin)
1957 Line J. O'Donnell (Limerick)
1958 Line J. O'Donnell (Limerick)
1951 Line J. Pickering (Motherwell)
1957 Ref J. Russell (Belfast)
1961 Line J. Russell (Belfast)
1964 Line J. Russell (Belfast)
1964 Line J. Russell (Belfast)
1955 Line J. Rutherford (Glasgow)
1956 Line J. Scully (Dublin)
1959 Line J. Scully (Dublin)
1956 Line J. Somers (Dublin)
1962 Ref J. Stewart (Paisley)
1938 Line J. Ward (Altrincham)
1953 Line J.A. Paterson (Glasgow)
1951 Line J.B. Johnstone (East Kilbride)
1958 Line J.C. Ferguson (Barnton)
1962 Line J.C. Mitchell (Paisley)
1963 Line J.C. Mitchell (Paisley)
1961 Line J.D. Workman (Glasgow)
1969 Line J.D. Workman (Glasgow)
1969 Line J.D. Workman (Glasgow)
1965 Line J.H. Hayes (Kikintilloch)
1925 Line J.H. Walsh (Portadown)
1930 Line J.J. Conroy (Dublin)
1913 Line J.J. Doyle (Belfast)
1958 Line J.L. Brown (Glasgow)
1962 Line J.R. Grant (Glasgow)
1963 Line J.R. Grant (Glasgow)
1951 Ref J.S. Cox (Rutherglen, Glasgow)
1951 Ref J.S. Cox (Rutherglen, Glasgow)
1958 Line J.S. Watson (Glasgow)
1911 Line J.T. Gibb (Belfast)
1958 Line J.W. Fulton (Belfast)
1958 Line J.W. Fulton (Belfast)
1910 Line J.W. Harris (Football League)
1958 Line J.W. Paterson (Grangemouth)
1950 Line Jackson (Dundalk)
1953 Ref M. Byrne (Dublin)
1954 Line M. Byrne (Dublin)
1954 Ref M. Byrne (Dublin)
1955 Line M. Byrne (Dublin)
1955 Ref M. Byrne (Dublin)
1954 Line M. Graham (Paisley)
1995 Line M. Ross (N.Ireland)
1949 Ref M.E. Boland (Dublin)
1951 Ref M.E. Boland (Dublin)
1953 Line M.E. Boland (Dublin)
1898 Line Melville (Belfast)
1986 Line P. Cahill (Dublin)
1944 Line P. Finnegan (Dublin)
1967 Ref P. Kiely (Limerick)
1949 Line P. O'Keane (Wishaw)
1951 Line P. O'Keane (Wishaw)
1970 Line P.J. McGuire (Glasgow)
1961 Line R. Gordon (Glasgow)
1961 Line R. Gordon (Glasgow)
1929 Line R. Innes (Glasgow)
1894 Ref R. Irvine (Belfast)
1894 Ref R. Irvine (Belfast)
1930 Line R. Morrison (Falkirk)
1951 Line R. Taylor (Bearsden)
1954 Line R. Taylor (Bearsden)
1971 Line R.C. Johnston (Strathaven)
1948 Ref R.G. "Bert" Benzie (Irvine)
1956 Line R.G. Arbuthnot (Belfast)
1959 Line R.G. Arbuthnot (Belfast)
1950 Ref R.J. Fehily (Cork)
1953 Line R.J. Quail (Belfast)
1951 Line R.S.Major McDermott (Army)
1959 Line R.V. Buckley (Cork)
1949 Line R.W. Jeffrey (Glasgow)
1937 Line S. Hall (Portadown)
1947 Line S. McKitttrick (Belfast)
1909 Line S. Mortimer (Drumcondra)
1898 Line Sgt. J. Haywood (Belfast)
1913 Ref Sgt. Major Vick (Glasgow)
1962 Line T . Kellock (Glasgow)
1961 Line T .R. Thomson (Glasgow)
1944 Line T. Butler (Dublin)
1946 Ref T. Butler (Dublin)
1941 Ref T. Dwyer (Dublin)
1953 Line T. Mullen (Dublin)
1954 Line T. Mullen (Dublin)
1934 Line T. Pendleton (Belfast)
1936 Line T. Pentland (Belfast)
1923 Line T. Rodgers (Prescot, Lancashire)
