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General Refereeing => I Spy Old Refs! => Topic started by: ajb95 on Sat 22 May 2021 10:01

Title: British home championships 1950
Post by: ajb95 on Sat 22 May 2021 10:01
My Grandad attended these games in 1950 as qualifiers for the World Cup.

Matches:

NI 2-8 Scotland - referee R Mortimer (ENG)
Wales 1-4 England - referee John Mowatt (Sco)

Scotland 2-0 Wales - referee S K Law (ENG)
England 9-2 Ireland - referee Mervyn Griffiths (Wal)

Wales 0-0 Ireland - referee Reg Leafe (ENG)
Scotland 0-1 England - referee Reg Leafe (ENG)
Title: Re: British home championships 1950
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Sat 22 May 2021 11:36
Neutrality I see apart from the Scotland v England game. I wonder whether a Scottish ref ever got to referee the S v E game. I attended the England v Scotland game in 1961 with my dad in what was termed the 'Hapless Haffey' game, when Scotland goalie Frank Haffey picked the ball out of the net no less than nine times in a 3-9 loss. England scored a 10th but it was correctly disallowed for handball against Jimmie Greaves. I have a programme tucked away somewhere in the loft, but I do remember that the ref was a neutral Frenchman by the name of Du Bois. 
Title: Re: British home championships 1950
Post by: John Treleven on Sat 22 May 2021 12:04
I have a French referee for 1961 but it is Marcel Le Quesne, he had French lines too - A. Carette and Raymond Poncin
They wore red shirts with blue shorts and the match ball was lemon

Scottish refs controlled Scotland v England in Scotland 1872-1882, 1892 and lastly 1898 when Tom Robertson did it
Robertson was also the first south of border in 1907, another in 1913, Tom Dougray then did four in a row 1920-26,
with another Scot in 1928 and finally George Mitchell in 1951
Title: Re: British home championships 1950
Post by: Hendo on Sat 22 May 2021 13:01
I have a French referee for 1961 but it is Marcel Le Quesne, he had French lines too - A. Carette and Raymond Poncin
They wore red shirts with blue shorts and the match ball was lemon

Scottish refs controlled Scotland v England in Scotland 1872-1882, 1892 and lastly 1898 when Tom Robertson did it
Robertson was also the first south of border in 1907, others followed in 1913, Tom Dougray then did four in a row 1920-26,
with another Scot in 1928 and finally George Mitchell in 1951

Red, blue and lemon. Shouldn’t Mr Carette have been wearing orange? 😄
Title: Re: British home championships 1950
Post by: jad on Wed 26 May 2021 16:49
With the help of the footballfacts.ru web-site I have found the linesmen for some of these fixtures.  For two of the games the participating countries provided one linesman each, while for the other two both linesmen came from England (though I suppose Mr Mackay may have had Scottish roots)

England v N.Ireland: E. Plinston (Warrington) & J.A.A. Murphy (N.I.)

Wales v England: T.L. Davies (Ynyshir) & N.C. Taylor (Westbury)

Scotland v Wales: J.W. Bowers (Huddersfield) & P.F. Power (York)

Scotland v England: W.B. Everett (Beccles) & L.A.M. Mackay (Fulham)
Title: Re: British home championships 1950
Post by: John Treleven on Wed 26 May 2021 23:18
Referee for W v NI was Arthur Ellis (not Leafe) but linesmen not found, the last "All Ireland" team

Lines for NI v S were Norman Swindle (yes really) (NI) & W.G. Livingstone (SCO)