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Title: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 24 May 2021 12:44
Time for your opinions on who has shined and who hasnít this season. Please make this about GAMES ONLY not VAR etc


1. Pawson
2. Tierney
3. Marriner
4. Attwell
5. Oliver
6. Taylor
7. Friend
8. Hooper
9. England
10. Bankes
11. Kavanagh
12. Dean
13. Atkinson
14. Madley
15. Coote
16. Moss
17. Jones
18. Scott
19. Mason
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Alex04 on Mon 24 May 2021 12:48
Attwell, Oliver and Pawson are top 3 for me.
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Whistleblower on Mon 24 May 2021 13:29
This is just from TV games and highlights so, with that caveat, I would say my top five ( in alphabetical not merit order ) are

Atkinson
Attwell
Oliver
Pawson
Tierney

with a very creditable mention to England making a fine debut.
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: GingerReferee on Mon 24 May 2021 13:30
Oliver easily above the rest

Atwell and Pawson as the next 2 for me
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Ref Fan on Mon 24 May 2021 13:43
Was thinking about this the other day and quite honestly was struggling. 

For me, there was no stand-out referees over the season because of a general lack of consistency.  However, there have been some outstanding performances in individual games.

Of those that don't normally figure near the top of our rankings, I felt Friend and Moss had a decent season overall. 

Of the FIFA referees, Taylor had some very good games earlier on in the season but fell away rather towards the end.  Oliver had a sticky patch part way through when he was travelling a lot, but has been good when I've seen him in the last 2 or 3 months. Pawson has probably been less variable and has looked a safe pair of hands. The same applies to Attwell and Tierney, but Kavanagh has been disappointing for me in a few games and not pressed on as I expected. 

Of the older group, it turned out a mixed season for Dean after doing well early on.  I can't recall much about Atkinson - did he do much wrong?  Marriner as you'd expect was steady and probably more consistent than many. Scott and Mason not very impressive overall though.

Of the newer SG1 referees, I think England and Hooper probably impressed me most but Bankes and Coote looked decent SG1 referees too in some of their matches.

I'm sitting on the fence somewhat but would tend to agree with the names in ajb's top 5.  Whether in the same order, I'm less sure!!
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Mon 24 May 2021 13:57
This is just from TV games and highlights so, with that caveat, I would say my top five ( in alphabetical not merit order ) are

Atkinson
Attwell
Oliver
Pawson
Tierney

with a very creditable mention to England making a fine debut.

I would agree with you Whistleblower and add Hooper who imo has proved his critics wrong in the PL games he's been allowed to referee.
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: sastley on Mon 24 May 2021 14:25
My list from watching most games on TV, nothing to do with VAR duties.
1. Oliver
2. Pawson
3. Marriner
4. Tierney
5. Atkinson
6. Taylor
7. Atwell
8. Dean
9. Moss
10. Friend
11. Madley
12. Hooper
13. Kavanagh
14. England
15. Scott
16. Bankes
17. Jones
18. Mason
19. Coote
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: DublinRef on Mon 24 May 2021 14:39
My top 5 -

1. Craig Pawson

Hasn't caused any major controversy this season and goes about his job with a very nice laid back style. I think he has pushed on slightly and now shows a little bit more authority and toughness in his performances. As well as his impressive 'soft skills' so to speak I think he is a very sharp decision maker who never shies away from a big call. Has had a fantastic season in my view.

2. Andre Marriner

Similar to Pawson in that he always stays in the background and I think he is the last referee even the most biased fans could claim wants to be the centre of attention. Isn't the fastest mover around the pitch but has a a great feel for the game. He seems to have total respect from the players and IMO deservedly so as he hasn't got a lot wrong this season.

3. Stuart Atwell

I don't think he is the super star it was once hoped he would be but I think he is a very solid, safe pair of hands. Has done some big games this season and in the main has done very well. It seems that he has gained a lot of confidence and grown to be a very good PL referee. Someone you now feel you could put on any game. 

4. Martin Atkinson

I don't really like Martin Atkinsons style and manner around the pitch but I have to say that I feel he has had a very solid season. I can't recall any big controversies regarding his performances and with his significant experience he is a safe bet for any big game.