1952 Line T. Ryan (Dublin)
1954 Line T. Ryan (Dublin)
1954 Ref T. Ryan (Dublin)
1955 Line T. Ryan (Dublin)
1967 Line T.R. Thomson (Glagsow)
1957 Line T.R. Thomson (Glasgow)
1958 Line T.R. Thomson (Glasgow)
1959 Line T.R. Thomson (Glasgow)
1965 Line T.R. Thomson (Glasgow)
1970 Line T.R. Thomson (Glasgow)
1978 Line T.T. Gilbert (East Kilbride)
1943 Ref W. Behan (Dublin)
1944 Ref W. Behan (Dublin)
1957 Line W. Blackwell (Glasgow)
1933 Line W. Booth (Preston)
1960 Line W. Dunlop (Ballymoney)
1957 Ref W. Harvie (Dalry)
1948 Ref W. Keane (Limerick)
1927 Line W. Lowes (Whitley Bay)
1961 Line W. Morrison (Clydebank)
1949 Line W. O'Neill
1893 Line W. Potter (Belfast)
1965 Line W. Toward (Glasgow)
1956 Line W. Truelock (Dublin)
1955 Ref W. Waldron (Dublin)
1953 Line W. Williams (Belfast)
1958 Line W.F. Guild (Glasgow)
1959 Line W.F. Guild (Glasgow)
1966 Line W.F. Guild (Glasgow)
1973 Line W.H. Quinn (Stewarton)
1931 Line W.R. Boyd (Belfast)
1961 Line W.S. Black (Glasgow)
1955 Line W/O. F. Gordon (Army, Ballymena)
1956 Line W/O. F. Gordon (Army, Ballymena)
1957 Line W/O. F. Gordon (Army, Ballymena)
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Some of your Scottish 1960's can be found here
https://ratetheref.createaforum.com/i-spy-old-refs!/missing-forenames-for-scottish-linesmen-officiating-english-clubs-in-europe/msg23542/#msg23542
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H.Dempsey was frequently called Hughie in the Sunday Post,but not 100% sure.....
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I assumed this was Harry Dempsey, briefly a Scottish League referee, who came from Bishopbriggs, a stop or two along from Croy.
A.McKenzie suggests the FIFA referee Alistair, who started in Coatbridge, subsequently moving to Larbert.
Ronnie Gordon also made the referees' list, as did Tom Kellock, by then of East Kilbride.
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Updated and now sorted by country and date
ENGLAND
1910 Line H. Thompson (Southern League)
1910 Line J.W. Harris (Football League)
1954 Line H. Taylor (Salford, Manchester)
1956 Line J. Bruce (Newcastle)
1962 Line J. Hall (Crewe)
SCOTLAND
1898 Line Andrews (Dundee)
1899 Line J. McFarlane (Glasgow)
1901 Line D.R. Montgomery (Glasgow)
1908 Line C. Smith (Kilmarnock)
1913 Ref Sgt. Major Vick (Glasgow)
1919 Ref G.W. Hamilton (Motherwell)
1927 Ref A.B. Williamson (Glasgow)
1928 Ref A.B. Williamson (Glasgow)
1929 Line R. Innes (Glasgow)
1930 Line R. Morrison (Falkirk)
1931 Ref J. Hudson (Glasgow)
1936 Line A.B. Williamson (Glasgow)
1948 Ref R.G. "Bert" Benzie (Irvine)
1949 Line D. Stevenson (Glasgow)
1949 Line F.S. Crossley (Motherwell)
1949 Line P. O'Keane (Wishaw)
1949 Line R.W. Jeffrey (Glasgow)
1951 Line J. Pickering (Motherwell)
1951 Line J.B. Johnstone (East Kilbride)
1951 Ref J.S. Cox (Rutherglen, Glasgow)
1951 Ref J.S. Cox (Rutherglen, Glasgow)
1951 Line P. O'Keane (Wishaw)
1951 Line R. Taylor (Bearsden)
1953 Line D. Kyle (Glasgow)
1953 Line J.A. Paterson (Glasgow)
1954 Line M. Graham (Paisley)
1954 Line R. Taylor (Bearsden)
1955 Line D. Kyle (Glasgow)
1955 Line J. Rutherford (Glasgow)
1957 Line T.R. Thomson (Glasgow)
1957 Line W. Blackwell (Glasgow)
1957 Ref W. Harvie (Dalry)
1958 Line J.C. Ferguson (Barnton)
1958 Line J.L. Brown (Glasgow)
1958 Line J.S. Watson (Glasgow)
1958 Line J.W. Paterson (Grangemouth)
1958 Line T.R. Thomson (Glasgow)
1958 Line W.F. Guild (Glasgow)
1959 Line T.R. Thomson (Glasgow)
1959 Line W.F. Guild (Glasgow)
1960 Line D. Barnes (Glasgow)
1960 Line D. Kyle (Glasgow)
1961 Line D. Kyle (Glasgow)
1961 Line J.D. Workman (Glasgow)
1961 Line T.R. Thomson (Glasgow)
1961 Line W.S. Black (Glasgow)
1962 Line E. Harkin (Glasgow)
1962 Ref J. Stewart (Paisley)
1962 Line J.R. Grant (Glasgow)
1963 Line J.R. Grant (Glasgow)
1965 Line H.B. McNicol (Clydebank)
1965 Line J.H. Hayes (Kikintilloch)
1965 Line T.R. Thomson (Glasgow)
1966 Line W.F. Guild (Glasgow)
1967 Line A.S. McNair (Glasgow)
1967 Line T.R. Thomson (Glasgow)
1969 Line D. Henderson (Wishaw)
1969 Line G.D. McIntyre (Glasgow)
1969 Line J.D. Workman (Glasgow)
1969 Line J.D. Workman (Glasgow)
1970 Line P.J. McGuire (Glasgow)
1970 Line T.R. Thomson (Glasgow)
1971 Line A.M. McEwan (Glasgow)
1971 Line R.C. Johnston (Strathaven)
1976 Line A.M. McEwan (Glasgow)
1976 Line D.A. Grant (Edinburgh)
1978 Line T.T. Gilbert (East Kilbride)
IRELAND
1893 Line W. Potter (Belfast)
1894 Ref R. Irvine (Belfast)
1894 Ref R. Irvine (Belfast)
1897 Line J. Johnson (Belfast)
1898 Line Melville (Belfast)
1898 Line Sgt. J. Haywood (Belfast)
1899 Line C. McShane (Belfast)
1900 Line J. McInerney (Belfast)
1903 Line Dawson (Belfast)
1905 Line A. Robertson (Belfast)
1907 Line Brock (Belfast)
1908 Line H.McCloy (Belfast)
1909 Line S. Mortimer (Drumcondra)
1911 Line H. McAlinden (Belfast)
1911 Line J.T. Gibb (Belfast)
1913 Line J.J. Doyle (Belfast)
1924 Line D. McMeekin (Newry)
1925 Line J.H. Walsh (Portadown)
1929 Line J. Cummings (Belfast)
1930 Line J.J. Conroy (Dublin)
1931 Line W.R. Boyd (Belfast)
1934 Line T. Pendleton (Belfast)
1935 Line D. McAllister (Belfast)
1935 Line D.J. McAllister (Belfast)
1936 Line T. Pentland (Belfast)
1937 Line S. Hall (Portadown)
1938 Line J. McKeown (Belfast)
1941 Ref T. Dwyer (Dublin)
1943 Line D. Blair (Dublin)
1943 Line J. Ferguson (Belfast)
1943 Ref W. Behan (Dublin)
1944 Line P. Finnegan (Dublin)
1944 Line T. Butler (Dublin)
1944 Ref W. Behan (Dublin)
1946 Ref T. Butler (Dublin)
1947 Line S. McKitttrick (Belfast)
1948 Ref H. Malone (Dublin)