5. Michael Oliver

Not his best season by a long way IMO however for me on talent alone he is the best in the PL so even when not operating at his highest level he will always be there or there about. His fantastic performance in the FA cup final showed what he is capable of and I think if he can cut out his habit of awarding soft, albeit supportable, penalties he has the chance to cement his place as England's number one on the international stage.

Honourable mentions to a few other referees -

Friend and Moss while perhaps not top level officials don't seem to have had too many controversies this terms. Dean had a very strong start and while one can't ignore the big controversies for me he remains a very competent PL official, probably 6/7 on my list. Taylor has been below his best but one can't deny he is a talented official. England has had a very very strong debut season and finally I am delighted that Simon Hooper too has performed very well and silenced his (many!) critics. I hope his good form is rewarded next season.
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Irishref1985 on Mon 24 May 2021 14:41
The top five for me

Oliver
Marriner
Dean
Atwell
Pawson

The bottom three for me 
Bankes
Coote
Mason

Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: dave26 on Mon 24 May 2021 15:02
For me I would go for the top 5 in order

1. Stuart Attwell - he has really began to well and truly make his mark in the PL this season for me he seems stronger more confident also his decision making has improved so much  and has improved vastly in the areas where he needed to and he has been rewarded with some very good appointments and excelled

2 . Oliver - seems to be head and shoulders above the rest his positioning is his biggest strength , the accuracy of his decision making is unbelievable infact his all round game bar one aspect is very good the aspect I think he needs to improve on is when it comes to penalties

3 Andre Marriner - does exactly what he does best referees with minimum fuss and is one of the steadiest pairs of hands rarely has any controversial moments

4 . Simon Hopper - a vastly under used referee who has had probably his best season in the PL so far heís been good improved but doesnít get the number or run of games that his performances have warranted I have placed hooper above Atkinson because whilst he doesnít get many PL games itís no fault of his own but his improvement in my eyes means he deserves 4th place in my list

5. Martin Atkinson -  I like Atkinsonís style and apart from Oliver and Taylor , Mike Riley seems to favour Martin Atkinson and itís not hard to see why he uses all his experience and maintains excellent fitness and has a good rapport with players but is not afraid to give players a stern glance if it is deserved

The bad news

Chris Kavanagh - I really donít know where or why it has gone so wrong for Kavanagh this season but he really has been a shadow of the referee that has graced us with some fantastic refereeing performances last season rather than build on he seems to have gone backwards
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Ref Fan on Mon 24 May 2021 15:40
I appreciate the detailed analysis of DublinRef and dave26.  Agree with much of it. 4 out of 5 names the same albeit in a different order, and dave26 has Hooper in for Pawson.

ajb95 has Tierney in for Atkinson which was my initial thought, while admitting Atkinson had fallen below my radar for some reason.

Of course, all this depends on how many games we watched in full, or in part, or just saw the highlights. 

So coming off the fence, I'll settle for: -
Pawson
Attwell
Oliver
Marriner
Tierney
with apologies to Atkinson for not taking enough notice!
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: bmb on Mon 24 May 2021 16:18
As I have watched the sum total of zero PL games this season I'm not in a position to answer but going on bmb favouritism alone...