1948 Ref W. Keane (Limerick)
1949 Ref E. Boland (Dublin)
1949 Line E. Mason (Dublin)
1949 Line E. Whelan (Dublin)
1949 Line J. Garnett (Dublin)
1949 Ref M.E. Boland (Dublin)
1950 Ref G.H. Moore (Belfast)
1950 Line J. Davidson (Belfast)
1950 Line J. McGrath (Waterford)
1950 Line Jackson (Dundalk)
1950 Ref R.J. Fehily (Cork)
1951 Line E. Boland (Dublin)
1951 Line H. Malone (Dublin)
1951 Ref M.E. Boland (Dublin)
1951 Line R.S.Major McDermott (Army)
1952 Ref J. Davidson (Newtonards)
1952 Line T. Ryan (Dublin)
1953 Line E. Boland (Dublin)
1953 Line J. Davidson (Newtonards)
1953 Ref J. Davidson (Newtonards)
1953 Ref M. Byrne (Dublin)
1953 Line M.E. Boland (Dublin)
1953 Line R.J. Quail (Belfast)
1953 Line T. Mullen (Dublin)
1953 Line W. Williams (Belfast)
1954 Line D.H. Graham (Lisburn)
1954 Line J. Mullen (Dublin)
1954 Line M. Byrne (Dublin)
1954 Ref M. Byrne (Dublin)
1954 Line T. Mullen (Dublin)
1954 Line T. Ryan (Dublin)
1954 Ref T. Ryan (Dublin)
1955 Line M. Byrne (Dublin)
1955 Ref M. Byrne (Dublin)
1955 Line T. Ryan (Dublin)
1955 Ref W. Waldron (Dublin)
1955 Line W/O. F. Gordon (Army, Ballymena)
1956 Line G. Boland (Dublin)
1956 Line G. O'Leary (Dublin)
1956 Line I. Larkin (Dublin)
1956 Ref J. Larkin (Dublin)
1956 Line J. Scully (Dublin)
1956 Line J. Somers (Dublin)
1956 Line R.G. Arbuthnot (Belfast)
1956 Line W. Truelock (Dublin)
1956 Line W/O. F. Gordon (Army, Ballymena)
1957 Line G. Pickard (Dublin)
1957 Line J. O'Donnell (Limerick)
1957 Ref J. Russell (Belfast)
1957 Line W/O. F. Gordon (Army, Ballymena)
1958 Line E. Cleary (Limerick)
1958 Ref H. Brown (Belfast)
1958 Line H. Wallace (Belfast)
1958 Line J. O'Donnell (Limerick)
1958 Line J.W. Fulton (Belfast)
1958 Line J.W. Fulton (Belfast)
1959 Line J. Scully (Dublin)
1959 Line R.G. Arbuthnot (Belfast)
1959 Line R.V. Buckley (Cork)
1960 Line W. Dunlop (Ballymoney)
1961 Line H. Brown (Belfast)
1961 Line H. Brown (Belfast)
1961 Line J. Russell (Belfast)
1962 Line H. Brown (Belfast)
1963 Line A. Walker (Belfast)
1964 Line J. Russell (Belfast)
1964 Line J. Russell (Belfast)
1967 Ref P. Kiely (Limerick)
1971 Line C. O'Leary (Dublin)
1986 Line A. Gallagher (Dublin)
1986 Line P. Cahill (Dublin)
1995 Line C. Prentice (N.Ireland)
1995 Line M. Ross (N.Ireland)
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If memory serves me right, the John Gordon affair came to light when linesman Rollo Kyle's dad, who I think was said to have been a referee himself, happened to mention to a footballing acquaintance how generous the gifts had been. Rollo Kyle (first name Thomas) was born in 1940. In 1937, one Donald McPhail Kyle married a Catherine C M Rollo, both events being in Glasgow, though in different registration districts. Could this be the D Kyle that appears several times?