1. Marriner
2. Pawson
3. Attwell
4. Hooper
5. Oliver
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 24 May 2021 16:39
The reason Atkinson is so far down on my list is not because of his overall performances - solid if unspectacular . IMO the refs above him have had better seasons
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Critics on Mon 24 May 2021 17:34
I donít watch many (maybe one fourth of the season?) but here is top 3 and bottom 3 imo.
TOP 3: Craig Pawson, Paul Tierney, Michael Oliver
Pawson had a decent season, maybe his best so far in PL. He took great full control of his games and barely made mistakes. I was looking forward to his breakthrough in Europe this season but it didnít happen. What a shame. I think he at least deserves some CL group stage games or a EL knockout stage game.
Tierney also had a wonderful season with great performance in almost every game. His calmness and the way he try to manage a game did impress me a lot. Itís a shame that he could not continue to be on the pitch after a halftime injury, sincerely hope that he can make a strong comeback next season.
After the fa cup final, I decide to put Oliver in my top 3 since he managed to ref a vital and also pretty tough final. His determination to award penalties, very few of which had been overturned by VAR, also impressed me.
Other refs like Andre Marriner, Stuart Attwell, Kevin Friend, Martin Atkinson and Simon Hooper are all well done and should be praised.
BOTTOM 3: Lee Mason, David Coote, Chris Kavanagh
Everyone knows what happened to Mason so Iím not going to comment any more. I just want to appreciate his contribution in PL for 15 years and wish him good luck in his new role as dedicated var.
Coote disappointed me many times this season. Very inconsistent in fouls and often gave random calls on YCs. Ive seen his good games and bad games but bad ones impressed me more especially FULvsBUR. So unfortunately he would be one of my bottom 3.
As for oneís capability and on-field performance, Kavanagh may not be the bottom 3, but he is mine. I feel so sorry for that but for a ref with fifa badge in category 1 who should be ready for UCL, he totally failed to make good impressions this season. Almost in his every game I observed, he made one or several mistakes and sometimes big one. Just get to know he gets championship playoff final, maybe this time you wonít let us down, okay?😢
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Claretman on Mon 24 May 2021 18:29
Overall think it has been a tricky season to judge, what with games coming thick and fast in condensed season with virtually no turn round time from last to thus season, lots of travelling, different kick off times so we could watch all on tv ( good idea for us watching ), poor appointing ie games not more evenly spread.

Here goes,

1) Oliver
2) Marriner
3) Dean
4) Tierney
5) Taylor

At the lower end Mason, Scott, Kavanagh, Jones and Coote.

Think Kavanagh is just a blip and i am sure Jones will progress in time.
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Whistleblower on Mon 24 May 2021 22:39
As I have watched the sum total of zero PL games this season I'm not in a position to answer but going on bmb favouritism alone...

1. Marriner
2. Pawson
3. Attwell
4. Hooper
5. Oliver


It's as accurate as any other method I suspect. It's pretty much all subjective assessments .
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Charlieboy on Tue 25 May 2021 14:29
Top 3
Mariner
Oliver
Attwell


Bottom 3
Coote
Mason
Kavanagh
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Welshexref on Tue 25 May 2021 15:14
For my two-pennyworth:

1. Oliver      I think he's been a cut above the rest this season

2. Marriner   Always liked his 'no fuss' style and he doesn't get much wrong

3. Dean       Might have had the odd blip but consistently good as he has been for years.

Rob Jones hasn't come on as I thought he might but it's a big jump to SG1 and he wouldn't be the first to take a little time to adapt. A few more games might have helped!
England has done pretty well in his first season at the top table.
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 25 May 2021 16:34
I would have to say the most improved official has been Attwell.

Given the shambles of his tutelage under the Lord Elleray, he has made steady progress forward and can probably be very happy with his season.

Certainly not the finished article, but time is in his side. 
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: GameDay2021 on Wed 26 May 2021 14:52
I'll divide mine up into 3 categories:

Excellent, Meh and Disappointing

Excellent: mostly solid but as they are only human 1 or 2 mistakes along the way

Meh: could have been better and I expected better but not too shabby
But may not be their own fault

Disappointing: just Disappointing

Excellent
Oliver
Friend
Moss
Attwell
Pawson
Marriner

Meh
Atkinson
Taylor
Dean
Tierney
Bankes
Madley
Scott
Hooper
England
Coote

Disappointing
Kavanagh
Mason
Jones


BREAKDOWN

Excellent: All had a good season: Oliver and Marriner consistently good, Attwell and Pawson were excellent on their day but got fewer chances than I would've liked(Pawson lost time due to COVID and Attwell was forgotten from March onwards nearly!) Friend and Moss had a few horrors but were better than all those below them

Meh: Atkinson because of COVID, Taylor is currently in a very very rough patch, Dean because of his horror week in February and general simple mistakes now and again, Tierney for a below average cup final and more simple mistakes and his 2 injuries, all of the rest just didn't get enough chances to prove themselves. Shootouts though to Hooper for his best season yet, Coote on moving up the ranks recently, Bankes on his FIFA badge and England on best rookie

Disappointing: I won't go into Mason. Kavanagh has just been generally woeful and then Jones got few chances and pre April made a lot of mistakes when given one

Ref of Season: Michael Oliver
Biggest Improvement: Stuart Attwell/ Simon Hooper
Best Rookie: Darren England
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Ref Fan on Tue 01 Jun 2021 15:19
I was curious to read Keith Hackett's view on our SG1 referees in response to one of his followers.  This presumably refers to the 20/21 season.

https://twitter.com/HACKETTREF

here is my top 5:
Michael Oliver
Martin Atkinson,
Mike Dean
Anthony Taylor
Stuart Attwell.


Nothing too controversial perhaps in the above.  His following observations however may raise a few eyebrows!

Moss-Hooper-Scott, Jones should be demoted
Mason will be VAR only.
Marriner has lost his pace and ready for retirement.
England, Madley, Pawson need more Coaching


Mr Hackett was of course Head of PGMOL before Mike Riley. 


 
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: bmb on Tue 01 Jun 2021 15:39


Mr Hackett was of course Head of PGMOL before Mike Riley. 


 


He is now a very sad bitter old man who will say anything to try and keep himself relevant.  He stopped being relevant to referees many years ago & instead became a laughing stock.  The vast majority of those lapping up his tweets are ref hating football fans who seem to love him, the only exception being some other bitter ex match officials who have an axe to grind with Riley, which says it all. I used to have a huge amount of respect for him but stopped reading his trash many years ago.

Anyway Andre has never had pace, he's always been too chilled to have pace!
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Whistleblower on Tue 01 Jun 2021 15:42
I was curious to read Keith Hackett's view on our SG1 referees in response to one of his followers.  This presumably refers to the 20/21 season.

https://twitter.com/HACKETTREF

here is my top 5:
Michael Oliver
Martin Atkinson,
Mike Dean
Anthony Taylor
Stuart Attwell.


Nothing too controversial perhaps in the above.  His following observations however may raise a few eyebrows!

Moss-Hooper-Scott, Jones should be demoted
Mason will be VAR only.
Marriner has lost his pace and ready for retirement.
England, Madley, Pawson need more Coaching


Mr Hackett was of course Head of PGMOL before Mike Riley.


Well, they are Hackett's opinions and I for one set little store by them even if he once held the position as Head of PGMOL. Ludicrous to say Jones should be demoted when he hasn't had the chance to properly prove himself at this level. Marriner lost his pace?? He never had any did he ? Still an extremely fine referee.  And as for Moss being demoted. Hackett really is a "voice crying in the wilderness " here. I have more chance of Boris Johnson ennobling me and putting me in his Cabinet than of Moss being demoted by the present regime. For the avoidance of any doubt, an offer, both the ennoblement and the Cabinet position I would never dream of accepting.
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Mackem ref on Tue 01 Jun 2021 15:50
For me, one referee who absolutely deserves a mention is Hooper. This is the first season he has looked comfortable at PL level and itís credit to him. Of all refs, he is also one who seems to enjoy being on the field and has developed what appears to be a good rapport with the players.

For me, ref of the season should be a toss up between Pawson and Attwell. Pawson has looked very comfortable this season (could the absence of crowds play a part?) and Attwell very much an improved official.

Oliver - decent enough season but many penalties given that, whilst not overturned by VAR, would certainly not have been given by VAR either!

Atkinson steady as per usual - shame about his absence for a few weeks but he is such a reliable performer. Friend was also steady this season. England definitely the newbie to settle best to PL life, Jones needs more opportunities to gain confidence (I remember he was appointed to Chelsea-Southampton as his first PL appointment this season before being replaced by Bankes for some reason - his season couldíve turned out totally differently if heíd been able to keep his appointment!)