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JR Grant was presumably the SFL referee,(whom I once saw at Forfar) whose demotion led to threats of strike action by referees in the 70s.If I remember aright, he had a stay of execution, but did not last long thereafter. He was by then based in Larbert. Records show a John Rennie Grant died in Larbert aged 75 in 2010 - and his birth was in Kelvingrove, Glasgow. This may be a coincidence, of course, as the combination of forenames John R and surname Grant is not that uncommon, but it would appear to be a very possible match.
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Partick v Aberdeen 3rd Feb 1982
Players wore black armbands
In memory of former referee Donald Kyle
John R. Grant of Larbert
Many references 1966-75
but nothing earlier of him at any other town/city
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I assumed this was Harry Dempsey, briefly a Scottish League referee, who came from Bishopbriggs, a stop or two along from Croy.
A.McKenzie suggests the FIFA referee Alistair, who started in Coatbridge, subsequently moving to Larbert.
Ronnie Gordon also made the referees' list, as did Tom Kellock, by then of East Kilbride.
Is that the same Harry Dempsey who subsequently relocated to the Manchester area, maybe Stockport, and became a FL linesman ? If so, he was later than that. I encountered him after his relocation but whilst he was still an active official, and that was in 1984.
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Harry Dempsey was a tax inspector in Glasgow whose last match in Scotland was to referee Motherwell v Falkirk on 28th October 1972
His job took him to Chelmsford where he was listed as an F.L. linesman in 1973-74
He moved again, to Nottingham, where he is listed for 1980-81 & 1981-82
Possibly he then moved to Stockport and came off the F.L. list as he not named in 1983-84
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I did not know about the Manchester area, associating him with Nottinghamshire and, if he was the linesman in the 1979 Cup Final, Chelmsford. Henry Dempsey was born in Cumbernauld (close to Croy) in 1941, so the line appointment in 1966 would not have been impossible for a young official considered promising at that time.
I believe he died in 1999 in Nottingham.
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Henry "Harry" Dempsey, who died in Nottingham in Q1 1999, was born 26th May 1941 and was therefore only 57
He was on the line for the 1979 F.A. Cup Final two weeks before his 38th birthday
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Presumably Mr R.G. 'Bert' Benzie was Robert: Roberts often get called Bert in Scotland.
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Yes probably, I was looking for confirmation
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A Robert Goudie Benzie died in Irvine in 1971, aged 67.
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Thanks both, in the middle v Irish at Ibrox 1948
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Harry Dempsey was a tax inspector in Glasgow whose last match in Scotland was to referee Motherwell v Falkirk on 28th October 1972
His job took him to Chelmsford where he was listed as an F.L. linesman in 1973-74
He moved again, to Nottingham, where he is listed for 1980-81 & 1981-82
Possibly he then moved to Stockport and came off the F.L. list as he not named in 1983-84
This is all a very long time ago. However, I have a vague recollection of Harry Dempsey moving to Stockport to work for a firm of accountants that was run by a FL referee :-
https://www.accountancydaily.co/trevor-jones-driving-force
Or maybe he worked for that firm but remained resident in Nottingham ?
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With regards to D Kyle. I think this is Donald Kyle who I believe was a Grade 1 official and was on the line for the 1960 European Cup Final at Hampden when Jack Mowat was the referee.
Donald Kyle also became a Referee Supervisor (Mowat was the Chief Supervisor) and was a close friend of Jack Mowat. Rollo was, indeed, his son. What is supposed to have happened is that Kyle Snr mentioned, in passing, to Mowat about the gifts (suits, I think) that Gordon, Kyle and David Mc Cartney (the 2nd linesman) received from AC Milan. Mowat passed this onto either/both UEFA and the SFA who investigated.
Clive Thomas is quite disparaging about Mowat in his book and seems to suggest Mowat received 'gifts' as a referee observer for FIFA in a WC tie in either Iran or Saudi Arabia