Going forward from here, I do feel an increase in SG1 officials is needed - maybe promote 3 to replace Mason. If specialist VAR is the way forward, Iím sure many of the late 40s/early 50s refs will see this as a great opportunity to extend their career!
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: JCFC on Tue 01 Jun 2021 15:56
My memory fails me again: I have no recollection whatsoever of Mr Hackett's great pace.
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: GameDay2021 on Tue 01 Jun 2021 15:56
I was curious to read Keith Hackett's view on our SG1 referees in response to one of his followers.  This presumably refers to the 20/21 season.

https://twitter.com/HACKETTREF

here is my top 5:
Michael Oliver
Martin Atkinson,
Mike Dean
Anthony Taylor
Stuart Attwell.


Nothing too controversial perhaps in the above.  His following observations however may raise a few eyebrows!

Moss-Hooper-Scott, Jones should be demoted
Mason will be VAR only.
Marriner has lost his pace and ready for retirement.
England, Madley, Pawson need more Coaching


Mr Hackett was of course Head of PGMOL before Mike Riley.

Scott has improved. Moss will never be demoted as long as the present are still in charge. Hooper has been one of the highlights of the season In a good way. Jones came up in August and has had little or nothing games. This man hasn't a clue!

Marriner is a better ref than he ever was. Mike Dean was nowhere near a top 5 ref this season. Anthony Taylor has been poor more times than good.

This man needs to stop saying things to try keep himself relevant.
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Leggy on Tue 01 Jun 2021 16:26


Mr Hackett was of course Head of PGMOL before Mike Riley. 


 


He is now a very sad bitter old man who will say anything to try and keep himself relevant.  He stopped being relevant to referees many years ago & instead became a laughing stock.  The vast majority of those lapping up his tweets are ref hating football fans who seem to love him, the only exception being some other bitter ex match officials who have an axe to grind with Riley, which says it all. I used to have a huge amount of respect for him but stopped reading his trash many years ago.

Anyway Andre has never had pace, he's always been too chilled to have paced!


Pace is over-rated. 

An Assessor once said of me:  "For someone with no discernible sprint or change of pace, you do seem to manage to be able to be in roughly the right place at roughly the right time".  I think that comes under the heading of "damning with faint praise" !!
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Ref Fan on Tue 01 Jun 2021 16:32
I rather thought KH would draw some harsh words.

Personally, I find his views often inconsistent and contradictory.  I don't regard all he says as trash though and admit to occasionally catching up on his twitter a/c, as well as that of Mark Halsey.

In this instance, one could argue about the exact order, but his top 5, unlike some of the later comments, wasn't unreasonable, although I only had Oliver and Attwell in my own choice.

What follows though is bewildering. Moss to me had a decent season and Hooper very much improved.  I can't say I've been particularly impressed with Scott but I don't consider he's been bad enough to be demoted.  As for Jones, as others have said, how can you demote someone who's had little chance so far to prove himself?

Smiled when I read Hackett's opinion of Andre Marriner.  Again, a good season from someone who would be unlikely to win the 100m but is often in a good position to make decisions.  Usually a very safe pair of hands.

As for needing more coaching, Darren England looks to have real potential and Pawson was in my top 5 as he has noticeably developed over the last couple of seasons in my view.  I didn't really see enough of Andrew Madley.  He was ok from what I did see but comments on here suggest his performances were variable.

Perhaps I should stop reading Hackett's tweets and put the time to better use.
   

Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Whistleblower on Tue 01 Jun 2021 17:34
My memory fails me again: I have no recollection whatsoever of Mr Hackett's great pace.


In equine terms Hackett most often operated at a walk breaking in to the occasional trot. On one or two very rare occasions he may have attempted a canter though I doubt he ever found a gallop.  In non-equine terms, he mainly exhibited a plod.
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Whistleblower on Tue 01 Jun 2021 17:37


Mr Hackett was of course Head of PGMOL before Mike Riley. 


 


He is now a very sad bitter old man who will say anything to try and keep himself relevant.  He stopped being relevant to referees many years ago & instead became a laughing stock.  The vast majority of those lapping up his tweets are ref hating football fans who seem to love him, the only exception being some other bitter ex match officials who have an axe to grind with Riley, which says it all. I used to have a huge amount of respect for him but stopped reading his trash many years ago.

Anyway Andre has never had pace, he's always been too chilled to have paced!


Pace is over-rated. 

An Assessor once said of me:  "For someone with no discernible sprint or change of pace, you do seem to manage to be able to be in roughly the right place at roughly the right time".  I think that comes under the heading of "damning with faint praise" !!


Feinting with damn praise more like I would say.
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Leggy on Tue 01 Jun 2021 18:10
I rather thought KH would draw some harsh words.

Personally, I find his views often inconsistent and contradictory.  I don't regard all he says as trash though and admit to occasionally catching up on his twitter a/c, as well as that of Mark Halsey.

In this instance, one could argue about the exact order, but his top 5, unlike some of the later comments, wasn't unreasonable, although I only had Oliver and Attwell in my own choice.

What follows though is bewildering. Moss to me had a decent season and Hooper very much improved.  I can't say I've been particularly impressed with Scott but I don't consider he's been bad enough to be demoted.  As for Jones, as others have said, how can you demote someone who's had little chance so far to prove himself?

Smiled when I read Hackett's opinion of Andre Marriner.  Again, a good season from someone who would be unlikely to win the 100m but is often in a good position to make decisions.  Usually a very safe pair of hands.

As for needing more coaching, Darren England looks to have real potential and Pawson was in my top 5 as he has noticeably developed over the last couple of seasons in my view.  I didn't really see enough of Andrew Madley.  He was ok from what I did see but comments on here suggest his performances were variable.

Perhaps I should stop reading Hackett's tweets and put the time to better use.
 

Anyone who is not in need of "more coaching" is either:
1) Perfect (but see "2" below)
2) Deluded
3) Retired
4) Keith Hackett (but see "2" above)
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: TVOS on Tue 01 Jun 2021 19:50
It won't have made the headlines, as it was a Fourth Division match, but Hackett oversaw three of the biggest injustices I ever witnessed on a football pitch.

Saturday 28th December 1985, Stockport County v Rochdale. Both teams in the promotion hunt at the time.

Stockport had a forward called Barry Diamond, who was on loan from Rochdale. Quite why we allowed him to play is a mystery. Rumours abounded that he had been causing issues in our dressing room, hence him being loaned out.

Fifteen minutes into the game, Diamond ran into our captain, Joe Cooke (a fine 1970s/80s player for many clubs), and threw himself to the ground. The County fans were in uproar even though most of them must have been watching an attack unfold further up the field.

Now I know I could be accused of bias, but I like to think I'm pretty fair when it comes to matters about my team. I saw the whole incident as it happened and Cooke didn't do anything except be in the way.

The nearest linesman (who was Stephen Lodge) didn't wave his flag vigorously as often happens with incidents of this nature. Hackett was further up the field with the attack, but he went to speak to Lodge, before sending Cooke off the field.

Now Lodge might have seen something, but I'm sure he would have brought it to Hackett's attention much sooner than when he went over. It was always my view - and still is 36 years later - that Hackett went off the crowd reaction.

We didn't cope with 10 men and County deserved their 3-0 win. Two of their goals were penalties ..... after 'fouls' on Diamond!

I asked Hackett about this game on Twitter once, but he just said he couldn't remember it. I told him that was understandable after all these years, but that I had got a photographic memory of it if he wanted me to fill in the details. He didn't reply!

I often think about this game when he's slagging off other officials on Twitter! Maybe I'll mention it to him again...
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: bmb on Tue 01 Jun 2021 21:07

I asked Hackett about this game on Twitter once, but he just said he couldn't remember it. I told him that was understandable after all these years, but that I had got a photographic memory of it if he wanted me to fill in the details. He didn't reply!

I often think about this game when he's slagging off other officials on Twitter! Maybe I'll mention it to him again...

He never remembers these things. When you do point out mistakes he made or simply disagree with him he either ignores you (if you're lucky) or launches into his he alone was perfect, introduced every positive thing into refereeing since time began (he's even claimed VAR as his idea...), how rosy it was under his management, how strict it was in his day, etc and how dare some no name sunday league ref question the almighty FIFA ref who has never erred ever. It's one of the reasons I have no time for him or anything he says anymore. It's actually a shame to see really.
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: RCG on Tue 01 Jun 2021 22:30
And having sat in his "illustrious" presence it was the same vitriol from the podium.
Only good thing was it was usually one of the FAs training officers up next, who were always going to get a much better ride after Hackett's pronouncements. I remember Ray Olivier having to try and crack a funny just to break the mood (and those who know Ray, lovely guy that he is, would realise stand up comedy was not his vocation)
Kevin Lynch however did a very good impression of Hackett at a post dinner speech once, Keith's face was like a pitbul chewing on a nest of wasps
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: rustyref on Tue 01 Jun 2021 22:49
He is completely out of touch with modern refereeing.  When he refereed things were totally different in terms of the expectations of referees, and they are also vastly different from when he ran PGMOL.  Aside from anything else, just look at fitness levels, back in Hackett's days many referees can only really be described as overweight.  These days I see the likes of Moss, Mason and Hooper regularly "body shamed" for their appearance, but they are positively slim compared to many referees from 20 years ago.

On top of that, the expectation of how referees manage games has completely changes since Hackett was involved.  He just strikes me as a man bitter from his removal as head of PGMOL, someone who will look to criticise at any possible opportunity.
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Ashington46 on Tue 01 Jun 2021 23:07

I asked Hackett about this game on Twitter once, but he just said he couldn't remember it. I told him that was understandable after all these years, but that I had got a photographic memory of it if he wanted me to fill in the details. He didn't reply!

I often think about this game when he's slagging off other officials on Twitter! Maybe I'll mention it to him again...

He never remembers these things. When you do point out mistakes he made or simply disagree with him he either ignores you (if you're lucky) or launches into his he alone was perfect, introduced every positive thing into refereeing since time began (he's even claimed VAR as his idea...), how rosy it was under his management, how strict it was in his day, etc and how dare some no name sunday league ref question the almighty FIFA ref who has never erred ever. It's one of the reasons I have no time for him or anything he says anymore. It's actually a shame to see really.

Why do I keep thinking about the old saying "Tha' can allus tell a Yorkshireman but tha' can't tell 'im much" ----it must be the Lancastrian in my blood!
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: flipmode on Thu 03 Jun 2021 02:43
Going on the direction of the OP, and games alone, I don't actually think Chris Kavanagh has been anywhere near as bad as people on here are making out.

I think he's been very unfortunate in that he's been ill advised by numerous VAR's and has subsequently overturned his original decision. My gut feeling tells me that this could be a directive from above, given the small number of decisions we have seen not be overturned once the VAR monitor has been consulted? Just a hunch I have.

I'm not saying he's been the best on the SG this season, as I don't think that has been the case, but I also don't think he's been anywhere near the worst, or in the bottom 3 either.
His appointment to the PlayOff Final shows that he's had a decent season, merit wise?
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: bmb on Thu 03 Jun 2021 10:43
He is completely out of touch with modern refereeing. 

So much so that he is currently spouting off about the age of PL referees and saying FIFA enforce retirement at age 45. FIFA did away with the retirement age in December 2014!! He has so far ignored that minor fact being pointed out to him.
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: TVOS on Thu 03 Jun 2021 11:10
He is completely out of touch with modern refereeing. 

So much so that he is currently spouting off about the age of PL referees and saying FIFA enforce retirement at age 45. FIFA did away with the retirement age in December 2014!! He has so far ignored that minor fact being pointed out to him.

I've just read one tweet where he's criticising a referee for not sprinting enough....
Title: Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
Post by: Whistleblower on Thu 03 Jun 2021 13:37
He is completely out of touch with modern refereeing. 

So much so that he is currently spouting off about the age of PL referees and saying FIFA enforce retirement at age 45. FIFA did away with the retirement age in December 2014!! He has so far ignored that minor fact being pointed out to him.

I've just read one tweet where he's criticising a referee for not sprinting enough....


Hackett did for sprinting what Dame Margot Fonteyn did for industrial boiler making !